Coriolanus
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Yeah, i saw that bit when i was trying looking up the greek judiciary structure, but since the Guardian decided to run the news, went with the benefit of the doubt.
As everything pertaining to this crisis, it seems to be a mess.
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Greece to hold referendum on austerity measures 5 July
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Yeah, i saw that bit when i was trying looking up the greek judiciary structure, but since the Guardian decided to run the news, went with the benefit of the doubt.
As everything pertaining to this crisis, it seems to be a mess.
Theonik
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Obfuscated vaguely legal sounding rhetoric but with no real grounding, is pretty much the show that's on display here.
My words exactly!
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Check this out:
"Heartbrake: They are toying with pensioners' torment" says the paper... In reality, the old man is a poor Turk crying after the destructive 1999 quake.
Also, fuck KKE, in this critical our, they again bail out on when they are needed the most.
In other news, the UN supports Greek referendum and is pro NO
http://info-war.gr/2015/07/η&#...9;ψηφίσμα/
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=16170&LangID=E
hydrophilic attack
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Check this out:
"Heartbrake: They are toying with pensioners' torment" says the paper... In reality, the old man is a poor Turk crying after the destructive 1999 quake.
Is that man holding an unusually phallic-looking giant hot dog?
lol I see what you did there
Ted Striker
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The Court of State will just send the case to the Supreme Court. Whether there is time to stop the process i don't know.
My words exactly!
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From wikileaks:
https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/intercepts/
http://www.thepressproject.gr/article/78832
Anonymous are pro NO as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rktdEzbZxo
And here is what greek media owes the greek state (tax evasion)
and here is the time alloted in the two protests (29/06 for NO, 30/06 for YES) by Greek media
That puts things in perspective.
https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/intercepts/
http://www.thepressproject.gr/article/78832
Anonymous are pro NO as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rktdEzbZxo
And here is what greek media owes the greek state (tax evasion)
and here is the time alloted in the two protests (29/06 for NO, 30/06 for YES) by Greek media
That puts things in perspective.
Coriolanus
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No offense mate, but if that's true, Schauble is the best damn actor in the whole fucking world.
By which i mean that it probably isn't.
hydrophilic attack
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damn (if true)
oh right
And here is what greek media owes the greek state (tax evasion)
and here is the time alloted in the two protests (29/06 for NO, 30/06 for YES) by Greek media
That puts things in perspective.
damn
My words exactly!
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This was back in 2011 (what the wikileaks refers to), mind you
That whole paragraph is weird.
My words exactly!
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... Stockholme Syndrome? No, KOILIODOULOS RAGIAS
90TilInfinity
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Christ, that is depressing.
From wikileaks:
https://wikileaks.org/nsa-germany/intercepts/
http://www.thepressproject.gr/article/78832
Anonymous are pro NO as well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rktdEzbZxo
And here is what greek media owes the greek state (tax evasion)
and here is the time alloted in the two protests (29/06 for NO, 30/06 for YES) by Greek media
That puts things in perspective.
Stupid question, but why doesn't the government just yank the airwave licenses for the stations that aren't paying their dues?
Letting a company go that far into arrears is mind boggling.
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Until recently there was a huge amount of overlap between the key owners and producers in Greek TV media and higher-ups in the Greek government. Syriza would probably like to do more about it, but I understand they're a little busy.
Coriolanus
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Why doesn't a internationally hostilized left wing government attack the media?
Gee, i wonder...
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Looking at that coverage graph, it is kind of ironic (but not entirely surprising) that EPT, the state-owned channel, was the only one that at least attempted some semblance of even coverage.
No a divided country, sadly no one is telling them the truth.
Ted Striker
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You ought to read 20th century greek history, this goes a long way back.
http://www.politico.eu/article/juncker-so-close-commission-deal-greece-creditors-ecb-imf-eurogroup/
No wonder why Juncker was this pissed.
Ted Striker
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Don't recall much benting from EU. On the other hand Syriza went from no austerity to 8bn euro worth of austerity measures. Juncker cut the crap.
Theonik
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Yes I'm all for the Syriza handled many things amateurishly camp, but that is a pretty hilarious claim.
You don't get that far behind in taxes in a few months.
And there isn't anything wrong with the tax man doing his job.
The IRS (and state tax agencies) collect taxes in the US no matter who is in power at the state and federal level. If you don't pay, there is a lien and then foreclosure.
The media is not exempt from paying the bills.
Coriolanus
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Oh no doubt. For that kinda noise, our good old friend Collusion comes to the fore.
Theonik
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It's always easier to go after them alone. When they collude like that it's harder because it becomes all or nothing. Can you imagine Obama putting foreclosures on all the major media at once? It's the same basic problem with masses of scared people not paying their taxes at once. It's easy and perfectly legal and already practice to imprison single offenders, imprisoning hundreds at once is a mess.You don't get that far behind in taxes in a few months.
And there isn't anything wrong with the tax man doing his job.
The IRS (and state tax agencies) collect taxes in the US no matter who is in power at the state and federal level. If you don't pay, there is a lien and then foreclosure.
The media is not exempt from paying the bills.
Lesser of two evils. Two bad options, terrible position to be in.
EMU isn't even 20 years old and we've had two countries impose capital controls in the last couple of years. If it's going to stick around, they really have to make it a union, and not just in name.
Ted Striker
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You don't get that far behind in taxes in a few months.
And there isn't anything wrong with the tax man doing his job.
The IRS (and state tax agencies) collect taxes in the US no matter who is in power at the state and federal level. If you don't pay, there is a lien and then foreclosure.
The media is not exempt from paying the bills.
The graph is about broadcast licenses fees not taxes.
You don't get that far behind in taxes in a few months.
And there isn't anything wrong with the tax man doing his job.
The IRS (and state tax agencies) collect taxes in the US no matter who is in power at the state and federal level. If you don't pay, there is a lien and then foreclosure.
The media is not exempt from paying the bills.
Do you remember what happened to the public international perception of Chavez the moment he started attacking media stations that had been active in a coup d'etat to overthrow him and install military government?
I think that whole thing would turn any sensible left wing politician from even touching right-wing media for decades to come.
My words exactly!
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Media and former greek governments go hand to hand.
The former offer propaganda, never report on colossal scandals (like the Benizelos submarine debacle) unless they cannot do else after internet journalism exposes them. They receive funding and avoid taxes by the latter.
Previous government of ND/PASOK even shut down ERT their "competitor" a few years ago.
But you know what the biggest offender is?
Bobolas, is the owner of one of the largest (and by far the most mocked for agitprop) TV channels MEGA TV as well as the largest in circulation greek newspapers. He is also the "national contractor", he owns AKTOR construction company and is somehow managing to get behind 99% of all greek public works. Not only that, but he is the former boss (and main financer) of Potami's leader.
It all comes full circle
The former offer propaganda, never report on colossal scandals (like the Benizelos submarine debacle) unless they cannot do else after internet journalism exposes them. They receive funding and avoid taxes by the latter.
Previous government of ND/PASOK even shut down ERT their "competitor" a few years ago.
But you know what the biggest offender is?
Bobolas, is the owner of one of the largest (and by far the most mocked for agitprop) TV channels MEGA TV as well as the largest in circulation greek newspapers. He is also the "national contractor", he owns AKTOR construction company and is somehow managing to get behind 99% of all greek public works. Not only that, but he is the former boss (and main financer) of Potami's leader.
It all comes full circle
Looking in as an outsider, the same applies. If a station (or wireless carrier) didn't pay for their spectrum, they would lose it and it would go back up for bid.
Granted, that's from a US perspective where there are always other companies waiting in the wings to buy a license. Airwaves are valuable when you have a lot of interests vying for them.
I don't know if the case is similar or not in Greece.
Whatever the case is here in Greece you can bet it is never enforced
Rawket Lawnchair
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Incredible....
Looks kinda shopped.
Ether_Snake
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Great commentary piece on The Guardian
Syriza cant just cave in. Europes elites want regime change in Greece
Full article at the link.
Tldr; The goal is to undermine political contagion at all cost.
Of course ultimately the opposite will happen, austerity inevitably brings about opposition and it will keep growing.
Syriza cant just cave in. Europes elites want regime change in Greece
Full article at the link.
Tldr; The goal is to undermine political contagion at all cost.
Of course ultimately the opposite will happen, austerity inevitably brings about opposition and it will keep growing.
I haven't checked the polls about Spain for a very long time, how popular is Podemos there? Are they projected to be the next goverment in the next elections?
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Podemos in purple. They probably be the favourite party were it not for the fact the rise of the ERC (orange) has won a lot of their supporters in the Catalan areas, but ERC is also a relatively far-left party.
Podemos in purple. They probably be the favourite party were it not for the fact the rise of the ERC (orange) has won a lot of their supporters in the Catalan areas, but ERC is also a relatively far-left party.
Thanks for the data. Seems that it and the other party you are talking about are a rising force but the blue and red which probably are the right wing and the social democrats are a stronger combination. This could change in the future. Or am I wrong, I assumed that the social democrats are unwilling to work with Podemos but I really don't know much about Spanish politics.
Ted Striker
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Once again, the political system in Greece is corrupted as hell. Pasok and ND, that took turns for 40 years governing the country, had and still have strong ties and vested interests with industrialists, ship owners, bankers, media owners and businessmen.
Podemos in purple. They probably be the favourite party were it not for the fact the rise of the ERC (orange) has won a lot of their supporters in the Catalan areas, but ERC is also a relatively far-left party.
I haven't seen the source, however, I am willing to bet the orange on that graph represents Ciudadanos (Citizens), a quite right winged party.
In Spain Popular Party and the socialists (PSOE) have worked together on counted ocassions. And the socialists and Podemos have reached several agreements on the last elections. Nonetheless, I am starting to believe that Greece is a spoiler for Spain and that, PP and PSOE are going to create a strong coallition to loot the country again.
Ether_Snake
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It will just raise the stakes for the left, if not now then after the economy gets wrecked by neoliberal policies, as it inevitably happens.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/07/01/wall-street-and-the-greek-financial-crisis/
This is a good interview.
This is a good interview.
Funky Papa
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Podemos in purple. They probably be the favourite party were it not for the fact the rise of the ERC (orange) has won a lot of their supporters in the Catalan areas, but ERC is also a relatively far-left party.
Orange has to be Ciudadanos. ERC is positively tiny at state level.
It's a very odd situation, to be honest. Ciudadanos (neoliberal and center to the right) is the one stealing from the PP so it stands for reason that the PP would like to throw everything and the kitchen sink against them, yet they are only putting Podemos on blast. I'm no fan of Podemos, but I think this shows that the PP is deathly afraid of the emergence of a truly disruptive party. Ciudadanos is more interested in reaching pacts with the PP than peeking below the rug and disturb the powers that be, whereas Podemos is all about auditing the debt and putting an end to the latest rash of privatizations.
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Podemos in purple. They probably be the favourite party were it not for the fact the rise of the ERC (orange) has won a lot of their supporters in the Catalan areas, but ERC is also a relatively far-left party.
ERC is a center left party. Also, as FunkyP said orange is Ciudadanos, ERC has to be yellow tied with blue Convergencia.
Funky Papa
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Nothing. He already prevented the housing bubble from popping as it should (it's been more of a quick deflation) in order to protect savings banks. He's more interested in selling those apartments and houses in bulk to foreign investors than turning them into rent controlled housing.
Germany has gone forward with a contingency plan for Humanitarian Aid for Greece.
Yesterday evening a meeting was held at the foreign office to form a crisis staff, containing members of the foreign office, ministries of finance, economy and labor.
Highest priority would be to make sure Greece gets enough medical supplies.
Yesterday evening a meeting was held at the foreign office to form a crisis staff, containing members of the foreign office, ministries of finance, economy and labor.
Highest priority would be to make sure Greece gets enough medical supplies.
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