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Giant Bomb GoTY 2016- Agent 47, take out that Doom Marine
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Ghostmaster
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At least it's going to be a battle this time, just remember the dark days of 2014 "Well...I guess shadow of mordor is GOTY"
Refresh my memory -- why did Fallout 4 avoid the Most Disappointing Award? I assume it was buggy like any other Bethesda game, and it ran like crap on consoles.
I tend to feel like it gets off the hook because "Well we all knew Bethesda games are buggy anyway, and the PC port performs fine."
I tend to feel like it gets off the hook because "Well we all knew Bethesda games are buggy anyway, and the PC port performs fine."
ScottSullivan
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Overwatch is my personal #1, but I also loved doom, I wouldn't be mad if it won, just hoping overwatch can sneak into top 5 with some vinny reinhardt love
Doctor Decimate
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I wouldn't count Hitman in just yet because I think I remember Brad criticizing how it can devolve into a checklist for challenges and opportunities when someone brought up GOTY (I might be remembering the context incorrectly).
I'd bet on Doom personally.
I'd bet on Doom personally.
Death Metalist
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I'm getting ready for The Last Guardian getting cut away like it's fucking nothing. Shame that game came out so late.
e: I'd be happy if Doom, Titanfall 2, Hitman or Overwatch takes it for this year. All are pretty damn good games.
e: I'd be happy if Doom, Titanfall 2, Hitman or Overwatch takes it for this year. All are pretty damn good games.
Austin liked the base building I think.
jediyoshi
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Disappointment is contingent on expectations. I imagine a tossup on disappointment between Mario Run and Mario Maker 3DS. The latter could be less of a disappointment seeing as Nintendo wasn't coy about its missing features.
LurkerPrime
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IIRC, the argument defending Fallout 4 was essentially "no one makes games like this, ergo all of the problems in their games are not an issue." And by "games like this," they meant how it remembers where every item and actor is, which makes it this magical experience.
(Edit: MetroidPrimeRib has a better memory than me.)
It was a ridiculous defense.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
shit good point
It was like the ultimate Bethesda defense argument with people who can actually articulate
Brad and Austin argued that since Fallout 4 didn't improve on anything, it meant that those problems are completely endemic to Bethesda's games and unfixable
Jeff argued that maybe it was time to re-prioritize and find a way to fix these problems
Yep the disappointment discussions always turn into a discussion on what disappointment actually means.
You're right, that IS the Jeff Play. Dan is too 'dumb' to see through iut before it's too late, but if someone else does then Dan will jump on the OW train so fast over Titanfall and probably Doom imo. And he can get loud.
jediyoshi
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Are you saying that by virtue of that aspect not being important? If something like item placement suddenly became genericized, I imagine people would be more upset and less indifferent.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
That shit doesn't actually mean anything. It was cool 8 years ago but maybe come up with a gimmick that doesn't cripple your entire game, or maybe come up with an intuitive UI if you are going to make us carry 2,000 different pieces of junk, or maybe get rid of the inventory limit if we are incentivized to pick stuff up all the time and then sit through some loading screens to dump it into an infinite box and stop keeping the worst aspects of RPGs while removing all the other aspects
There are solutions to the problem but Bethesda shows NO interest on improving on any of them.
Glass Shark
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Really think Doom will be #1 and Hitman will be #2. From there on out it's kind of a crapshoot. Overwatch, The Witness, and Titanfall 2 will end up on the list, but not sure where. I can't think of what else has enough universal support that it will definitely make it. Stardew Valley, maybe?
I hope not. The Witness is my bummer of the year 100%.
The Brad Austin fallout defense would not have worked if it was only 1 of them. Also the fact is both especially Austin can debate the counter to "Bethesda games are all piece of shit on a tech level" problem unlike half of the Internet incredibly well.
Hearing the whole thing going while I thought was insane was actually magical. Award winning to be honest.
Hearing the whole thing going while I thought was insane was actually magical. Award winning to be honest.
I think that argument might hold weight if Fallout 4 was on PS3/360. But for the game to jump to new platforms with 10x the processing power and 10x the memory and still have the same problems is pretty ridiculous. It's not unreasonable to expect that the PS4/X1 might have made the game better.
I don't think anyone expected Mario Run to be great. Mario Maker 3DS seems like a fair choice, even though Nintendo did as much as they could to keep expectations in check.
Which was why I actually thouoght he was a detriment to the event. Same with Invisible Inc making it on the list. He's so good at the argument portion that he actively breaks the game. It's not even that his arguments are amazing, it's the conviction with which he makes them.
Brad will almost certainly not allow The Witness to come in higher than Hitman.
Sleeping Lesson
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Is Invisible Inc the only time a game made the list that only one person had played? Can't be, right?
The Witness is a massive wildcard here. Jeff and Brad both absolutely loved it (I don't remember the rest of the the crew's perspective on it), but naturally mention of the game has cooled since it came out early in the year, curious to see where it all shakes out in the end among popular picks like Hitman and Doom.
Dota 2? Technically Dan and Vinny played a little of Invisible Inc.
Dota 2? Technically Dan and Vinny played a little of Invisible Inc.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
EXACTLY. You would think with 8 years to meditate on what Bethesda's Fallout really means to them with New Vegas and Skyrim in between they would've come up with something but nope. In the context of releasing the same year as Witcher 3, it looks even worse.
Its not just that the jank, performance issues and general ugliness of their games didn't improve, its that literally only the actual shooting and combat was improved and everything else remained the same or got worse.
Think about what they added to Fallout 4, the big features - settlement building and the dialogue system. Both are terrible.
Death Metalist
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UK timings.
Looks like Drew is going to go first.
I hate that he was able to brute-force Invisible Inc onto the list. But yes, he's undeniably good at saying "Even if you didn't like this game, even if you didn't play this game, it is incredibly significant and deserves recognition because...."
At the same time though, I think his argument in favor of Fallout 4 was that he was able to build a basketball court and liked it.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Which I'll never understand. The U.I. is so terrible for that system and its never even explained or given a tutorial that well (like a lot of elements in that game weirdly enough?) that I can't see why anyone would engage with it. They never bother to give you a reason why you should build up stuff either. All the stuff you can do is completely superficial and just leads to more infinite quests that are vomited at you.
Its about as intuitive as you would expect from a Bethesda game.
On second thought Austin is an alright dude for these proceedings.
DOTA is probably the closest thing I can think of. No one else gave a shit about it but they just let Brad put it on the list anyway.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
One that serves no actual purpose. To the game world, a basketball court is just a bunch of items propped up together.
Death Metalist
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MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
This is Giantbomb's GOTY, and of which games dominated the conversation the most its between Hitman, Overwatch, Doom and Titanfall 2.
If it was the larger conversation about games in general, I think it'd be Overwatch no contest. I don't think there is another game that commanded the same amount of attention (and still does) this year
edit: ok no mans sky but even then I dont think so
LurkerPrime
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What if you could collect every item in a game and put it in the same spot and it hardlocked? Would that be a bug, or a feature?
These are the questions Bethesda is pushing us to answer.
I'm super curious to see where Hitman lands. I genuinely can't read what they think of it, outside of being positive towards it.
Probably doesn't help that I've watched maybe 5% of Hitman videos this year.
These are the questions Bethesda is pushing us to answer.
I'm super curious to see where Hitman lands. I genuinely can't read what they think of it, outside of being positive towards it.
Probably doesn't help that I've watched maybe 5% of Hitman videos this year.
Who talks about overwatch the most? Dan? It's top 10 probably at 5? With doom, tf2, hit man fighting the top 3 and maybe the witness sneaking up there at 4 if a good argument is made.
Yeah. I was listening to the bombcast with the GBE guys from late last year and he compares it to Animal Crossing. He made an arcade in his AC basement and it's what a cool looking arcade looks like in his head, so he liked being able to do something similar in F4. He said if there were a mechanical way to build the best base, he would be likely to do that, but that he liked placing windmills in specific ways so that he could see his settlements from way off, and appreciated the design freedom you're given.
But at the same time, I think everyone agreed that the interface for that mode is a disaster, so idk.
As far as invisible inc goes, I haven't played it still, but his argument made me interested to do so at some point. I feel like each guy has their dark horse game they try and get on there, but some are easily shot down. Like this year, it'll probably be Jason with God Eater. But Austin's an intelligent dude so if he says a game is great, it's probably from a safer place than if Dan said the same thing, because Dan says shit like Big Trouble in Little China being one of the best movies ever made.
I actually did this with New Vegas on 360. I collected every Sunset Sarsaparilla bottle I could find, full or empty, and carried them back to the room with the pool table in the Lucky 38. I had enough to eventually cover most of the pool table and the entire floor around it... maybe 2500 bottles or so, I'm not sure. But it got to the point that it would dip the framerate pretty hard, and eventually it got to where the 360 would hardlock and I'd have to unplug it.
I don't want to rock your world or anything but video games are all vapid and pointless and the only thing that matters is your experience.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
There was a time where Overwatch came up on every podcast for like two months
On the Beastcast Alex still talks about it at least once a week
See, now you're ready for the most disappointing game discussion!
I got a strong sense that nobody played or cared about Advanced Warfare, and it came in at #3 or #4.