broncobuster
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Yeah, Morrowind's world is better than BOTW but Zelda makes traversing the world fun. Although, Morrowind was back when Bethesda let players use spells and scrolls to break the world.
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Human Trashcan
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hot BOTW take: It's not that it does anything particularly differently, it's how it presents itself to the player, and how it puts agency back in the player's hands. It's remarkable just how much of a difference it feels like just to say "I'm gonna place that marker over there and then go to it" as opposed to looking at your map and saying "I'm gonna head to that marker the devs put there".
Also it's just a much, much better designed world than most. The sight lines are incredibly well thought-out, and letting the player go just about anywhere from the beginning is bold and makes the game feel more open than just about anything else.
Also it's much more emergent and systems-driven than most games of its kind. It's not wrong to say that it has more in common with Bethesda games than most open-world games. Both have lots of systems-driven interactions and let the player just kinda fuck about doing whatever they want.
Boiling it down to "well it's all been done before" is insanely reductive and also, like, yeah dude. Everything has been done before. It's all in presentation, execution, and combination.
It's got some problems though. There's not enough variety of things to actually discover (everything is a shrine or a korok seed) and there's a real lack of environmental variety in terms of how it actually feels to traverse places. Sure, there's visual variety, but it's all shades of mountainous regions. It could've used some more interesting structures like Hyrule Castle out in the world. It's got a shit reward structure too because finding weapons isn't that exciting and there isn't enough permanent gear to find. It's probably a bit too large for its own good considering the lack of variety.
Also it's just a much, much better designed world than most. The sight lines are incredibly well thought-out, and letting the player go just about anywhere from the beginning is bold and makes the game feel more open than just about anything else.
Also it's much more emergent and systems-driven than most games of its kind. It's not wrong to say that it has more in common with Bethesda games than most open-world games. Both have lots of systems-driven interactions and let the player just kinda fuck about doing whatever they want.
Boiling it down to "well it's all been done before" is insanely reductive and also, like, yeah dude. Everything has been done before. It's all in presentation, execution, and combination.
It's got some problems though. There's not enough variety of things to actually discover (everything is a shrine or a korok seed) and there's a real lack of environmental variety in terms of how it actually feels to traverse places. Sure, there's visual variety, but it's all shades of mountainous regions. It could've used some more interesting structures like Hyrule Castle out in the world. It's got a shit reward structure too because finding weapons isn't that exciting and there isn't enough permanent gear to find. It's probably a bit too large for its own good considering the lack of variety.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that "it's been done before so it's bad", I'm saying that if it's called a paradigm shift in open world design I need more of a justification for it.
I can see now what people were talking about with Nioh here. I'm at the end of the third region and I'm just fucking DONE. The gameplay loop is atrocious and all the bloated systems that people mistake for depth just make it so that the game folds in on itself the instant you get decent gear and skills (I fought the last boss of region 3 last night and I wouldn't be able to tell you much about it besides its appearance since it died in like 10 seconds and I got the No Hit title on it). And I never want to step foot in another damp, dark, and poorly lit Japanese temple/village/hole in the ground again after this
SocksAndShoes
Banned
I believe that they were making an Ecco game for the Saturn at one point but I don't think it was ever released.
There was however an Ecco game released for the Dreamcast, which might be what you're thinking of: Ecco The Dolphin: Defender Of The Future
"cowboys are dumb"
Twin Tails
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They decided to go easy on the new guy.
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Yeah I love the combat and gameplay, but at some point I'm just done with the lack of variety. Still love my time with it, but I tend to just stop when I feel done with a game and don't force myself to finish it.
It needed more to carry itself beyond the 30 or so hours I've played of it but I really enjoyed those 30 hours.
This shit is gotta stop, why do people care so much about what other people put on their food, it's silly and childish.
And for the record I love pineapple on pizza.
TurboButts
Member
I would play another Assassins Creed game if it just dropped you in an open world with a couple vague assassination quests and little other direction. I really only wanted to climb cooling looking things, enjoy the history and world, and have the ability to solve a few assassinations any way I want. Yet it has become more and more needlessly complex. I feel like open world games have been accumulating so much bullshit in their mission design and structure that I no longer have any desire or patience in engagaging with them. They've become open world in name only.
SolicitorPirate
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Their first open world game won them a billion GOTY awards and had the strongest launch in studio history.
It was just bad luck that the paradigm shifted after Inquisition released, and Andromeda was probably too far into development
Twin Tails
Member
Fuck pineapples 🍍
I don't actually care tho
Blitzrules240
Banned
Pineapple, Bacon, Pepperoni.
Thank me later 😉
Thank me later 😉
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
Pineapple, sardines, red onions, some fish sauce and tamarind.
Coming from SEA probably made me like pineapple on savoury food more than on sweets.
Coming from SEA probably made me like pineapple on savoury food more than on sweets.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
What's Majima's equivalent to "that's rad" again?
funkystudent
Member
Someone should edit this to include various GB video series that just randomly stopped one day never to return
SandwichMeat
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Karspankey
Banned
Karspankey
Banned
"Soliloqueue"
the saddest GB show
Antiwhippy
the holder of the trombone
I kinda liked the concept of solo queue but I'm not sure if it could be something extended beyond that one video.
OdysseusVA
Banned
The finest of #Premium #Content
Karspankey
Banned
acknowledge my sick pun you guys
please
please
Twin Tails
Member
That is UPF.
Karspankey
Banned
That's actually a pretty good idea
Blitzrules240
Banned
Death Metalist
Member
I like it, it's pretty dumb with a nice soundtrack. However, Jack Black's best film is either the Tenacious D film or Bernie. I find them both to be underrated, especially Bernie(it's his best performance).
e: School of Rock is great as well.
Blitzrules240
Banned
School of Rock is a classic.
BUT THE LEGEND OF THE RENT WAS WAY HARDCORE!
BUT THE LEGEND OF THE RENT WAS WAY HARDCORE!
I didn't realize Bernie was a Linklater film. I've always meant to check it out, but that just pushes it up my list a bit.
Berserking Guts
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Anyone remember this Street Fighter II: Players Guide VHS tape they gave away with NMS back in the early 90s in the UK? Shit just blew my mind since I owned this thing and haven't seen it since I was a kid lol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hXCz_50EY&t=1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8hXCz_50EY&t=1s
Death Metalist
Member
It's an incredible black comedy crime film. It's based on a true story and mixes documentary conventions with fictional elements. Some of the people are actors and some are the actual townspeople playing themselves.
Piston Hyundai
Member
Someone's been watching Game Informer's stuff
I'll never thank you.
Blitzrules240
Banned
Well then, Hate Me Now.
I tried Tekken 6 recently and didn't find anyone. I assume other Namco fighting games from last gen are more or less the same
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