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[IndoAssassin]

Civil War was pretty much an Avengers film. That's another film I have issues with much like Age of Ultron. It tried to combine TWS with Avengers and for me it fell flat because of the 3rd act and the whole Tony Cap aspect they forced on us. Remember that ''I thought we were friends'' line ? That took me right out of it. I never once thought he was a friend. Even in the Avengers films they were more enemies than friends. It's pretty much another Avengers 3rd act but this time with even more tension between those two. I actually like the first Cap movie more than the 3rd because it was more its own thing.

It ends up with Cap losing his leadership of the Avengers and him having to leave the team altogether, he also loses his friendship with Tony. Howw is that the same outcome as any other Marvel movie? The other two Avengers films ended with them shaking hands and still friends. Sure they both aren't best friends but they were still friends. Like any normal friendship they quarrelled but they always forgive in the end.

Even the villain survived, only other one is Loki.

 

[HeartlessNobody213]

I enjoyed the first but it's definitely towards the bottom for me of MCU films. I will still go see the sequel in theaters to see if I end up liking it more than the first.

 

[MarveI]

It ends up with Cap losing his leadership of the Avengers and him having to leave the team altogether, he also loses his friendship with Tony. The other two Avengers films ended with them shaking hands and still friends. Sure they both aren't best friends but they were still friends.

He never had one to begin with.

 

[IndoAssassin]

He never had one to begin with.

Yah they were

 

[mjc]

I think it's fascinating seeing the flip from people not knowing who the GotG are, to looking at this film with super high expectations. Kinda proves how Gunn and Marvel succeeded in the first place.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

He never had one to begin with.

Tony said that he was also his friend in the finale when all shit went down

 

[N7.Angel]

Not as good as the first one, not surprising at all but I'm still seeing it, because the first one was the first Marvel movie I really like after the first viewing ( and I have already bought the tickets ...)

 

[MarveI]

Yah they were

Nope. Not even remotely.

Cap & Black Widow are friends.
Cap & Bucky are friends.
Cap & Falcon are friends.

Cap & Tony are colleagues at best.

 

[SpaceWolf]

Nope. Not even remotely.

Cap & Black Widow are friends.
Cap & Bucky are friends.
Cap & Falcon are friends.

Cap & Tony are colleagues at best.

What are you basing this on, exactly? The fact we haven't explicitly see that friendship play out on screen, unlike those other examples?

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Cap & Tony are colleagues at best.

Tony Stark disagrees with you

 

[sTiTcH AU]

Just came back from seeing it, I thought it was way better than the first. I highly recommend seeing it.

 

[black070]

He never had one to begin with.

Do you also think the Avengers only got together for Loki & Ultron ?

 

[Kalentan]

GOTG vs GOTG2
91 RT vs 92 RT
7.8 vs 7.5

Honestly not bad thus far. I guess once even more review comes in we will see if it can stay in the 90s and whether or not the average rating goes higher or lower.

Regardless as it is, that is a dip but not massive. It's not like it became a 6/10 or 5/10. Still in the 7/10 ballpark.

 

[SArcher]

I feel like Tony's and Steve's friendship mostly develops off-screen between Avengers & AoU and AoU & CW.

 

[Blade30]

Nope. Not even remotely.

Cap & Black Widow are friends.
Cap & Bucky are friends.
Cap & Falcon are friends.

Cap & Tony are colleagues at best.

You know, just because we don't see them casually hanging out (Iron Man 3 post/mid credit scene) on screen doesn't mean that they don't hang out between the movies.

 

[Lifejumper]

GOTG vs GOTG2
91 RT vs 92 RT
7.8 vs 7.5

Honestly not bad thus far. I guess once even more review comes in we will see if it can stay in the 90s and whether or not the average rating goes higher or lower.

Regardless as it is, that is a dip but not massive. It's not like it became a 6/10 or 5/10. Still in the 7/10 ballpark.

Reading this thread you would think the RT score was sub 70s

 

[autumnleaf]

He never had one to begin with.

 

[Solo]

That doesn't sound.....very good. Sounds like they took sequel 101 approach of bigger, louder, funnier (but not really) and more expensive, and in doing so, lost the essence of what made the first one good.

 

[jon bones]

funny emotional great action

sounds perfect

 

[Loris146]

Reading this thread you would think the RT score was sub 70s

Same lol. The RT" score" is amazing right now.

 

[SlickShoesRUCrazy]

Solid reviews! Can't wait!

 

[IndoAssassin]

Point Set and Match

 

[Alienous]

I never understood what people saw in the first movie, so with this seemingly being not as good I think it might be the first Marvel movie I skip watching during its theatrical run. Even in the trailers the humor didn't seem to be landing.

 

[jett]

Hmm, the trailers made it look more fun than the first one. I didn't like GOTG1 that much so maybe I'll wait for video this time around.

 

[demosthenes]

Seems to be pretty negative in here despite the pretty positive reviews. Bailing out as someone on page 2 mentioned spoilers out already. Excited for my Friday the 5th tickets!

 

[Elandyll]

Love the first one to death, so more of the same is fine with me

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Seems to be pretty negative in here despite the pretty positive reviews. Bailing out as someone on page 2 mentioned spoilers out already. Excited for my Friday the 5th tickets!

Lol "not quite as good as the first" means "so bad" to a lot of people for some reason

 

[valeo]

That...was disappointing.

It was always going to have to work harder to provide the same laughs as the first as I knew what was coming this time going into it - but the worst critique I can give is that it was almost instantly forgettable as soon as I walked out of the theatre.

It didn't hit any of the marks it went for. The only thing that was better than the first was Baby Groot, who was easily the highlight. Most jokes fell flat. The action wasn't great. Any tension was undercut by predictable, unfunny jokes - resorting to toilet humour etc

It's not that it was a bad movie; it just wasn't anywhere near the first.

I don't think I've ever been so disappointed after been so hyped from a first installment before. Maybe the second Matrix?

Surprisngly I liked the Gamora/Nebula stuff, though - thought that rang true, unlike much of the movie.

 

[black070]

Lol "not quite as good as the first" means "so bad" to a lot of people for some reason

The 'I never liked the first' camp are having a field day.

 

[Blader]

Not sure how to feel about these reviews since I:

a) liked the first one, but was always really perplexed by the "A MODERN CLASSIC" praise around it (then and now).

b) generally like Marvel sequels, except Thor 2 which I've disliked from day one. Yes, I really dig Age of Ultron and think Iron Man 2 is fine even though I get the big issues with that one.


I wonder how the sequel plays for people who liked the first movie but weren't insanely gaga over it.

 

[DerZuhälter]

You know, just because we don't see them casually hanging out (Iron Man 3 post/mid credit scene) on screen doesn't mean that they don't hang out between the movies.

Thor on the other hand though....

 

[MarveI]

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread.

Great friends indeed.
I'm baffled how people can think their relationship, within the MCU, can be even remotely viewed as friends. Guess being a hardcore MCU fan makes you think differently about certain things within the MCU.
I always viewed their relationship as colleagues working together to fight a common goal with a lot of fighting, arguing within. Nothing more nothing less.

 

[Solo]

Seems to be pretty negative in here despite the pretty positive reviews. Bailing out as someone on page 2 mentioned spoilers out already. Excited for my Friday the 5th tickets!

Lol "not quite as good as the first" means "so bad" to a lot of people for some reason

Are you guys actually reading the reviews? The "negativity" isn't because it's not as good as the first, it's because most of these reviews are saying that it feels like less fun retread of the first.

 

[mordecaii83]

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread.

Great friends indeed.

You know, you can be friends with someone and not always get along perfectly...

 

[DeSo]

Are you guys actually reading the reviews? The "negativity" isn't because it's not as good as the first, it's because most of these reviews are saying that it feels like less fun retread of the first.

...What's the difference?

 

[Fezan]

Reading this thread you would think the RT score was sub 70s

This is a mistake with RT an average movie can get 100RT score but it appears it is aperfect movie

 

[wachie]

Didnt like the first one, maybe this one has a shot!

 

[GAMEPROFF]

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread.

Great friends indeed.

Two of these gifs are from when everything was already about to escelate. One of the pictures are from when they meet for the first time. Also, good for you and your friends for never ever disagreeing.

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread

Good idea, since you are wrong.

 

[SpaceWolf]

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread.

A confrontation shortly after the characters literally first met each other, before they became friends....

A sarcastic comment meant in good humour, during a good-natured conversation...

The climatic confrontation in a film that literally revolves around the deterioration of said friendship....

Like, dude are you honestly being serious? Or are you being intentionally obtuse?

 

[Solo]

...What's the difference?

What they could have done:

Make a sequel that did for Cap 1 what The Winter Soldier did - be a fresh, creative, energetic, bold new take on the material that turns everything on its head in the most wonderful way.

What it appears they did:

Sounds like they took sequel 101 approach of bigger, louder, funnier (but not really) and more expensive, and in doing so, lost the essence of what made the first one good.

 

[catashtrophe]

Guardians was my fav film in the MCU so very hyped to see this one.

Will try and watch it on the weekend

 

[Pai Pai Master]

Are you guys actually reading the reviews? The "negativity" isn't because it's not as good as the first, it's because most of these reviews are saying that it feels like less fun retread of the first.

Yeah...The reviews mostly speak pretty positively overall and are noting it attempts to do a lot of what the first movie did but doesn't hit all the same highs as successfully. So it sounds like it's not as good as the first movie but not a huge drop by any means.

 

[Blader]

A confrontation shortly after the characters literally first met each other, before they became friends....

Wasn't Loki's scepter exacerbating the hostilities between characters in that scene too?

 

[DeSo]

Eh, Cap 1 was so average they could only go up from it.

GotG is close to the best Marvel flick, was always gonna be tough to one-up it.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Wasn't Loki's scepter exacerbating the hostilities between characters in that scene too?

You are right.

 

[Nappuccino]

What they could have done:

Make a sequel that did for Cap 1 what The Winter Soldier did - be a fresh, creative, energetic, bold new take on the material that turns everything on its head in the most wonderful way.

What it appears they did:

At least they had a script, which puts it over Iron Man 2. Maybe Gunn will step out of the GotG comfort zone try something a little different for GotG 3.

 

[Haines]

Disappointed to read it's a retread with less fun. Still going to watch it.

I can't say I'm surprised. Making a hit isn't always easy as people assume

 

[black070]

This will be my last post on this subject as it's derailed the thread.

Great friends indeed.
I'm baffled how people can think their relationship, within the MCU, can be even remotely viewed as friends. Guess being a hardcore MCU fan makes you think differently about certain things within the MCU.
I always viewed their relationship as colleagues working together to fight a common goal with a lot of fighting, arguing within. Nothing more nothing less.

Lol, atleast you tried.

 

[OldRoutes]

Seems to be pretty negative in here despite the pretty positive reviews. Bailing out as someone on page 2 mentioned spoilers out already. Excited for my Friday the 5th tickets!

Yeap. So weird. I guess it's because some of the negative reviews are at the top of the OP?

 

[torre_avenue]

The negative reviews are a shame, but I'm still excited for it however. I do wonder though, how much of it is due to the paradigm shift in superhero movies that "Logan" and "Deadpool" spearheaded. I don't want to sound like a crazy MCU fan, but all the Marvel movies have been very cookie cutter with their plots and I'm hoping this means reviewers are calling that out so that Studios can actually change the mold they've cast all their stories in so far.