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[ChiefDada]

Horizon looks more detailed here. I think it looks good for a cross gen game from 2022:

This is PC version but it barely got any updates compared to PS5. Anyway, I will have Yotei tomorrow so I will finally see how it looks on OLED in person...

The lighting is subpar by current gen standards, regardless of what platform you're running it on. I WARNED GUERRILLA not to go this route with Burning Shores and they went ahead with it anyway. And what's the result of all of this? Legitimate debate over whether, and to what extent, a $60M game developed by artsy-fartsy baby brother studio Sucker Punch, looks better than $200M game developer by one of Sony's top 2 technical studios. Really amazing when you sit back and think about it.

This game is the perfect example of how you can have top class textures, geometry, facial animation, etc. But if your focus on lighting/shadows is nonexistent, particularly in the era of RT, your game will become outdated overnight.

 

[Msamy]

 

[BlownUpRich]

Lovely, in both character model fidelity & Atsu herself.

 

[March Climber]

Is this a youtube screenshot?

 

[SKYF@ll]

I must admit that caves in Ghost of Yotei look very good actually, the texture work is great.

I also entered the cave last night, and the baked parts and rendered lighting looked broken.
The textures looked to be of proper 4K quality.

An angle looking towards the bright entrance.

 

[Gonzito]

I also entered the cave last night, and the baked parts and rendered lighting looked broken.
The textures looked to be of proper 4K quality.

An angle looking towards the bright entrance.

Are you playing on Raytracing mode?

 

[SKYF@ll]

Are you playing on Raytracing mode?

Yes. RT Pro Mode

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

The lighting is subpar by current gen standards, regardless of what platform you're running it on. I WARNED GUERRILLA not to go this route with Burning Shores and they went ahead with it anyway. And what's the result of all of this? Legitimate debate over whether, and to what extent, a $60M game developed by artsy-fartsy baby brother studio Sucker Punch, looks better than $200M game developer by one of Sony's top 2 technical studios. Really amazing when you sit back and think about it.

This game is the perfect example of how you can have top class textures, geometry, facial animation, etc. But if your focus on lighting/shadows is nonexistent, particularly in the era of RT, your game will become outdated overnight.

It's true ...FW looks dated whenever I play it now. I also think the 60 fps mode we're all playing it on the Pro is a downgrade from the Quality mode which explains why its not looking as impressive

 

[SKYF@ll]

Yotei's character models are further polished in cutscenes, and look beautiful in-game under the right lighting conditions.

 

[Msamy]

Is this a youtube screenshot?

Yes, still not solid to buy it, (next year have many monster's,) I caught this scene on ign recent video

 

[kevboard]

just started Silent Hill f. and the amount of UE5 games I played that are acceptable on a visual and technical level are still 0.

lumen boil, low image quality, ghosting galore, traversal stutters, animation hitches...

well... that's not surprising tbh. but sad to see each time.
UE5 is just cancer. the worst thing to happen to game graphics and performance.
it is legitimately a warning sign now.

 

[SlimySnake]

Lumen boil in action:

 

[anyasok]

Complaining about GOY while praising Horizon is odd to me. Horizon is one of the most visually inconsistent games I've ever played. Interiors had lighting that looked almost broken a lot of the time. GOY clearly has shortcomings, but using Horizon to argue against it doesn't really make sense to me.

The first horizon is more impressive to me than GoY. The npc rendering alone is mindblowing (especially in Horizon FW) whereas i have seen better npcs in ps3 games than whats in Yotei. Yotei caves are also very ugly and water is plain embarassing for a current gen title

 

[Feel Like I'm On 42]

just started Silent Hill f. and the amount of UE5 games I played that are acceptable on a visual and technical level are still 0.

lumen boil, low image quality, ghosting galore, traversal stutters, animation hitches...

well... that's not surprising tbh. but sad to see each time.
UE5 is just cancer. the worst thing to happen to game graphics and performance.
it is legitimately a warning sign now.

What platform? Ps5 pro or pc?

 

[GymWolf]

The first horizon is more impressive to me than GoY. The npc rendering alone is mindblowing (especially in Horizon FW) whereas i have seen better npcs in ps3 games than whats in Yotei. Yotei caves are also very ugly and water is plain embarassing for a current gen title

Let's not exagerate here, yotei looks better than the first horizon cmon.

Characters in yotei are very hit an miss, mostly miss but with some good hits.

 

[Kikorin]

I also entered the cave last night, and the baked parts and rendered lighting looked broken.
The textures looked to be of proper 4K quality.

An angle looking towards the bright entrance.

Ok, maybe we've been too harsh judging Pokémon Scarlet/Violet.

 

[GymWolf]

Ok, maybe we've been too harsh judging Pokémon Scarlet/Violet.

But somehow is horizon that look old and ugly

Thank god for yotei bringing the next gen goodies...

 

[Critical Hit]

Honestly though, we shouldn't even be debating this, the fact is GOY should have been a clear upgrade over a cross gen game from years ago and is part of why so many on this thread are disappointed with Sony this gen.

Wolverine doesn't look much like an upgrade, either.

 

[GymWolf]

Wolverine doesn't look much like an upgrade, either.

It looks like a nice effort so people starved to see something decent from sony are overrating the shit out of it.

I can understand the feeling tbh, at this point we are glad when a sony game doesn't look a full gen behind 40 dollars AA made with ue5.

 

[Critical Hit]

Yeah, but I still have a hope for the God of War Next from Barlog.

 

[GymWolf]

Yeah, but I still have a hope for the God of War Next from Barlog.

Corey is making a new ip.

And after ragnarock they have everything to prove.

 

[Lootlord]

Lovely, in both character model fidelity & Atsu herself.

Erika is that you?

 

[mrMUR_96]

Wolverine doesn't look much like an upgrade, either.

The rumoured tech improvements are promising, but I wasn't super wowed by the recent trailer. Maybe it's just the art style, but I need to see more before judging it properly.

 

[Critical Hit]

Corey is making a new ip.

It was fake

The rumoured tech improvements are promising

Not at the WOW level. It looked cool, but it didn't blow my/any mind.

 

[analog_future]

just started Silent Hill f. and the amount of UE5 games I played that are acceptable on a visual and technical level are still 0.

lumen boil, low image quality, ghosting galore, traversal stutters, animation hitches...

well... that's not surprising tbh. but sad to see each time.
UE5 is just cancer. the worst thing to happen to game graphics and performance.
it is legitimately a warning sign now.

 

[GymWolf]

It was fake


Not at the WOW level. It looked cool, but it didn't blow my/any mind.

Wait what?

So they are just making gow egypt?

Not that i'm complaining...

 

[Msamy]

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance cores for next gen GPUs,universal compression and high end ML Neural rays for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

 

[Flabagast]

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance core for next gen GPUs , and high end ML for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

Ok cool, but not a single word about the Pro, which seems nearly abandonned now

 

[sncvsrtoip]

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance cores for next gen GPUs,universal compression and high end ML Neural rays for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

It will be far from being monster as they clearly targeting small budget friendly and efficient soc but good they focus on most important aspects

 

[Msamy]

Ok cool, but not a single word about the Pro, which seems nearly abandonned now

Don't care about it anymore the approach they take with ps5 was a let down they make it slightly perform ray tracing thinking developers won't use it soon and here we are with consoles struggle or perform less quality ray tracing on games, from this interview it's clear that Cerny will push path tracing an cinematic lighting as mush as possible on next gen GPUs alongside new ml upscalling method which sound great from his talking, so next gen will expose many lazy developers who give us bullshit this gen and blame the hardware for that, now PS6 from that video I can assume it will easily support 60fps with path tracing and good upscalled 4k quality

 

[Msamy]

Calling it now PS6 will launch on 2027

 

[Msamy]

It will be far from being monster as they clearly targeting small budget friendly and efficient soc but good they focus on most important aspects

It definitely will be a monster considering it Will have the features that they talk about on that video

 

[BlownUpRich]

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance cores for next gen GPUs,universal compression and high end ML Neural rays for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

Like I've been saying, Neural Rendering is the future of video game graphics, you can see its development in Nvidia's research & even current RTX games like Cyberpunk 2077 & Alan Wake 2 (which uses another Neural Rendering feature called "RTX Mega Geometry"), watch their "Zorah" demo, it defies comprehension that it is running in real-time, the Neural rendered textures & materials look insane, rivals the latest CGI movies, plus the (obviously early) neural rendered faces.

Looks like the PS6 will be a cost conscious console, but it's looking to bring a very promising graphical leap indeed.

 

[Msamy]

Like I've been saying, Neural Rendering is the future of video game graphics, you can see its development in Nvidia's research & even current RTX games like Cyberpunk 2077 & Alan Wake 2 (which uses another Neural Rendering feature called "RTX Mega Geometry"), watch their "Zorah" demo, it defies comprehension that it is running in real-time, the Neural rendered textures & materials look insane, rivals the latest CGI movies, plus the (obviously early) neural rendered faces.

Looks like the PS6 will be a cost conscious console, but it's looking to bring a very promising graphical leap indeed.

Yes CGI quality is not far.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

It definitely will be a monster considering it Will have the features that they talk about on that video

Why ? Hw traversal is in geforces since rtx2xxx. The new bandwidth compression algorithm is good to see, hopefully it's awesome as 160b bandwidth sounds dreadful ;d Its small soc with raster performance probably around rtx5070 level, nothing mind blowing in late 2027

 

[Critical Hit]

Wait what?

So they are just making gow egypt?

Not that i'm complaining...

Yep, I bet they are. One of my most anticipated games, actually.

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance cores for next gen GPUs,universal compression and high end ML Neural rays for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

They're just copying Nvidia — DLSS, Tensor Cores and compression that we haven't seen yet (only in the trailers). And that's a good thing.

 

[RavionUHD]

Some more Silent Hill F on PC in 4K Ultrawide with DLDSR, DLSS Transformer model, Hardware Raytracing, Reshade and RenoDX HDR:

 

[GymWolf]

Some more Silent Hill F on PC in 4K Ultrawide with DLDSR, DLSS Transformer model, Hardware Raytracing, Reshade and RenoDX HDR:

 

[Flabagast]

Some more Silent Hill F on PC in 4K Ultrawide with DLDSR, DLSS Transformer model, Hardware Raytracing, Reshade and RenoDX HDR:

Amazing looking game

 

[Msamy]

Why ? Hw traversal is in geforces since rtx2xxx. The new bandwidth compression algorithm is good to see, hopefully it's awesome as 160b bandwidth sounds dreadful ;d Its small soc with raster performance probably around rtx5070 level, nothing mind blowing in late 2027

It would be around rtx 5080 in raw power and around rtx 5090 on ray tracing power if the latest leaks are true considering the leaker himself saying that, this along gpu architecture and techs like latest nividia gpus as per above video talk , and targeting price lower than pro as per leaks, this definitely a monster on 2027, considering the price target

 

[Bojji]

It would be around rtx 5080 in raw power and around rtx 5090 on ray tracing power if the latest leaks are true considering the leaker himself saying that, this along gpu architecture and techs like latest nividia gpus as per above video talk , and targeting price lower than pro as per leaks, this definitely a monster on 2027, considering the price target

Don't believe this bullshit about 5090 RT power from MLiD. And I think we are closer to 9070XT raw raster performance on PS6 (it will be better in RT for sure), 5080+ is more about next gen Xbox.

 

[GymWolf]

Don't believe this bullshit about 5090 RT power from MLiD. And I think we are closer to 9070XT raw raster performance on PS6 (it will be better in RT for sure), 5080+ is more about next gen Xbox.

Wait a second, we are gonna see a ps6 not earlier than 3-4 years and we can't even hope for a 5080 level of power?

 

[Sept Terrion Of Nothing]

PS6 will push path tracing as we want, New radiance cores for next gen GPUs,universal compression and high end ML Neural rays for upscalling, Cerny aren't joking here, PS6 will be a monster, hopefully sony developers talk same approach and use those techs on their games, can't wait for ps6

This video was no surprising. Like I (and many like minded people) said many times, the next gaming leap is ray/path tracing. And not just with 2-4 light reflection. We'll see much more in near future.

That is all and well but if Sony claims that they are pushing boundries in every corner, then why the hell didn't they include and push their 5 years long waited sequel into the equation? Boggles the mind right? Complacency maybe? Maybe they thought "Why bother, everyone is going to buying it nonetheless. Lets put minimum effort."

I was a big hardcore Sony fanboy until 2-3 years ago. I don't buy their honeyed speech anymore to say the least. We'll see what the future will bring.

Ok cool, but not a single word about the Pro, which seems nearly abandonned now

I always think that Pro versions of PS consoles are just marketing and experiment gadgets for the next consol generation.


ADDENDUM: Oh shit I forgot to say. I still like Mark Cerny though. He really seems (or want to) doing good with limited resources. Respect for the man.

 

[Bojji]

Wait a second, we are gonna see a ps6 not earlier than 3-4 years and we can't even hope for a 5080 level of power?

In raw power it will be close (difference between 5080 and 9070XT is ~20%).

Remember that 5080 is a 1000$ GPU, console will have to cost 700-800$ max and you have to add Zen6, memory (whole 40GB of it lol) and all the other components.
RDNA5 will have new features so in certain scenarios even GPU on 9070XT class will be able to outperform 5080. And AMD is WAY behind with path tracing even on RDNA4, so this big rumored boost will bring it on par with nvidia or a bit above. That was needed for quite some time...

PS6 based on current leaks looks like a powerful machine, my biggest concern is memory bandwidth (AGAIN) but with new DCC algorithm maybe it won't be a problem.

 

[Msamy]

Wait a second, we are gonna see a ps6 not earlier than 3-4 years and we can't even hope for a 5080 level of power?

PS6 2027, 5080 performance, I bet on that

 

[Critical Hit]

Even 5090 would mean 720p-1080p upscaling in 7 years again. It would be better if it were ~6080 in 2028.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

It would be around rtx 5080 in raw powerl...

no it wont be ;d

 

[RodriGames40]

PS6 should be able to comfortably match a 5080 in the real world thanks to RDNA5 IPC improvements. If not, console optimization will cover the remaining 10-15% as usual. It's the 5090 that does seem like an unattainable target and for good reason.

 

[Bojji]

PS6 should be able to comfortably match a 5080 in the real world thanks to RDNA5 IPC improvements. If not, console optimization will cover the remaining 10-15% as usual. It's the 5090 that does seem like an unattainable target and for good reason.

First rumor was talking about 40-48 CUs. Even with 3GHz clock and RDNA5 optimizations I have a hard time believing that it will match 64 CU 9070XT that has 3GHz+ clock already.

We have to be realistic here...

 

[RodriGames40]

First rumor was talking about 40-48 CUs. Even with 3GHz clock and RDNA5 optimizations I have a hard time believing that it will match 64 CU 9070XT that has 3GHz+ clock already.

We have to be realistic here...

RDNA5 is a big, big leap that Kepler has repeatedly talked about. It's seemingly massive enough to take those specs well into 9070 XT territory and slightly beyond. Didn't say it myself, he did.