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[The Elite]

Let her make the call. Flowers send a distinct message. Calling again would be much

I have to agree with this.

 

[Fantasmo]

Check my edit on the previous page

 

[The Elite]

Check my edit on the previous page

I'd expect a call or at least a text if I sent flowers. If she's non-responsive and I had to make the next move, that would concern me.

 

[Fantasmo]

I'd expect a call or at least a text if I sent flowers. If she's non-responsive and I had to make the next move, that would concern me.

Phone tag, her having an upbeat attitude, him having an upbeat attitude, and him saying he will call and her feeling good about it, means he should call.

If instead he said nothing, it'd be up in the air.

If she said she'd call, you wait for the call.

Being true to your word is a very valuable asset as long as you don't compromise your dignity in the process.

 

[SpectreFire]

Has anyone considered that people who practice PUA are seemingly the biggest bunch of whipped pussy worshippers around?

Considering they've created this whole culture involving books, videos, community, etc, around getting women.

 

[jasonng]

Has anyone considered that people who practice PUA are seemingly the biggest bunch of whipped pussy worshippers around?

Considering they've created this whole culture involving books, videos, community, etc, around getting women.

I wouldn't go that far. My opinion on the PUA community is that they are teaching a mechanical approach to meeting women which is suppose to come organically. I would hope that by the end of their lessons that it changes their perception of the dating world and not memorization of methods and gameplay. I'm certainly not against any communities who are willing to better themselves and learn self-improvement in one way or another.

 

[TurboLibre]

I wouldn't go that far. My opinion on the PUA community is that they are teaching a mechanical approach to meeting women which is suppose to come organically. I would hope that by the end of their lessons that it changes their perception of the dating world and not memorization of methods and gameplay. I'm certainly not against any communities who are willing to better themselves and learn self-improvement in one way or another.

I really disagree with the general attitude surrounding the PUA community, but I'm starting to think a mechanical approach is the only way. It's nice to think about naturally meeting someone and organically starting a relationship, but with every year I get closer to realizing that's just a pipe dream.

 

[SpectreFire]

I really disagree with the general attitude surrounding the PUA community, but I'm starting to think a mechanical approach is the only way. It's nice to think about naturally meeting someone and organically starting a relationship, but with every year I get closer to realizing that's just a pipe dream.

Wrong.

Think of it this way. What kind of customer service is better? The type where you're talking to an actual person? Or the type where you're talking to an automated message?

When you're using a mechanical approach, you become that automated message. It's hard trying to connect with another human being when only one of them is acting like one.

 

[TurboLibre]

Wrong.

Think of it this way. What kind of customer service is better? The type where you're talking to an actual person? Or the type where you're talking to an automated message?

When you're using a mechanical approach, you become that automated message. It's hard trying to connect with another human being when only one of them is acting like one.

A organic/natural approach assumes you're wired in such a way that these things are natural to you. If I had that in me I wouldn't be in this thread right now. So really, the two options are:

1) Act natural and stay alone my whole life.

2) Mechanical approach and eventually meet someone.

Again, I agree that a natural/organically evolving relationship is the ideal. But at this point I have no reason to believe it'll ever happen.

 

[SpectreFire]

A organic/natural approach assumes you're wired in such a way that these things are natural to you. If I had that in me I wouldn't be in this thread right now. So really, the two options are:

1) Act natural and stay alone my whole life.

2) Mechanical approach and eventually meet someone.

Again, I agree that a natural/organically evolving relationship is the ideal. But at this point I have no reason to believe it'll ever happen.

Sorry, but how old are you? Because I can't get over how whiny you sound with that line.

 

[jasonng]

It's not ideal to learn from textbooks and whatever form of lectures they provide but it forces some of these guys to actually talk to women, which is already a huge step for someone whom I think would resort to the PUA community. You can't fault guys who are trying, I can admire that even. I really hope they are teaching a way of thinking and not a set of rulebooks.

 

[TurboLibre]

Sorry, but how old are you? Because I can't get over how whiney you sound with that line.

25 and never been close to starting a relationship even though the people around me are saying women should be all over me. Yeah, I don't have much faith in acting natural anymore.

 

[SpectreFire]

25 and never been close to starting a relationship even though the people around me are saying women should be all over me. Yeah, I don't have much faith in acting natural anymore.

Going into the backlogs, maybe you should just try dicks from now on if you're that into putting no effort in pursuing a relationship.

 

[jasonng]

25 and never been close to starting a relationship even though the people around me are saying women should be all over me. Yeah, I don't have much faith in acting natural anymore.

You said you don't express interest in someone unless she expresses interest in you first right? Well your friends and the people you surround yourself apparently see a side of you that can be attractive. What's stopping you from showing that side to girls you meet? Not all will show interest (and I'm with everyone else and say you shouldn't be waiting for the signs in the first place) but some will eventually.

 

[Ninja_Hawk]

I just want to note, that you can have all of the tools. You can have the looks, so-called confidence, pick-up lines (lol), whatever, but if you're not taking a chance by going out and approaching a few girls, you're never going to get over any social anxieties you may have. Thinking constantly about what you could've, should've, would've done, but didn't do, is only going to hurt you and keep you stuck in the same hole, visualize in your head what you want, stop overanalyzing, be implusive, and go for it. Then learn to not take rejection so hard, as it's really not that bad lol. Look at every interaction made and try to think about something you could've done better, since there is always room for improvement. But bottomline, you want something, you gotta go after it, don't worry about all the fluff and don't freak out if things don't work out as plan.

Yeah, yeah, easier said than done, it's not always that simple. Which is true to an extent, it depends on the person, but for quite a few people (and i'm not calling out anyone in particular, just maybe some who see themselves in this and could relate to it) they are holding themselves back, you have a wealth of potential to realize, and it all starts with saying something like "hi".

/end rant.

 

[TurboLibre]

Going into the backlogs, maybe you should just try dicks from now on if you're that into putting no effort in pursuing a relationship.

Wow, you really nailed it. All this time I was trying to act straight to a bunch of strangers on the internet, but you saw straight through it. You are some kind of amazing.

You said you don't express interest in someone unless she expresses interest in you first right? Well your friends and the people you surround yourself apparently see a side of you that can be attractive. What's stopping you from showing that side to girls you meet? Not all will show interest (and I'm with everyone else and say you shouldn't be waiting for the signs in the first place) but some will eventually.

I feel like I do show that side to them. I even brought up the topic to some friends and they said the same thing. They posed it as a problem though, they said I should talk to girls differently. I don't know, I'm still making these girls laugh all the time, so I don't think it could be that bad.

 

[ecurbj]

I just want to note, that you can have all of the tools. You can have the looks, so-called confidence, pick-up lines (lol), whatever, but if you're not taking a chance by going out and approaching a few girls, you're never going to get over any social anxieties you may have. Thinking constantly about what you could've, should've, would've done, but didn't do, is only going to hurt you and keep you stuck in the same hole, visualize in your head what you want, stop overanalyzing, be implusive, and go for it. Then learn to not take rejection so hard, as it's really not that bad lol. Look at every interaction made and try to think about something you could've done better, since there is always room for improvement. But bottomline, you want something, you gotta go after it, don't worry about all the fluff and don't freak out if things don't work out as plan.

Yeah, yeah, easier said than done, it's not always that simple. Which is true to an extent, it depends on the person, but for quite a few people (and i'm not calling out anyone in particular, just maybe some who see themselves in this and could relate to it) they are holding themselves back, you have a wealth of potential to realize, and it all starts with saying something like "hi".

/end rant.

Just what I needed to here from you. I will tell everyone in this thread. That I'm applying the advice you all are giving to those in need of it and I'm applying it to my everyday encounters and it's improving. Not to the point that I'm "snap of the fingers confident" but I'm slowly but surely easing my way out my bubble.

It feels good kinda and very different.

 

[Host Samurai]

Phone tag, her having an upbeat attitude, him having an upbeat attitude, and him saying he will call and her feeling good about it, means he should call.

If instead he said nothing, it'd be up in the air.

If she said she'd call, you wait for the call.

Being true to your word is a very valuable asset as long as you don't compromise your dignity in the process.

Finally decided that I will try this call once again on Thursday since I did ask her out. I wont leave a VM, I will just shoot her a text telling her I called and when a good time is for her to chat. If I don't get anything than its time to move on, but I think I gotta give her till Thursday afternoon at most because I am a patient guy. I am still holding out hope for a Wednesday call because its close to the weekend.

 

[Fantasmo]

Going into the backlogs, maybe you should just try dicks from now on if you're that into putting no effort in pursuing a relationship.

Hey Fonzie, not everyone is as self confident and suave as you. How would you feel if everything you tried got you nowhere? No wait, its fine, I already know the answer, it would never happen because you're so outgoing and natural. When no tables are left at the restaurant, President Obama would totally get up for you.

Ok so be a doll, pull up a chair and start answering a few questions like Cosmo does every month for women. Or if you have no practical advice, you know, shoo!

 

[low-G]

Theres too many rules and games when trying to get a girl. It shouldn't be like that. Its so stupid.

It shouldn't be this hard.

It's only tough until you get more used to it. For example: with the above stuff about saying how you had a fun time. What was fun and new and amazing at first starts to get more boring and unexceptional, which means you're more experienced and often times more valuable for that experience.

A lot of the stuff talked about in this thread is 'faking it until you make it'. Just makes it easier to start off. I don't have a ton of experience by any means, but already this stuff is starting to sink in.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

Has anyone considered that people who practice PUA are seemingly the biggest bunch of whipped pussy worshippers around?

Considering they've created this whole culture involving books, videos, community, etc, around getting women.

I know some people who took 'PUA' classes, and I couldn't disagree more.
I knew one of the kids before the class, and have since met some of the friends and he made there, and it just works.
The kid is a fucking beast now. Has got at least 3 dates every time we go out. I've resorted to asking him for advice. As I see it, all it did was give him confidence, and few great techniques.
I used to shit on it, but I'm a believer.

 

[Blader]

Online dating GAF, come quick!

So I started the okcupid thing a couple days ago, not really looking for a long-term girlfriend (just had one of those who shattered me completely ;_ but mainly as a way to meet other girls, date around, etc. I have zero experience with online dating though so if anyone does, please shed some light on what to do next:

There's one girl in particular I messaged because her profile mentioned she loves the Bruins and I do too, so I messaged her about that, then I asked if she did any sports, she told me she did and asked me if I did any, I told her what I did. Then she replied with this:

Good I love athletic guys lol and you seem really sweet

WAT DO!

Do I ask her to do something sometime? Or just her number? Or what?

 

[Fou-Lu]

Is it a good thing if all of a girl's male friends are really fucking jealous of me? I'm kinda hoping it means from other points of view it looks like she likes me. But not only could that be totally wrong I might get beat up over this.

 

[Attackthebase]

Online dating GAF, come quick!

So I started the okcupid thing a couple days ago, not really looking for a long-term girlfriend (just had one of those who shattered me completely ;_ but mainly as a way to meet other girls, date around, etc. I have zero experience with online dating though so if anyone does, please shed some light on what to do next:

There's one girl in particular I messaged because her profile mentioned she loves the Bruins and I do too, so I messaged her about that, then I asked if she did any sports, she told me she did and asked me if I did any, I told her what I did. Then she replied with this:



WAT DO!

Do I ask her to do something sometime? Or just her number? Or what?

Your profile should be filled with high-value stuff about your life. Highlight the best parts about yourself. Do NOT put anything low-value about yourself. You don't want to create red flags in your profile.

 

[Blader]

Your profile should be filled with high-value stuff about your life. Highlight the best parts about yourself. Do NOT put anything low-value about yourself. You don't want to create red flags in your profile.

Thanks. But...what do I say to this girl?! :lol

 

[Etrian Oddity]

I think I'm going on a break from females to focus on work and school. Too many immature children around me... buck fitches; make money (and yes I intended the irony)!

 

[Attackthebase]

Thanks. But...what do I say to this girl?! :lol

I honestly don't know, normally if I get a reply like that, I pretty much move to the next girl. If a person doesn't have the intelligence to write in a proper manner, then no, she doesn't deserve a reply back.

 

[Mistouze]

Thanks. But...what do I say to this girl?! :lol

"Thanks, you seem pretty salty yourself though. *random invitation for a cup of coffee*"

 

[Prodigal]

Is it a bad idea to try to a get a chick's number when she's working? I was at Best Buy earlier today and was approached by an employee and we chatted for a while, I felt like there were some good vibes flowin' but I'm terrible at detecting them. She could have just been trying to get me to buy something, and I feel like trying to do anything while she's working would be awkward/uncomfortable for her.

 

[The Shadow]

A organic/natural approach assumes you're wired in such a way that these things are natural to you. If I had that in me I wouldn't be in this thread right now. So really, the two options are:

1) Act natural and stay alone my whole life.

2) Mechanical approach and eventually meet someone.

Again, I agree that a natural/organically evolving relationship is the ideal. But at this point I have no reason to believe it'll ever happen.

It doesn't seem natural but it can be. You have to think of it like learning a new language. At first it seems hard and convoluted but after the time and effort you put into it, you're conversing pretty easily.

I was a pretty severe introvert in HS and to be brutally honest, I still am an introvert. Even so, I'm able to start conversations with strangers pretty easily and ask women for their numbers if I'm interested. It took practice and time and didn't seem natural at all but it is now.

 

[TurboLibre]

It doesn't seem natural but it can be. You have to think of it like learning a new language. At first it seems hard and convoluted but after the time and effort you put into it, you're conversing pretty easily.

I was a pretty severe introvert in HS and to be brutally honest, I still am an introvert. Even so, I'm able to start conversations with strangers pretty easily and ask women for their numbers if I'm interested. It took practice and time and didn't seem natural at all but it is now.

You're right. I'll have to go "mechanical" at first to learn this stuff though, and I'm sure it'll become second nature over time. Thankfully I have a great group of friends who now know I'm sorta shitty at this, so I'm sure they'll help me out with whatever they can.

 

[Maron]

You're right. I'll have to go "mechanical" at first to learn this stuff though, and I'm sure it'll become second nature over time. Thankfully I have a great group of friends who now know I'm sorta shitty at this, so I'm sure they'll help me out with whatever they can.

I usually lurk this thread, but it's really nice to see you being a bit more optimistic.

 

[-ImaginaryInsider]

Is it a good thing if all of a girl's male friends are really fucking jealous of me? I'm kinda hoping it means from other points of view it looks like she likes me. But not only could that be totally wrong I might get beat up over this.

Been in that position, it was a very good sign in my case... but then those jealous guys made it their mission to interfere and break us up. So here's hoping they aren't douches.

 

[SpectreFire]

Hey Fonzie, not everyone is as self confident and suave as you. How would you feel if everything you tried got you nowhere? No wait, its fine, I already know the answer, it would never happen because you're so outgoing and natural. When no tables are left at the restaurant, President Obama would totally get up for you.

Ok so be a doll, pull up a chair and start answering a few questions like Cosmo does every month for women. Or if you have no practical advice, you know, shoo!

Hey, considering that there are plenty of examples of people here who come in with problems, receive mounds of help from the community, and do nothing about it but bitch about how none of it will work. What's the point? There's plenty of very receptive people who take it to heart and make a very strong effort to turn things around. If all you're going to do is sit around and complain about how none of the advice can help you and go and blame women for whats wrong with you, then I don't want to bother helping them, because I know it won't.

Combine and Crushdance was more than enough for me.

 

[TurboLibre]

Hey, considering that there are plenty of examples of people here who come in with problems, receive mounds of help from the community, and do nothing about it but bitch about how none of it will work. What's the point? There's plenty of very receptive people who take it to heart and make a very strong effort to turn things around. If all you're going to do is sit around and complain about how none of the advice can help you and go and blame women for whats wrong with you, then I don't want to bother helping them, because I know it won't.

Combine and Crushdance was more than enough for me.

First off, all you did was come in to bitch about pick up artists, so don't try to pretend you're any different. I didn't even agree with the PUA attitude, I just mentioned that it can be helpful to the people that don't naturally get this stuff. Somehow that sparked you to run your mouth.

Second, I'm doing a fuck ton of work and clearly headed in the right direction. I'm nothing like Combine or Chrushdance because I am social, I have no problem talking to women, and I have a lot of stuff going for me in my life. So the normal advice doesn't really apply to me and discussion was (is) needed to see what I'm doing wrong. You can't fix what you don't think is broken. Now if that's such an inconvenience to you, just don't enter this thread. It's not like anyone here will miss you amazing advice like "How about trying dick". Either that or actually contributing something to this thread that doesn't reek of pompous asshole. Your call.

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

Okay gentlemen I have a problem related to sex.

I very recently lost my virginity with my first girlfriend, who happens to be the greatest human being I have ever met.

Here's the problem, I can't climax, and I have trouble staying hard with condom use. I'm on Prozac, but until I met this girl I had no problem finishing on my own quite regularly. I'm very attentive to her needs, so this isn't the most detrimental thing in the world, but I would like to enjoy myself more than I currently am.

It's like I don't feel anything... my sensitivity has been completely turned off. Even oral doesn't do much for me, though I will say it feels better than sex with a condom.

I'm starting to worry this might be a permanent problem, and might need medical help. When I get home I'm almost doubled over in pain (which I suppose is blue balls?), and have to force myself to masturbate through it for relief. It really is horrendous.

It's probably worth mentioning I'm 25... so yeah I'm very late to this whole thing. I often wonder if that has something to do with it.

Edit: I should clarify that even masturbation takes ages and intense concentration since meeting this woman... It's like when faced with the real deal my brain turned off my sex drive. It's very odd I must say.

 

[ecurbj]

Okay gentlemen I have a problem related to sex.

I very recently lost my virginity with my first girlfriend, who happens to be the greatest human being I have ever met.

Here's the problem, I can't climax, and I have trouble staying hard with condom use. I'm on Prozac, but until I met this girl I had no problem finishing on my own quite regularly. I'm very attentive to her needs, so this isn't the most detrimental thing in the world, but I would like to enjoy myself more than I currently am.

It's like I don't feel anything... my sensitivity has been completely turned off. Even oral doesn't do much for me, though I will say it feels better than sex with a condom.

I'm starting to worry this might be a permanent problem, and might need medical help. When I get home I'm almost doubled over in pain (which I suppose is blue balls?), and have to force myself to masturbate through it for relief. It really is horrendous.

It's probably worth mentioning I'm 25... so yeah I'm very late to this whole thing. I often wonder if that has something to do with it.

Edit: I should clarify that even masturbation takes ages and intense concentration since meeting this woman... It's like when faced with the real deal my brain turned off my sex drive. It's very odd I must say.

I believe you have what is called "erectile dysfunction".

 

[Fantasmo]

Hey, considering that there are plenty of examples of people here who come in with problems, receive mounds of help from the community, and do nothing about it but bitch about how none of it will work. What's the point? There's plenty of very receptive people who take it to heart and make a very strong effort to turn things around. If all you're going to do is sit around and complain about how none of the advice can help you and go and blame women for whats wrong with you, then I don't want to bother helping them, because I know it won't.

Combine and Crushdance was more than enough for me.

Everyones got their own timeline bro. You put your nuggets out and people can bite or not.

And here's my little nugget for you. When someones not listening, its not always about fear. Yea maybe a lot of the time, but other times because another piece of the puzzle isn't there.

Perfect example is the previous page where a poster is depressed about living at home. That guy has to either become cool about living at home, or get out of the house. Then the puzzle will start taking shape and things will fall into place.

If you're frustrated, duck out. Nobodys got a gun to your head and negativity only helps in certain circrumstances. This ain't one of them as far as I can tell.

 

[Spacebar]

Is it a bad idea to try to a get a chick's number when she's working? I was at Best Buy earlier today and was approached by an employee and we chatted for a while, I felt like there were some good vibes flowin' but I'm terrible at detecting them. She could have just been trying to get me to buy something, and I feel like trying to do anything while she's working would be awkward/uncomfortable for her.

We just had a guy score a number from a girl who was at work. Believe!

 

[The Elite]

Okay gentlemen I have a problem related to sex.

I very recently lost my virginity with my first girlfriend, who happens to be the greatest human being I have ever met.

Here's the problem, I can't climax, and I have trouble staying hard with condom use. I'm on Prozac, but until I met this girl I had no problem finishing on my own quite regularly. I'm very attentive to her needs, so this isn't the most detrimental thing in the world, but I would like to enjoy myself more than I currently am.

It's like I don't feel anything... my sensitivity has been completely turned off. Even oral doesn't do much for me, though I will say it feels better than sex with a condom.

I'm starting to worry this might be a permanent problem, and might need medical help. When I get home I'm almost doubled over in pain (which I suppose is blue balls?), and have to force myself to masturbate through it for relief. It really is horrendous.

It's probably worth mentioning I'm 25... so yeah I'm very late to this whole thing. I often wonder if that has something to do with it.

Edit: I should clarify that even masturbation takes ages and intense concentration since meeting this woman... It's like when faced with the real deal my brain turned off my sex drive. It's very odd I must say.

It happens. Best bet is you need to jerk off less. I've had this problem myself. After jerking off less for a week I was back to normal.

 

[Blader]

Okay gentlemen I have a problem related to sex.

I very recently lost my virginity with my first girlfriend, who happens to be the greatest human being I have ever met.

Here's the problem, I can't climax, and I have trouble staying hard with condom use. I'm on Prozac, but until I met this girl I had no problem finishing on my own quite regularly. I'm very attentive to her needs, so this isn't the most detrimental thing in the world, but I would like to enjoy myself more than I currently am.

It's like I don't feel anything... my sensitivity has been completely turned off. Even oral doesn't do much for me, though I will say it feels better than sex with a condom.

I'm starting to worry this might be a permanent problem, and might need medical help. When I get home I'm almost doubled over in pain (which I suppose is blue balls?), and have to force myself to masturbate through it for relief. It really is horrendous.

It's probably worth mentioning I'm 25... so yeah I'm very late to this whole thing. I often wonder if that has something to do with it.

Edit: I should clarify that even masturbation takes ages and intense concentration since meeting this woman... It's like when faced with the real deal my brain turned off my sex drive. It's very odd I must say.

Part of it is just nerves, part of it is that you just need to jack off less.

 

[hiryu]

Okay gentlemen I have a problem related to sex.

I very recently lost my virginity with my first girlfriend, who happens to be the greatest human being I have ever met.

Here's the problem, I can't climax, and I have trouble staying hard with condom use. I'm on Prozac, but until I met this girl I had no problem finishing on my own quite regularly. I'm very attentive to her needs, so this isn't the most detrimental thing in the world, but I would like to enjoy myself more than I currently am.

It's like I don't feel anything... my sensitivity has been completely turned off. Even oral doesn't do much for me, though I will say it feels better than sex with a condom.

I'm starting to worry this might be a permanent problem, and might need medical help. When I get home I'm almost doubled over in pain (which I suppose is blue balls?), and have to force myself to masturbate through it for relief. It really is horrendous.

It's probably worth mentioning I'm 25... so yeah I'm very late to this whole thing. I often wonder if that has something to do with it.

Edit: I should clarify that even masturbation takes ages and intense concentration since meeting this woman... It's like when faced with the real deal my brain turned off my sex drive. It's very odd I must say.

Prozac and any other anti depressant can lead to erectile dysfunction. I suggest you talk to your Doctor about it.

 

[Coeliacus]

I feel a bit bummed out.

I met a girl through Cupid that I knew I wasn't attracted to, but just went through the logical chat-exchange numbers-meet up because she was fun to talk to. Meeting her ended up being better than I expected and we talked for hours longer than either of us were planning to. Thing is I'm still not attracted to her which sucks. Any of you online dating guys had similar experiences and come out with great friends?

 

[EXGN]

Wrong.

Think of it this way. What kind of customer service is better? The type where you're talking to an actual person? Or the type where you're talking to an automated message?

When you're using a mechanical approach, you become that automated message. It's hard trying to connect with another human being when only one of them is acting like one.

Outside of that crap VH1 show, I think most "pick up artist" curriculum teach mindsets and self-confidence, not automated lines. It's like any other self-help program - they force you to look at your inner beliefs and show you possible alternatives that may help you overcome your shortcomings (with women, in this instance).

I know the TV show taught people specific pick up lines, routines and scripts but from what I've read elsewhere, most "pick up teachers" look down on that approach because of precisely what you are saying.

 

[The Elite]

A lot of PUA I see is sold as an automated process. You make your approach, use a method and it either works or doesn't in the first 60 seconds. If it doesn't, rinse and repeat. There's the inner game stuff which digs a little deeper but I'm not a huge fan of the "process" being sold. I'd rather just be myself, be natural. If I'm having confidence issues, then I need to work on that shit but I don't think any PUA is going to help you work around your confidence problems.

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

In regards to simply having erectile dysfunction... I haven't until meeting her.

I mean I worked flawlessly until now.

Christ a broken cock at 25.

Edit: Also as far as jerking off less, prior to last night (our second time) I took nearly a week off.

Edit 2: Oh and I can stay hard during oral and various other foreplay. I only go soft when a condom comes into play.

 

[Blader]

In regards to simply having erectile dysfunction... I haven't until meeting her.

I mean I worked flawlessly until now.

Christ a broken cock at 25.

Edit: Also as far as jerking off less, prior to last night (our second time) I took nearly a week off.

She's the first girl you ever slept with, right? Nerves play a big part in it, even after you've done it once. Hell, I've had it happen to me the first time I was with someone beyond just my first girlfriend.

 

[samus i am]

It is your first time having sex and you have now learned the dirty secret of the sex education industry. Condoms, no matter how thin, suck. My suggestion is asking your chick if she will let you finish on her. Make it a heat of the moment question so she will be more likely to say yes. Then pull out and finish on your own, at a location of your choosing.

 

[ThisWreckage]

I didn't want to make a thread, but I am disenchanted with dating. I don't know if it's bad luck or what. I guess I just get sick of all of the power struggles, petty mind games, and overall ups and downs of relationships. I can clearly see why a lot of men just fuck around.

 

[The Elite]

It is your first time having sex and you have now learned the dirty secret of the sex education industry. Condoms, no matter how thin, suck. My suggestion is asking your chick if she will let you finish on her. Make it a heat of the moment question so she will be more likely to say yes. Then pull out and finish on your own, at a location of her choosing.

Fixed.

Or at least don't do it on her face without consent. Please god don't.

I didn't want to make a thread, but I am disenchanted with dating. I don't know if it's bad luck or what. I guess I just get sick of all of the power struggles, petty mind games, and overall ups and downs of relationships. I can clearly see why a lot of men just fuck around.

I'm with you but I'm not a "one night stand" type of guy either. I've been lucky to be with women who don't do that shit but those relationships have run their course and it's tough luck finding someone similar.

Just "dating" different women doesn't do much for me either. I don't have much time to devote to the whole endeavour to begin with.