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[kiryogi]

The Grandblues comics are now available! A good amount of them are translated, but not the recent ones. Check the banner out on your home page.

 

[Gizuko]

This is so amazing. I don't even know anything about ST and I'm hyped - enough to make me forget about Sony Mobile's shitty customer support.

 

[Chaos17]

10 mins have passed, the game did not yet updated (个_&#20010

Edit: 30 mins passed, still no update.

 

[kiryogi]

ERICAS GUN IS LIGHT UNKNOWN ATTACK UP

 

[demidar]

ERICAS GUN IS LIGHT UNKNOWN ATTACK UP

What's the deal with Unknown skill types? I read about them in the weapon optimization guide but still didn't understand.

 

[Kohak]

Praise be, praise be. Light Unknown Attack Up has come at last! Hype. Hype. Hype.
Need to farm multiple copies...

 

[Gizuko]

What's the deal with Unknown skill types? I read about them in the weapon optimization guide but still didn't understand.

Short answer: Because it stacks multiplicatively.

Long answer:

(Paraphrasing the weapon/summon guide, check it out for more info, section number 6)

Basic calculation of your total attack goes like this:

Base Damage * Omega Weapon * Omega Last Stand * Normal Weapon* Normal Last Stand* Unknown * Elemental

If we focus on the following

Base Damage * Omega Weapon* Normal Weapon*Unknown

and take into account that "Omega Weapon" stands for

1 + (Omega Weapon Modifier * Omega Summon Modifier)

It's easy to see why people use Omega summons and a lot of Omega weapons.

Now, why would you want a different modifier then? If it was a magna multiplier, it would get added to the above parentheses, stacking additively.

I.e. If we had

Omega Weapon modifier = 0,8 atk

and got another weapon with a +0,3atk Omega skill, we'd be up to 1,1 for a total of:

(1+1,1*1)=2,1

Assuming no Omega summon. On the other hand, if it was a 0,3atk Unknown skill, we'd get (assuming yet again, no Omega summons or Ranko Kanzaki):

(1+0,3*1)*(1+0,8*1)=2,84

So that's why - a couple of Normal and Unknown weapons help a lot, depending on your current weapon pool and summons of course.

 

[Chaos17]

Nevermind, I saw the dev blog and it's written for 19 pm JST.

 

[Mr. Bubble]

http://gbf-wiki.com/ front page has event timers and says exactly when events start. Even if you have to use Google Translate through Chrome, you can spot it easily.

 

[Wanchan]

Does the element matter for unknown weapon? Like can I use this light unknown with my dark team?

 

[Azusa]

Does the element matter for unknown weapon? Like can I use this light unknown with my dark team?

Skill element matters. Light unknown only boost light attack.

 

[Chaos17]

http://gbf-wiki.com/ front page has event timers and says exactly when events start. Even if you have to use Google Translate through Chrome, you can spot it easily.

Thank you

 

[Noi]

No event translation... :/

 

[TatteredHat]

It IS a Magna Fest. Poor timing.

 

[Gizuko]

They didn't even translate the characters' skills :<

Edit: Oh, that's good to know. I thought it was weird since they did translate the SF collab.

 

[kiryogi]

It's confirmed translations will be coming in a later update.

 

[TatteredHat]

This themesong on the ST event page is pretty lovely though.

 

[demidar]

Short answer: Because it stacks multiplicatively.

Long answer:

*snip*

So that's why - a couple of Normal and Unknown weapons help a lot, depending on your current weapon pool and summons of course.

I understand now, basically splitting your bonuses evenly so you can get the most out of multiplicative bonuses. I see now.

 

[razterik]

Like it wasn't already hard enough to get into co-op rooms or Omegas, my gosh. Even when using Tweetdeck, most things are gone before I can even copy the code over. There has to be some way to manage these better than what they're doing now.

 

[Rixa]

Like it wasn't already hard enough to get into co-op rooms or Omegas, my gosh. Even when using Tweetdeck, most things are gone before I can even copy the code over. There has to be some way to manage these better than what they're doing now.

When Omegafest is going on, everything dies / gets full really fast. If you get into raid, be fast or you wont get hit in.

 

[commish]

What's the language I should search Twitter for in order to find colossus raids? Can't find the list.

 

[Chaos17]

Quest board: set support summon ??
Set all 7 of them

Edit : nevermind, found it.

 

[garath]

Omg. So much to do. I'm striken with indecision. This is a great time to farm GW materials, but the event has unknown light weapon. And there's the omegas, and skill up bonus? I just used a lot of materials last week. Damn.

I don't see a 10 draw ticker anywhere. Did that hit yet?

 

[Quonny]

Event and Omegafest (ya it's omega so what).

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

 

[dennism]

What's the language I should search Twitter for in order to find colossus raids? Can't find the list.

from someone who quoted me last time

Lv50 &#12486;&#12451;&#12450;&#12510;&#12488;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Tiamat Magna
Lv60 &#12518;&#12464;&#12489;&#12521;&#12471;&#12523;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Yggdrasil Magna
Lv60 &#12522;&#12532;&#12449;&#12452;&#12450;&#12469;&#12531;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Leviathan Magna
Lv70&#12467;&#12525;&#12483;&#12469;&#12473;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Colossus Magna
Lv75 &#12471;&#12517;&#12532;&#12449;&#12522;&#12456;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Chevalier Magna
Lv75 &#12475;&#12524;&#12473;&#12488;&#12539;&#12510;&#12464;&#12490; Celeste Magna
Lv100 &#12490;&#12479;&#12463; Nezha
Lv100 &#12510;&#12461;&#12517;&#12521;&#12539;&#12510;&#12522;&#12454;&#12473; Macula Marius
Lv100 &#12450;&#12509;&#12525;&#12531; Apollo
Lv100 D&#12456;&#12531;&#12472;&#12455;&#12523;&#12539;&#12458;&#12522;&#12532;&#12451;&#12456; Dark Angel Olivia
Lv100 &#12513;&#12489;&#12453;&#12540;&#12469; Cute! Medusa
Lv100 &#12501;&#12521;&#12512;&#65309;&#12464;&#12521;&#12473; Twin Elements
Lv100 &#12472;&#12539;&#12458;&#12540;&#12480;&#12540;&#12539;&#12464;&#12521;&#12531;&#12487; Grand Order
Lv100 &#12503;&#12525;&#12488;&#12496;&#12495;&#12512;&#12540;&#12488; Proto-Bahamut

 

[TatteredHat]

I don't see a 10 draw ticker anywhere. Did that hit yet?

23rd, apparently.

 

[garath]

The materials seem to be falling pretty fast for this event. Wonder what the catch is. Are subsequent weapons going to ramp up the material requirement exponentially?

 

[draw4wild]

Omg. So much to do. I'm striken with indecision. This is a great time to farm GW materials, but the event has unknown light weapon. And there's the omegas, and skill up bonus? I just used a lot of materials last week. Damn.

I don't see a 10 draw ticker anywhere. Did that hit yet?

It's all about setting priorities for me. Magnas and campaign will always be there but this is my chance to get an unknown weapon for my pool so I'm grinding for that first and foremost. I know I trade for the first one but are the other 3 drops?

 

[TatteredHat]

Are there other Unknown weapons available this event or is it just a Light one?

 

[Se7enSword]

Are there other Unknown weapons available this event or is it just a Light one?

Fire Katana other than the light gun.

 

[TatteredHat]

Fire Katana other than the light gun.

Well then, I know what I must do.

 

[garath]

The blue cylinder seems to be the bottleneck. None of the bosses appear to drop it mre frequently than any other. Anyone see something different? I get plenty of the other materials.

It's all about setting priorities for me. Magnas and campaign will always be there but this is my chance to get an unknown weapon for my pool so I'm grinding for that first and foremost. I know I trade for the first one but are the other 3 drops?

I'm pretty sure you can trade for all the copies. The cost just keeps going up. I got the first light gun and now I need 30 blue cylinders, 50 green belts and 20 double green cylinders. I expect it to jump again after the second one.

 

[Wanchan]

Gun dropped in maniac \o/ Oh I get it now, "unknown skill" are the EX ones.

 

[linkent]

All the omegas are instantly killed, lucky to get a hit in.
Almost impossible to get renown point.

Need pro advice here, i kept getting SR colossus weapons, only 1 ssr gloves and 1 ssr staff.
is it advisable to increase the skill level of those MLB SR weapons, or should i just focus on the ssr staff?

 

[commish]

Who do I need in my group in order to do extreme? I thought it was perhaps the event character but I still can't start it.

 

[Wanchan]

Who do I need in my group in order to do extreme? I thought it was perhaps the event character but I still can't start it.

You have to clear them in order.

 

[TatteredHat]

All the omegas are instantly killed, lucky to get a hit in.
Almost impossible to get renown point.

Need pro advice here, i kept getting SR colossus weapons, only 1 ssr gloves and 1 ssr staff.
is it advisable to increase the skill level of those MLB SR weapons, or should i just focus on the ssr staff?

Get the MLB SR weapons to skill level 4/5, then focus on the SSR staff.

 

[garath]

Gun dropped in maniac o/ Oh I get it now, "unknown skill" are the EX ones.

Lucky! I just did the earth maniac. Took too long for the rewards. Going to stick to extreme. Don't think I can do maniac for the other elements.

All the omegas are instantly killed, lucky to get a hit in.
Almost impossible to get renown point.

Need pro advice here, i kept getting SR colossus weapons, only 1 ssr gloves and 1 ssr staff.
is it advisable to increase the skill level of those MLB SR weapons, or should i just focus on the ssr staff?

Until you get a good pool of SSR, those SR attack up omega weapons will be the backbone of your weapon pool. Max uncap them and skill them up to 4 or so and use them until you get the SSR to replace them.

Who do I need in my group in order to do extreme? I thought it was perhaps the event character but I still can't start it.

The blue crystal reward one? Not sure. Probably all 3 girls. Extreme for the event? Was able to do all of them no problem. Just have the first wind girl in my sub party.

 

[Gizuko]

Where are summons' stats added in the total stats calculation? Base damage?

I just realized I have not been including that in my calcs and, although I'm not going to min/max summons (since I always carry elemental+3 statsticks+ a carbuncle) it might affect my weapon pool considerably, specially considering Zephyrus alone has over 1000 atk.

 

[Azusa]

Where are summons' stats added in the total stats calculation? Base damage?

I just realized I have not been including that in my calcs and, although I'm not going to min/max summons (since I always carry elemental+3 statsticks+ a carbuncle) it might affect my weapon pool considerably, specially considering Zephyrus alone has over 1000 atk.

Dont really bother. Maybe use one summon as stat stick but its actually better to have good active skill summon (for example carbuncles) than stat stick summon.

 

[linkent]

Get the MLB SR weapons to skill level 4/5, then focus on the SSR staff.

Until you get a good pool of SSR, those SR attack up omega weapons will be the backbone of your weapon pool. Max uncap them and skill them up to 4 or so and use them until you get the SSR to replace them.

Alright will SL4 the SR weapons!
Thanks.

 

[MicH]

Can only reliably farm the very hard specials :/ Tried the earth on maniac and was so close to making it. Maybe I can do the fire one on maniacs once I have three fire SSR characters plus a god amount of SR Colossus weapons. Just don't have a healer for fire

 

[Gizuko]

Dont really bother. Maybe use one summon as stat stick but its actually better to have good active skill summon (for example carbuncles) than stat stick summon.

Carrying more than 2 Carbs (one for def one for atk) seems a bit much, but is that 25%atk increase woth the slot over, say Lady Katapillar?

I usually carry Apollo, Zeph, a defensive Carbuncle and either Leviathan or Lady Katapillar. I consider all those useful, with the exception of Zeph who is really niche, and Kata/Levi, which seem to be useful but not much (it seems Levi's def down stacks with Charlotta's and DF's though).

I just don't think I have many utility summons :/

 

[LordGorchnik]

Haha the event is untranslated which is a bit of a bummer. No clue where to start though.

Does 1/2 AP work on the Hard Raids? And are they increased to 5? Might just solo some of those for regular anima relics right now as it's almost impossible to renown leech at the moment.

 

[raven777]

Haha the event is untranslated which is a bit of a bummer. No clue where to start though.

Does 1/2 AP work on the Hard Raids? And are they increased to 5? Might just solo some of those for regular anima relics right now as it's almost impossible to renown leech at the moment.

It applies to hard raids but I think the cap is still 3 this time.

 

[Vamphuntr]

Even the characters name and skills aren't translated

 

[Uthred]

The event being untranslated, while obviously just due to time constraints, is an amusingly meta reflection of the series itself. Also, goddam are magnas getting smoked quickly, tough to get a hit in.

 

[Gizuko]

This is the first time I see a Gran Order raid last more than an hour. I'm afraid they won't bother with it (20min left and still a healthy 25% hp left). Omegafest raids either end in seconds or last an eternity.

 

[raven777]

now time to farm weapons.

 

[Grzi]

What boosts should I add to my airship? Currently going with lv1 green potion and 20% meter. It's just me and some Japanese dude in my guild lol, and he just donated more gold so I'm thinking of getting something. Are the 5% elemental boosts worth it?