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[kami_sama]

Spain's corrupt government is just bitter it can't get a slice of the pie (the pie being one filled with doubloons and cocaine).

Oh, come on. Our government might be corrupt, but this comment is out of place.

 

[not_so_special]

Because Portugal took it? But it's Spanish!


What?

what? have you read about the illegall practises of the gibraltar government? fiscal ones? smuggling ones?

btw the ones who shoot a spanish fishers are the gibraltar guys not the spanish police or military,spanish police cant catch smugglers because of this,(just some examples)

 

[not_so_special]

Spain's corrupt government is just bitter it can't get a slice of the pie (the pie being one filled with doubloons and cocaine).

do you know how britain got their honk kong colonies? its funny how britan gaffers think their "empire " was the good guy here xD

 

[Rourkey]

Is there any truth that Gibraltar is a problem for Spain because of smuggling or is it as I suspect just propaganda and tabloid bullshit?

Surely it would be easier to smuggle things into Spain direct than to smuggle stuff into a densely populated place like Gibraltar and then smuggle it again over the border?

 

[decaf]

what? have you read about the illegall practises of the gibraltar government? fiscal ones? smuggling ones?

btw the ones who shoot a spanish fishers are the gibraltar guys not the spanish police or military,spanish police cant catch smugglers because of this,(just some examples)

Citation needed.

(I've away for the last five years)

 

[Sylver]

what? have you read about the illegall practises of the gibraltar government? fiscal ones? smuggling ones?

btw the ones who shoot a spanish fishers are the gibraltar guys not the spanish police or military,spanish police cant catch smugglers because of this,(just some examples)

And sad thing is this fiscal practices affect to the UK economy too. There're more than 10000 business with the fiscal home there.

 

[not_so_special]

Is there any truth that Gibraltar is a problem for Spain because of smuggling or is it as I suspect just propaganda and tabloid bullshit?

Surely it would be easier to smuggle things into Spain direct than to smuggle stuff into a densely populated place like Gibraltar and then smuggle it again over the border?

its a real thing..not only that,they use their inexistent waters to illegally refuel ships,to be a pretty shady fiscal paradise,etc

we dont want gibraltar back,spanishs people ( just some nationalist idiots) dont give a shit,but at least the colony must play with the same rules of the EU

 

[Can Crusher]

Should it? Why's that?

Why? That is absurd. It has been English for years and years and years. The 'rightful owners' that people talk about are dead. Their children are dead. Their children's children are dead. The people of Gibraltar are, by and large, British and identify as such. Do you want to uproot these people because three hundred years ago it used to belong to Spain?

Gibraltans don't think so.

The problem with the Spanish position is that it's inflexible. The Spanish system can't accommodate the reality on the ground. Not with Gibraltar and not with its constituent nations (read Basque Country and Catalonia).

It's simple logic to me, have you went there? You don't need to spend much time there to see people smuggling and stealing. First time I went there I remember I had this funny feeling, something wasn't right. I saw four people being stolen, my friend's wallet got stolen and cops do fuck all about it. We talked to them, they almost laughed. Four steps inside and you see groups of people smuggling dozens and dozens of tobacco packs.

So considering British authorities are letting a piece of land that is "inside" Spanish territory run rampant with that kind of shit, I say it's time to end the party.

 

[The Bookerman]

The US should give back Puerto Rico and Alaska.

Alaska was sold, not taken.

 

[decaf]

I can't find anything detailing the nationalities of people trying to smuggle drugs through Gib to Spain (edit: found Spanish people so far). Regardless, there is both Spanish and Gibraltarian border control. Both are at fault if they're letting drugs go through.

I don't know anything about anyone getting shot, but I have heard plenty about Spanish fishermen fishing in Gibraltarian waters illegally.

 

[not_so_special]

I can't find anything detailing the nationalities of people trying to smuggle drugs through Gib to Spain (edit: found Spanish people so far). Regardless, there is both Spanish and Gibraltarian border control. Both are at fault if they're letting drugs go through.

im sure gibraltar press dont have any bias on this xD

 

[kami_sama]

I can't find anything detailing the nationalities of people trying to smuggle drugs through Gib to Spain. Regardless, there is both Spanish and Gibraltarian border control. Both are at fault if they're letting drugs go through.

I don't know anything about anyone getting shot, but I have heard plenty about Spanish fishermen fishing in Gibraltarian waters illegally.

The nationalities don't matter. The only thing that does is that the Gibraltar government does nothing to stop them. And sometimes helps them.

I found two articles from ten years ago. They're old, but thing shouldn't have changed much.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fears-grow-over-gibraltars-drugrunners-1389531.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/gibraltar-drug-chase-death-angers-spain-1304425.html

And about the fishermen, Gibraltar shouldn't have more than 3 miles of water, but they disobey it and go beyond those limits.

 

[decaf]

im sure gibraltar press dont have any bias on this xD

They don't. Show me anything detailing other nationalities smuggling drugs through.

 

[DJ_XMX]

View if you understand some spanish ... This is who we gona release against spanish armanda lolol

http://www.yourgibraltartv.com/ygtv...rtainment/4511-jul-18-gibraltar-s-fittest-man

http://www.yourgibraltartv.com/ygtv...rtainment/4706-gibraltar-s-fittest-man-part-2

 

[not_so_special]

The nationalities don't matter. The only thing that does is that the Gibraltar government does nothing to stop them. And sometimes helps them.

I found two articles from ten years ago. They're old, but thing shouldn't have changed much.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/fears-grow-over-gibraltars-drugrunners-1389531.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/gibraltar-drug-chase-death-angers-spain-1304425.html

drug smuggling...this brings me back memories http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_Wars

 

[Vlodril]

How does that make any sense? Most of the people in la linea (town that borders gibraltar) and various communities around here work at gib. What would they do?

 

[not_so_special]

They don't. Show me anything detailing other nationalities smuggling drugs through.

i live 100 kms near gib..i dont need any spanish or gibraltar press,its a well know fact,not only the smuggling (that its a minor one) the fiscal paradise is the big problem here

 

[decaf]

The only thing that does is that the Gibraltar government does nothing to stop them.

Surely it's the job of both Gibraltarian and Spanish customs to stop anything getting through? I can't find anything stating they're currently doing nothing to stop these drugs coming through.

And sometimes helps them.

???

 

[decaf]

i live 100 kms near gib..i dont need any spanish or gibraltar press,its a well know fact,not only the smuggling (that its a minor one) the fiscal paradise is the big problem here

Sound like you're describing the word "gossip," bro.

 

[Kurtofan]

Alaska was sold, not taken.

Were the sellers Inuits?

 

[Funky Papa]

How does that make any sense? Most of the people in la linea (town that borders gibraltar) and various communities around here work at gib. What would they do?

Hint: The Spanish government doesn't give a shit about the people in Cádiz unless it's useful for propaganda purposes (otherwise they wouldn't have a 40% unemployment rate), just as the UK doesn't give a flying fuck about Gibraltar unless it's useful to apply some pressure on the Spanish government (as evidenced by the fact that they were receptive to give back Gibraltar to Spain, until Franco fucked up).


Again, I would like to stress thar regardless of the popular opinion on Gibraltar, nobody in Spain is biting the provervial hook. This is a smoke courtain, and a pretty evident one at it.

Surely it's the job of both Gibraltarian and Spanish customs to stop anything getting through? I can't find anything stating they're currently doing nothing to stop these drugs coming through.


???

Whenever drug and tobacco smugglers are given chase by the Guardia Civil, they head to Gibraltar. The Guardia Civil's speedboats are then stopped by Gibraltar's authorities. It's pretty well known in the area that from the 70's to well into the 90's, Gibraltar actively escorted smugglers into safe waters. This is no longer the case, but the Gibraltar Navy will still stop Guardia Civil patrols from pursuing smugglers.

 

[Rourkey]

its a real thing..not only that,they use their inexistent waters to illegally refuel ships,to be a pretty shady fiscal paradise,etc

we dont want gibraltar back,spanishs people ( just some nationalist idiots) dont give a shit,but at least the colony must play with the same rules of the EU

illegally refuel ships, what does that mean?

because they have a different tax rate makes them illegal?

 

[decaf]

Hint: The Spanish government doesn't give a shit about the people in Cádiz unless it's useful for propaganda purposes (otherwise they wouldn't have a 40% unemployment rate), just as the UK doesn't give a flying fuck about Gibraltar unless it's useful to apply some pressure on the Spanish government (as evidenced by the fact that they were receptive to give back Gibraltar to Spain, until Franco fucked up).


Again, I would like to stress thar regardless of the popular opinion on Gibraltar, nobody in Spain is biting the provervial hook. This is a smoke courtain, and a pretty evident one at it.

Most sense I've heard ITT.

 

[decaf]

its a real thing..not only that,they use their inexistent waters to illegally refuel ships,to be a pretty shady fiscal paradise,etc

we dont want gibraltar back,spanishs people ( just some nationalist idiots) dont give a shit,but at least the colony must play with the same rules of the EU

Sour grapes does wonders for the imagination.

 

[Sylver]

because they have a different tax rate makes them illegal?

Bank secret and put your fiscal home where you do not develop you business is illegal plus create unloyal competitivity.

 

[not_so_special]

Sound like you're describing the word "gossip," bro.

i describe the word " im one of the risk their lives to catch these smugglers"

 

[not_so_special]

illegally refuel ships, what does that mean?

because they have a different tax rate makes them illegal?

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/sep/06/bay-of-gibraltar-shipping-pollution

 

[Rourkey]

Alaska was sold, not taken.

when has that mattered when a government want's to incite the populace to divert attention from their own failures?

 

[decaf]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/sep/06/bay-of-gibraltar-shipping-pollution

Nice try, but the Cepsa San Roque refinery by Gib has some of, if not the worst pollution in Europe.

 

[Choke on the Magic]

1713 is now 21st century?.

I think you're not getting what I mean.

 

[FStop7]

If Spain is so concerned about crime and smuggling they should start with Marbella.

But of course smuggling and crime aren't what this is about.

 

[Sylver]

If Spain is so concerned about crime and smuggling they should start with Marbella.

But of course smuggling and crime aren't what this is about.

Nearly all old Marbella's government is in prison or on the way to be there.

 

[Funky Papa]

If Spain is so concerned about crime and smuggling they should worry more about Marbella.

But of course smuggling and crime aren't what this is about.

Marbella is a tiny fraction of what it used to be, TBH. It also has the added benefit of not being a foreign territory capable of stopping the police on their tracks.

But you are right, this is not about crime and smuggling. It should be, but it isn't.

 

[dalin80]

its a real thing..not only that,they use their inexistent waters to illegally refuel ships,to be a pretty shady fiscal paradise,etc

The 3 mile water line was ratified by Spain and is valid under international law.

 

[Rourkey]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2011/sep/06/bay-of-gibraltar-shipping-pollution

doesn't appear illegal to me, if the practice of "bunkering" was so bad why haven't the EU banned it?

 

[Rourkey]

I worked in Marbella once and the taxi driver told me that all the local politicians go to Gibraltar "to fuck little boys", I still think there's a lot of disinformation in Spain about the Rock

 

[Funky Papa]

doesn't appear illegal to me, if the practice of "bunkering" was so bad why haven't the EU banned it?

A number of European nations have already banned it, including Spain. Last time I checked the EU was in the process of developing proper regulations as ship to ship transfers are a problem.

I worked in Marbella once and the taxi driver told me that all the local politicians go to Gibraltar "to fuck little boys", I still think there's a lot of disinformation in Spain about the Rock

Everybody knows that local politicians are corrupt as fuck, and one of the reasons they want to change the status quo is because it's widely understood that Gibraltar serves as a safe haven for all kinds of unsavoury people and businesses. Just to point an example, the current ruling party is being investigated for funding itself through kickbacks, and part of that money was routed to shell corporations in Gibraltar. Nearly every time there's a corruption scandal, Gibraltar and Andorra are present in some capacity.

 

[Rourkey]

A number of European nations have already banned it, including Spain. Last time I checked the EU was in the process of developing proper regulations as ship to ship transfers are a problem.


Everybody knows that local politicians are corrupt as fuck, and one of the reasons they want to change the status quo is because it's widely understood that Gibraltar serves as a safe haven for all kinds of unsavoury people and businesses. Just to point an example, the current ruling party is being investigated for funding itself through kickbacks, and part of that money was routed to shell corporations in Gibraltar. Nearly every time there's a corruption scandal, Gibraltar and Andorra are present in some capacity.

So Spanish politicians are found to be corrupt and it's Gibraltar's fault, got it

 

[Funky Papa]

So Spanish politicians are found to be corrupt and it's Gibraltar's fault, got it

Waaaaaay to miss the point.

 

[forknknife]

Oh god, why did you have to post this

 

[phaze]

Spain should just go ham on Gibraltar without even declaring war. Its not like British have great capability to answer. They will lodge diplomatic protest, make some noise and then they will deal with it.

 

[Funky Papa]

Spain should just go ham on Gibraltar without even declaring war. Its not like British have great capability to answer. They will lodge diplomatic protest, make some noise and then they will deal with it.

We have much better things to do. Actually, the public is largely uninterested in Gibraltar as far as territorial concerns go.

The notion of Spain launching an assault is ridiculous, but I assure you that it would only result in the complete collapse of the government. Nobody would support violent means to claim Gibraltar.

The attitude of the Spanish population towards Gibraltar is largely different to that of the Argentinian one towards the Falklands.

 

[not_so_special]

Sour grapes does wonders for the imagination.

ok,now its clear you are just trolling

Spain should just go ham on Gibraltar without even declaring war. Its not like British have great capability to answer. They will lodge diplomatic protest, make some noise and then they will deal with it.

we dont want gibraltar,we dont want any resemblance of armed conflict,we just want the government of gibraltar to play with the same rules of EU

 

[Instigator]

Gilbraltar GAF sounds like white Rhodesian GAF.

 

[Funky Papa]

Laying it thick, Insti.

 

[Kaworu]

The Gibraltarian authorities should comply with EU laws like anybody else. That's all.

 

[dalin80]

,we just want the government of gibraltar to play with the same rules of EU

The same rule set that states you cant deliberately slow down border crossing or charge for it?

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Funky as always the steady voice of reason when it comes to Spanish news and politics.

 

[Funky Papa]

The Gibraltarian authorities should comply with EU laws like anybody else. That's all.

For the most part, they do. The issue is the local government being dicks and/or making money with the kind of stuff that's forbidden elsewhere (ie: not so long ago they enacted a number of measures to prosecute money laundering, bringing Gibraltar up to EU standards, but of course, that doesn't stop them from being a tax haven or providing the mechanisms to launder that money elsewhere). Then again, although this should be the main issue with Gibraltar, it's not like this is why the Spanish government is raising a stink right now.

The same rule set that states you cant deliberately slow down border crossing or charge for it?

Gibraltar is not part of the Schengen space, so both Spain and Gibraltar are free to be as much of a dick to each other as they please when it comes to borders.

Like the UK, Gibraltar does not form part of the Schengen Area and, as a result, the border between Spain and Gibraltar is an external Schengen border through which Spain is legally obliged to perform full entrance and exit controls

 

[gutter_trash]

As the only Gibraltarian on GAF, I fully support giving Gib back to Spain as long as they give back all their overseas territories. And give Gibraltar back to Morocco.

why not give all of Spain back to the Moors while you are it? Then revert that and give it back to the Romans, then revert that and give back to the earlier people who lived their before that

see how ridiculous things get when people say ''give it back?''