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[Mush]

no pics about shortcut regulation ?

Those are coming up soon, don't worry.

(in regular time, not "Mush" time)

Should only people racing on saturday vote? Because I'm not, and as such I don't really care about the weather But if I should, I'd vote for whatever my teammate prefers (dynamic).

I think it's best if we just leave it to the people actually racing this week because they'll be the ones actually dealing with the outcome, whether it be rain or shine.

 

[ashk]

I think it's best if we just leave it to the people actually racing this week because they'll be the ones actually dealing with the outcome, whether it be rain or shine.

I agree, but I saw both Angst and Dibbz having their votes counted so I thought I'd ask.

 

[Toxa]

I agree, but I saw both Angst and Dibbz having their votes counted so I thought I'd ask.

same for me I won't race saturday but I've spoke for L2ound so remove my vote and put L2ound instead

 

[gutterboy44]

It seems it would be easiest to just allow for maximum chicane cutting so everyone is on the same page. Regulating the cutting is going to be nearly impossible. You will have to first watch every single players race, if they do cut it you then have to determine if they gained a competitive advantage. This is clear when nose to tail with another driver but on laps 3, 8 and 11 I cut the corner and eventually catch someone on lap 14, it becomes less and less clear.

I think we just have to accept that GT5 has once again forced us into a corner where we have to behave in a non realistic way to deal with a broken feature, in this case corner curtting.

I say just consider it a reprofiled corner and let people start practicing cutting it nw.

 

[Mush]

Alright, using some of the most advanced Photoshop and mathematical equation theory techniques known to man, I have constructed a comprehensive post of Variante Della Roggia (that's what the corner is actually called, don't know if it's because of the track marshal who died there in 2000 or whatever) chicane etiquette techniques.

I decided to use the blue rectangle as my guideline for my formula. Because it's actually there to whole time so everyone can see it and stuff.

By using my car as a measuring stick, I was able to figure out roughly that the space between the actual track and the rectangle is about 2 Raybrig's (patent pending). This is also is about the size of the width of the track.

So, with that settled and stuff, I set about drawing up my blueprints. You won't believe how many Photoshop layers this took. The theory is, if x equals Raybrig (patent pending) and r equals rectangle, the sum becomes: r = x² or the amount of Raybrigs it takes to fill up the space of r. What that means to you is, that 2 individual cars can fit in the sum of r without any cutting occurring.

Let's have some practical examples shall we?

As you can see here, the sum of r is is only equal to 1 Raybrig (patent pending), leaving room for the sum to multiplied if need be.

From another angle. Again, note that the 1 Raybrig (patent pending) can be multiplied thus equalling the sum of r.

This equation, while not as perfect as the formula r = x², can still be used as the number of Raybrigs (patent pending) as not exceeded the total sum of r.

However, this formula does not work. It does not work simply because the number of Raybrigs (patent pending) as exceeded the sum of r, and therefore the formula doesn't work, leading to cutting occurring.

 

[Dead Man]

Sooo... Keep one wheel on the green/track side of the blue rectangle and you're okay?

 

[Niks]

Lets see if I got it right..
So we cannot touch the blue square? Or we can, but only with 2 tires?

What about the first chicane? and variante ascari? Can we cut those ones?

 

[Angst]

Lets see if I got it right..
So we cannot touch the blue square? Or we can, but only with 2 tires?

What about the first chicane? and variante ascari? Can we cut those ones?

Yeah those aren't as much of a problem as the first one requires you to slow down to a crawl anyway - the last chicane has sand outside the track - you can cut a bit, but if you cut too much the game will punish you.

Mush: will this be down to a honour system or will you meticulously monitor this and dish out penalties galore? If there will be penalties - what will they be? Have to sit shame-faced in a corner after the race or will there be time added?

I respect the work you put into it Mush, but maybe we should just go the gutterboy way - let's play the game and cut where possible? I fear this will be very hard to implement and I know I will be pissed if I do it the right way and I see the car behind me cutting like crazy. And you know they will say something like "I had to - I didn't brake enough / I had to - I would have bumped into the other car otherwise" etc

 

[Niks]

I know I will be pissed if I do it the right way and I see the car behind me cutting like crazy. And you know they will say something like "I had to - I didn't brake enough / I had to - I would have bumped into the other car otherwise" etc

Good point. I can definitively see this happening.

 

[InEffectMode]

Drive how you know you are supposed to, cutting is cutting. Aren't we supposed to air grievances after the race anyway? I'd rather there be a review after the race than an accident caused by cutting since "we can't monitor it" and "well gt5 allows it" responses. By cutting I mean "golfham" style of cuts, i.e. full blue rectangle type of cutting.

 

[gutterboy44]

It still seems like this is going to be very difficult to police. I think just opening the cutting flood gates is the best idea. It really doesn't effect anything other than lap times. Better to have everyone on the same page than worrying about the guy behind you's honesty.

After all, chicanes are nothing but safety measures for real life drivers, something we don't have to worry about.

 

[EarsOfASnake]

Surely we can just ,you know, drive the course properly? If you cut the corner and overtake someone then you just give back the place?

 

[InEffectMode]

Surely we can just ,you know, drive the course properly? If you cut the corner and overtake someone then you just give back the place?

There is a video of this on Laguna Seca with the corvette giving a place back to a porsche under this very situation.

Found it: L. Seca Ballte

 

[seattle6418]

Chimilosky still not posting (WTF is wrong with his account? i don´t know), then i´m just letting you guys know he told me he prefers the weather to be Sunny/Fixed

As for the chicanes... i don´t know how you guys are gonna control this. I know people are not suppose to cut, but i don´t know how this would be monitored.

 

[weekend_warrior]

My vote would have gone to rain, but since it appears that's the Independent Party of this election I'll pick Dynamic so my vote actually matters.

I'm with Gutterboy/Angst about corner cutting. It would nice if people made in attempt to stay close to the track, but we can't monitor it, and it's not fair to ask people to compromise their lap times if theres no guarantee that everyone is doing the same.

We could try setting the penalty to 'low', that might be the only way to penalize people for trying to cut.

 

[Niks]

beetween cutting chicanes and rain, I predict alot of raging during and after the race.
:/

All I know is that if on the race, the car behind cuts a chicane Ill be doing it the next lap... unless Mush guarantees penalties.

edit:

We could try setting the penalty to 'low', that might be the only way to penalize people for trying to cut.

That works? If so thats the solution.

 

[InEffectMode]

That works? If so thats the solution.

Time to do a 3 lap test.

 

[Angst]

Penalty on Low doesn't work unfortunately IMO.

1. Doesn't hinder people from cutting in chicane 2 as far as I know.
2. Makes cars transparent when doing weird stuff to prevent crashes. Sounds nice, but there's zero indication of when cars will be transparent. Totally negates the heavy damage as well.
3. If we have penalties on low the cars that get bumped off track and enters the track further down the road (no matter how little further down the road) will get a penalty for a seemingly random number of seconds.

Lets just try running with mush's rules. If anyone is caught cheating make them lose their points for the race. And by "cheating" I don't mean any car that goes outside the chicane. Only penalize those that does it consistently and when no cars are near. When three cars go side by side into the chicane it might be either crash or cut.

 

[UFRA]

I'm not racing on Monza, but my 2 cents would be in support of Gutterboy's idea to just let anything go as far as corner cutting goes.

It's the solution that causes the least amount of headaches and is the least complex, and no one can be put at a disadvantage. Whereas with the cutting rules, those who are honest about it could get ripped off by those who "cheat".

I don't think anyone here has time to watch the entire race from each car's perspective, because that's what it would take to give a fair analysis of whether anyone "cheated" or not. How else would you know about what those cars are doing out on their own with no one around?

 

[brentech]

I'm not racing on Monza, but my 2 cents would be in support of Gutterboy's idea to just let anything go as far as corner cutting goes.

It's the solution that causes the least amount of headaches and is the least complex, and no one can be put at a disadvantage. Whereas with the cutting rules, those who are honest about it could get ripped off by those who "cheat".

I don't think anyone here has time to watch the entire race from each car's perspective, because that's what it would take to give a fair analysis of whether anyone "cheated" or not. How else would you know about what those cars are doing out on their own with no one around?

Should be racing, and agreed.

 

[Mush]

I don't know why it's so hard to actually take the corner as is. If you:

1. Take the corner without actually slowing down.
2. Gain a position from cutting across the corner.

Then that's an issue. In the case of no.2, if you gain a position via cutting the turn, you are required to give it back when it is possible.

I think you all know when too much cutting is, well, too much. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

 

[brentech]

I don't know why it's so hard to actually take the corner as is. If you:

1. Take the corner without actually slowing down.
2. Gain a position from cutting across the corner.

Then that's an issue. In the case of no.2, if you gain a position via cutting the turn, you are required to give it back when it is possible.

I think you all know when too much cutting is, well, too much. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

While I agree in principle; in practice, I see could see people entering a chicane too fast and forced to cut large corners. So not necessarily on purpose, but due to necessity for the way people often drive.

 

[Mush]

Voting closed.

 

[brentech]

Dynamic.

 

[Polyphony]

Hey guys, does any team need a sub or replacement? I race a decent amount online in Super GT lobbies, always trying to have a fun and clean race . Let me know!

 

[Mush]

Hey guys, does any team need a sub or replacement? I race a decent amount online in Super GT lobbies, always trying to have a fun and clean race . Let me know!

HOLY SHIT, THE GREAT KAZUNORI YAMAUCHI HAS GRACED US WITH HIS PRESENCE!

:BOW :BOW

 

[Polyphony]

Maybe my first post should have been... konnichiwa .

 

[Mush]

Maybe my first post should have been... konnichiwa .

Well, since you're so keen, you can race this weekend if you can make it. Just take one of the inactive Lexus' (either the Denso Sard or the Petronas SC430, preferably the Petronas) and yeah, race and stuff. Cheers for your enthusiasm! We are possibly doing a Season 2, so it'd be great if you could stick around for that.

 

[InEffectMode]

Enter: Kaz.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Again, anyone up for practice at any time in the 3 hours and 10 minutes after this is posted?

 

[Dead Man]

Again, anyone up for practice at any time in the 3 hours and 10 minutes after this is posted?

Maybe in about an hour from now.

 

[Juicy Bob]

Actually, scratch that idea. Something else has come up. Sorry.

 

[Dead Man]

Actually, scratch that idea. Something else has come up. Sorry.

That's cool.

 

[Toxa]

Hey guys, does any team need a sub or replacement? I race a decent amount online in Super GT lobbies, always trying to have a fun and clean race . Let me know!

be my guest

 

[Niks]

So still no definitive ruling on weather and chicane cutting?

 

[InEffectMode]

So still no definitive ruling on weather and chicane cutting?

I don't know why it's so hard to actually take the corner as is. If you:

1. Take the corner without actually slowing down.
2. Gain a position from cutting across the corner.

Then that's an issue. In the case of no.2, if you gain a position via cutting the turn, you are required to give it back when it is possible.

I think you all know when too much cutting is, well, too much. I shouldn't have to tell you that.

.

 

[l2ounD]

hmm, well whats going to be the penalty for cutting and what happens if someone overtakes and doesnt give the position back?

 

[weekend_warrior]

And thats fine, but like Niks said, the first time I see someone cutting a corner I'll be doing the same next lap.

 

[Juicy Bob]

And thats fine, but like Niks said, the first time I see someone cutting a corner I'll be doing the same next lap.

And if I see someone doing it, I'll just keep taking the chicane the way I'm supposed to.

Spoiler

Seriously though, fix this shit, PD.

 

[Polyphony]

Arg, my DFGT just fried, literally . I can sense a faint burning smell, and when I plug it in, the logo doesn't light up anymore and the wheel turns completely to the left.

I'll try to make it to practices, but I'm out as far as races are concerned.

 

[Mush]

Practicepracticepractice?

 

[Niks]

Did some laps on wet conditions. I suck on the rain

 

[Dead Man]

Did some laps on wet conditions. I suck on the rain

I feel your pain.

 

[Konosuke]

Arg, my DFGT just fried, literally . I can sense a faint burning smell, and when I plug it in, the logo doesn't light up anymore and the wheel turns completely to the left.

I'll try to make it to practices, but I'm out as far as races are concerned.

I'm sorry for that. How old is your DFGT? I was planning to get one for season2, but now I'm scared.

 

[Mush]

Voting is now closed! (well, it actually closed a while ago, but whatevs)

Results:

Sunny (fixed) - 4 votes total

Rain (fixed) - 0 votes

Sun/Rain (dynamic) - 6 votes total

Winner - Dynamic weather

Thanks for your votes everyone, we will using Dynamic weather for Monza.

 

[Polyphony]

I'm sorry for that. How old is your DFGT? I was planning to get one for season2, but now I'm scared.

I got a refurbished one from Ebay for very cheap, so that might be why haha. There aren't too many topics about this issue online, so it might be a relatively isolated occurrence. Someone successfully fixed it themselves by replacing 2 or 3 transistors.

As for the wheel, I still recommend it. I clocked around 100 hours on the thing before this happened (on a refurbished model). Besides, if you buy one from Logitech, it probably comes with an extensive guarantee.

 

[Mush]

So still no definitive ruling on weather and chicane cutting?

I think this covers all the bases.

 

[weekend_warrior]

[MG]http://i.imgur.com/4TxlH.jpg[/IMG]

I think this covers all the bases.

What about the other corner? ;D

 

[Mush]

What about the other corner? ;D

Short-cutting on the 1st corner isn't quite as rampant as it is on the 2nd chicane. Plus it's a lot slower and tighter so it kinda makes it irrelevant.

 

[ashk]

It's a good thing we have the stream - you can never be sure that nobody's watching you cut the corner