CornBurrito
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Because people think video games and TV shows are real. Look at all the "why didn't they just shoot the weapon out of his hand!" posts in other threads.
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Gorilla killed after dragging child at Cincinnati Zoo
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Because people think video games and TV shows are real. Look at all the "why didn't they just shoot the weapon out of his hand!" posts in other threads.
Shambalakan
Member
Poor gorilla didn't want to harm the boy in my opinion. if he wanted, he would do that in the first place, not waiting for 10 minutes. he moved the boy twice and maybe he wanted to move him to a safe place. but he did this with aggressive actions (in humans perspective) and they killed it.
Sadly, I think most of us would do that if we were there.
Sadly, I think most of us would do that if we were there.
Subpar Scrub
Banned
Shoot him in the leg! *sigh*
Heard about it yesterday...felt so bad for the Gorilla..already caged up and then getting killed because the parents didnt look after their kid...
Doesnt really matter if he wanted to harm the kid or not...the fact is that he could have harmed the kid so the outcome was expected. Just pisses me off that it got to that situation in the first place...increase your security measures and parent dont let you 4 year old wander around alone in a Zoo.
Doesnt really matter if he wanted to harm the kid or not...the fact is that he could have harmed the kid so the outcome was expected. Just pisses me off that it got to that situation in the first place...increase your security measures and parent dont let you 4 year old wander around alone in a Zoo.
Like knee jerk judgments either way when the actual details of what happened are not available yet?
smh
Astral Dog
Member
People have little empathy left for their own species offspring after witnessing humanitys flaws, thats all i have :/
Vital Tundra
Member
As a parent I don't see how the zoo is most at fault. How do you let your 4 year old get into an enclosure, where the fuck were they? That child should be within arms reach at all times.
MaybeBurger
Banned
the gorilla should have been tranqed, not killed.
no one on page one even mentiond parents. Waste of a life for the gorilla.
no one on page one even mentiond parents. Waste of a life for the gorilla.
Miggytronz
Gold Member
If you read through the first couple pages of this thread you'd get informed that Tran'q was NOT an option in this situation.
Astral Dog
Member
The boy family thanked the zoo for their inmediate action in saving his life, just saw it on the news, thats good right.
Did they even mention the Gorilla at all?
Astral Dog
Member
No, they just moved on to something else
There are billions of humans.
We put wild animals in cages for our entertainment, where they lead pretty miserable lives.
This kid has toys he can't play with because he could potentially swallow them, but was trusted to be free in a zoo. Where wild animals live.
Sorry, all I don't feel bad for humans at all. Poor Gorilla.
We put wild animals in cages for our entertainment, where they lead pretty miserable lives.
This kid has toys he can't play with because he could potentially swallow them, but was trusted to be free in a zoo. Where wild animals live.
Sorry, all I don't feel bad for humans at all. Poor Gorilla.
Calamari41
41 > 38
I think you'll find, especially on the internet, that everybody becomes an expert on everything as soon as pretty much anything happens.
"Here's what these trained experts should have done... "
Completely not relevant to the gorilla situation, as tranquilizers are a very different thing and sadly I agree that shooting the animal was the quickest and safest option here, but you do know that in some parts of the world outside of the US, firearms officers are properly trained and don't shoot to kill at the slightest provocation.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1085270
French policeman shoots an armed man in the leg to prevent him commiting suicide.
From a rooftop.
Using iron sights.
GamingOblivion
Banned
These gorillas don't live in cages in that zoo.
HawksWinStanley
Member
I'm sure their lawyer was very careful in crafting a response for them to give the media. You have to get across how grateful they are without reminding anyone that an animal had to be killed because of their irresponsibility.
This is such a tragic story and, even though many are saying it's easy to lose track of a child for a moment, I can't help but blame the parents. I feel like, at 4, I understood that animals could be dangerous and it wouldn't have crossed my mind to try to get into a gorilla enclosure. Maybe the lesson is to have this conversation with your child, before taking them to the Zoo. If it seems like they don't or can't understand, then hold their hand the entire time.
Polioliolio
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An open enclosure with artificial rocks and phony trees is hardly competent to a native environment. Most animals don't live in a box like humans have become accustomed to. Some of the smallest animals, certain rodents for example have territory that span many miles or more.. Others are always traveling.
The only zoos that should exist should be rescue centers, and they should most certainly be nonprofit.
What more information do you need?
At the age of four, children should be capable of understanding that gorillas are dangerous if the parents cared to explain that, which they clearly didn't.
They boy even said, that he wanted to climb down there and still the mother didn't look after him.
To me (and thankfully many more) it's very clear who is at fault here.
RPGCrazied
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Also, the news is forgetting the part were the kid was saying he was going to go into area where the Gorilla is. The mom was like no your not. Wouldn't that have been the right time to hold his hand all the way through the zoo? If you are watching to many kids, then ask another adult to go with you, or just don't take to many kids to the point you can't keep track of them.
So yes, I blame the parent in this situation.
So yes, I blame the parent in this situation.
Media reporting now that kid was 3 not 4
Did the kid have a history of running off ?
What was the mother doing at the time (multiple kids)?
How long did it take a 3 year old to get in the enclosure? Fast, Zoo also to blame. Slow, parents clearly.
3 year old was heard saying he wants to play in the moat, not with gorilla. What happened after this moment is important.
I'm not absolving anyone of blame until the details come out. But I won't condemn a mother who was bringing her kids for an outing to enrich their lives until it is proven she was properly negligent.
Perfect Blue
Banned
This is basically what I think as well.
GamingOblivion
Banned
Rescue centers don't get the funding a zoo does. Once again, it seems topics like this all the supposed "experts" on zoos and animal captivity.
"Besides spending millions in research and enrichment to keep their animals healthy and active, zoos and aquariums are in fact the biggest reason that many of these species, including the lowland gorilla, are not completely extinct yet. Conservationists cannot get the money to do what they do without donations and the passion of the public. You take zoos out of the equation, most of that money disappears. "
-my roommate who has a Master's Degree in Primatology and pursuing this path as a Ph.D.
I basically let him type all that shit out on my computer lol
I don't see any rocks, but it is pretty brutal. I do wonder if they attempted to just let the child walk towards the exit.
ErnieMcCracken
Member
Read up a little on the success of the breeding program at the Cincinnati Zoo. They are doing everything they can to save endangered species.
killamajig
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So why post this here?
Big Baybee
Member
I don't understand why this is controversial? Yea, parents should have watched their kid, but that gorilla was super rough with that 4 year old and probably would have killed him without intending to. What's the alternative? Just let the boy die? That's not an option. I really hate seeing animals killed senselessly, but I would hate seeing a 4 year old killed even more. Also that railing sucked. Are we sure these parents are really shitty, or is this just an unfortunate accident?
shoplifter
Member
^^^ Based on GAF sentiment, apparently it's better to let the kid die. After all, there are millions of kids.
After seeing the 'fence,' I remember taking my kids there last year and thinking that it wouldn't be impossible for a kid to climb through it and fall.
After seeing the 'fence,' I remember taking my kids there last year and thinking that it wouldn't be impossible for a kid to climb through it and fall.
what? nowhere in the video dose it show the gorilla being agressive towards the kid, in fact, i dare say the other way around. I saw the gorilla trying to protect the kid.
there was absolutely no necessity in killing it. too bad the mother wasnt around to make sure her child didnt fall in there.
Messofanego
Banned
That sounds genuinely like good advice rather than selling them falsehoods that is indoctrinated in them from a young age of how animals act.
shoplifter
Member
There's allegedly a post of the mother speaking out about the incident:
Not one single word about the death of the innocent animal. No remorse, no care, only that people are quick to judge. I fucking hate society.
Yeah we should totally expect a mother that just went through that to have her shit together. Whether I'd post on facebook so soon is another story
/ "that's not a danger at all, the gorilla was just playing with the kid and trying to keep him safe."
Regardless of its intentions, the kid could have easily been killed.
Messofanego
Banned
Yup.
Are gorilla kids dragged by their legs like that? I know animals like big cats grab their young by the mouth.
HawksWinStanley
Member
There's allegedly a post of the mother speaking out about the incident:
Not one single word about the death of the innocent animal. No remorse, no care, only that people are quick to judge. I fucking hate society.
Ah yes, her son was almost killed yesterday when she let him fall 10ft into a pit but let's jump on Facebook and play damage control while thanking god and taking zero responsibility for the incident. And of course no mention of the animal that had to die as a result of her negligence.
ErnieMcCracken
Member
The exhibit has been open 38 years without issue and is certified as up to standard. If your child tells you he's going to climb in and you ignore that, you have to take some responsibility in the matter. I'd imagine that there are similar barriers at other zoos that could be crossed, but most people tend to respect them...
I would like to know did nobody else see him climbing in (since his mother obviously wasn't watching)? Saturday afternoon of a holiday weekend, that place is going to be crowded. If he went in on the left side, I suppose there may not have been many people in that area if the gorillas were in the middle (where the viewing is better).
It's sad how quickly people are to condemn the parents. Anyone can make a mistake, even one that leads to something so terrible. They could very well be terrible parents but I don't find it fair to throw immediate blame their way. They obviously know they screwed up.
It should also be a zoo's priority to make something like this extremely difficult to happen.
As for the gorilla, it did nothing wrong. Even if it killed the child, you can't villify wild animals. They're just doing what they do. They're not here to be our friends. Plus their natural behaviors can get mixed up since they're in a zoo. That said, I understand the need to kill the gorilla to save the child as quickly as possible.
By the way. I'm a hypocrite to a degree. Because if anyone driving puts my life in danger I'm more than happy to send curses their way and villify them. Fuck aggressive, negligent, and awful drivers.
It should also be a zoo's priority to make something like this extremely difficult to happen.
As for the gorilla, it did nothing wrong. Even if it killed the child, you can't villify wild animals. They're just doing what they do. They're not here to be our friends. Plus their natural behaviors can get mixed up since they're in a zoo. That said, I understand the need to kill the gorilla to save the child as quickly as possible.
By the way. I'm a hypocrite to a degree. Because if anyone driving puts my life in danger I'm more than happy to send curses their way and villify them. Fuck aggressive, negligent, and awful drivers.
CornBurrito
Member
I'm certain you are an expert in gorilla behavior.
Zoo probably just wanted to kill some gorilla because they fucken love to kill animals and see blood spill.
IISANDERII
Member
That's the type of thinking which has ruined so much of our world.
CornBurrito
Member
"Should"
Says who?
I love zoos. Some zoos are really nice. Animals don't have some magical drive in them that separates "artificial territory" from "magical nature happy nature territory". Those gorillas are almost certainly fine.
Fun fact: Many good zoos are getting rid of their elephants simply because elephants DO need that space. Zoos aren't just heartlessly putting animals in cramped spaces.
Are you people against zoos also against owning dogs or cats? Those species do just fine in the wild as well.
Messofanego
Banned
Doesn't sound like the mom knows she screwed up, but just excuses it as "accidents happen". She's more pissed off that people even criticised her parenting skills.
Big Baybee
Member
Yea, parents shoulder the bulk of the blame. But why are people pondering why an animal was killed to save this innocent child? That's my biggest problem with all of this. You can't shoot it with darts without it going nuts, and obviously this childs life should be saved at all costs.
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