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Guild Wars 2 |OT2| Funding An MMO Entirely On Quaggan Backpacks
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Hope they're like HoM rewards, infinitely redeemable once you achieve certain thresholds.
Mikey Jr.
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Hey guys, thanks for all the help.
One question.
1. I became a tailor because I want to make inventory bags. I was searching all over Kryta, but I cant find where to make them. Any help? My inventory space is stupidly low.
2. I sent my materials to some collections storage or something. Uhhh, where is that and where do I go to get them back?
3. I can't guild chat. I set up a new tab to /guild say, but every time I try and talk to the guild, the chat says "You are not in a guild" even though I am.
One question.
1. I became a tailor because I want to make inventory bags. I was searching all over Kryta, but I cant find where to make them. Any help? My inventory space is stupidly low.
2. I sent my materials to some collections storage or something. Uhhh, where is that and where do I go to get them back?
3. I can't guild chat. I set up a new tab to /guild say, but every time I try and talk to the guild, the chat says "You are not in a guild" even though I am.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...-guild-wars-2-will-ever-get-an-expansion-pack
I don't know how I feel about this.
Personally, I don't think Colin's "expansions worth of content" ever came true, at lest not in terms of permanent content. If they go this route and never do expansions they need to ramp up permanent content significantly. A jumping puzzle here, an activity there isn't good enough.
IMO they need more permanent content than temporary going forward if this is what they decide to do. We'll see how the second half of the year goes I suppose.
EDIT: Bah, bottom of the page.
I don't know how I feel about this.
Personally, I don't think Colin's "expansions worth of content" ever came true, at lest not in terms of permanent content. If they go this route and never do expansions they need to ramp up permanent content significantly. A jumping puzzle here, an activity there isn't good enough.
IMO they need more permanent content than temporary going forward if this is what they decide to do. We'll see how the second half of the year goes I suppose.
EDIT: Bah, bottom of the page.
Kos Luftar
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Totally agree with you.
I think it looks like they are already heading that way just by comparing the initial Living Story updates the most recent ones.
I just don't think they would be able to open up let's say all of Cantha with one bi-weekly update and if you get just chunks of it over many bi-weeks than I don't know how that will go...I fell like I would prefer the GW1 expansion model but so far ANET has not disappointed me (maybe slightly with useless activities that people play 3 times and never again) so can't wait to read that end of July post from Colin because I think it will shed a lot of light on what is coming in the future.
The 1 major plus this has over the expansion model is that every 2 weeks there is some new content to try, I don't know if I want to wait a whole year for new content.
1. Go to a main city (Lions Arch, Divinity's Reach, The Black Citadel, etc) and search for the Scissors icon on the map. The crafting stations are right there. Presumably you had to talk to an npc to become a tailor so the crafting station should be right by them.
2. It's part of your bank. There are tabs on the left side that allow you to view your normal storage and collections store. Technically you can access your bank from the crafting stations so if you can find that, both problems are solved.
Dunno about the 3rd one.
Pumpkin King
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Make sure you are representing the guild in the guild menu.
Squall ASF
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Don't worry guys, they'll be forced to do a proper expansion. It' hasn't even been a year yet so sure, they don't need to be deeply involved with it atm but the time will come when they need a major expansion of zones/hub city and a race to go with it. People clamor for another class too but that's far less likely. Living Story is a nice idea for adding content in between major updates, but there's no way in hell it's going to placate most gamers in the long run if it can't add the aforementioned content.
The whole "expansions worth of content" thing was clarified by Colin as something the marketing department told the devs to say when talking to people. The devs have gone on record saying they did not want to say that because they knew it wasn't true but it got said once and the damage was done. They knew it wasn't an expansions worth of content but for whatever reason were forced into saying it.
Back on the topic of expansions. I think what they're saying is over say a 1.5 year span, the way they have their company is setup is allowing them to push out what they would have developed for a boxed expansion in 2 week update formats over a long period. So rather than 5 features thrown behind a paywall, they're being developed alongside what the LS team is doing and released as they're ready for no cost to us.
So it probably works like this:
New feature like say the achievement UI revamp and reward systems, rather than holding that for an expansion they're just releasing it in the next update as it is finished. If they go forward with this, the value you will get from the single box copy of this game will surpass everything in gaming, especially if you've played every month since launch.
You have to think, it's very possible they've been working on a new region like say the Crystal Desert but haven't released it since the Living Story isn't there from a story perspective. They did say they want to release new areas in the game with stories that make sense rather than them just turning on and suddenly appearing.
I don't disagree with you, but to be fair to Anet, if this were any other MMO, we wouldn't even see an expansion till next year, with not much additional content in-between. The tradeoff is that instead of getting big permanent content, we're constantly getting content. The whole system has been fairly experimental so far, with Anet constantly stating that the living world is merely "ramping up".
Now, the problem is exactly that: It's been experimental. Some things have worked, others haven't. Quite frankly, I'm not even sure what a lot of their ideas are surrounding the living world. I think part of the problem is that we're literally trained to wait for expansions and the massive world changing events they bring. We want these small updates to mirror that, when it's simply impossible. But that's not the fault of the people playing the game, that's just the nature of trying something really weird and experimental and not having a really clear, user-centric goal behind it.
I think it's pretty obvious that they want to make money off of the gem store, and constant updates pimp out the store and make people "grab things while they can", hence everything being non-permanent. But this isn't a bad thing, since we have gotten a lot of post-release support that you wouldn't have in any other game.
Frankly, I'm of two minds about the whole thing. On one hand I'm absolutely captivated by the premise, but confused by some of the execution. The story surrounding the living world has been totally disappointing, but some of the content has been great. Other things, like grinding to get a lot of the new weapons, feels counter-intuitive to their original goals. In fact, it feels as though the living world was not a concept they had while originally launching the game, since so much of it seems so disconnected from the original content. But a lot of it is perspective, since it is a pretty radical new concept, and I'm not sure we know how to view it yet. But it's Anet job to define that, and I'm nooooot entirely sure they've done the best job of doing that either, since even they seem a tad all over the place about what they want to do.
Either way, it's an interesting experiment, and one that I want to follow. For the record, I haven't spent a single cent on the game past the original amount I paid. If Anet's plan is to get money out of me, they certainly haven't been forceful about it, so I don't get any weird money-grubbing feeling out of any of this. That may change if I start playing the game more (or if they released a 3 pack for the mining tools). I definitely got more content than my 60 bucks was worth, so I can't complain heavily. But yeah, I guess we'll just have to see where the living story goes.
Weltall Zero
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Yep, you have to select (represent) the guild. You also have to do this with each character.
The reason for this is that you can join multiple guilds, and change which one you're representing (getting the benefits of/seeing guild chat) at any time. Also, different characters can represent different guilds.
Right, and they've gone on record saying they're learning about how to do the LS just as much as we are. They're working on getting feedback from us on what we want and don't want and then adjusting accordingly. This is as new for them as it is for us so it will take some time before they can get into a set groove with the exact model people want. They recently heard the cries for more permanent content and have been started to roll that out in the past few releases. It seems that each patch after this point will offer at least one new bit of permanent content alongside any temporary stuff.
My main concern is that they're going to take an expansive elder dragon story, something normally found in an expansion, spread it out over the course of months and have it be temporary content, like the current LS events are.
I completely agree with them moving the world forward (I'd like Orr to slowly heal with fewer risen over time and new, normal mobs and events taking their place), but there's no need to just delete old content that's so important. Take advantage of the Durmand Priory. Have the Priory set up camps or NPCs where the green star for the mission is found, providing some background info on what took place and then letting new players and old players on alts play through the missions after talking to them. Make it clear it's what happened in the past, but let people still play through them.
I'm talking specifically about the elder dragons with this. Anything related to them needs to be in the game forever, IMO. I couldn't care less if the current LS events disappear and can't be played again.
With regards to actual zones, if they can roll out new areas equivalent to Cantha or Elona in size 1-2 zones at a time over the course of a year or so, slowly expanding and building up the story, then by all means. I'd love that, personally. I just hate the idea of major storylines disappearing because it really limits the amount of content I can play through with an alt, especially with the branching nature of the story they've did for the personal story. Though who knows, branching stories may disappear entirely.
I completely agree with them moving the world forward (I'd like Orr to slowly heal with fewer risen over time and new, normal mobs and events taking their place), but there's no need to just delete old content that's so important. Take advantage of the Durmand Priory. Have the Priory set up camps or NPCs where the green star for the mission is found, providing some background info on what took place and then letting new players and old players on alts play through the missions after talking to them. Make it clear it's what happened in the past, but let people still play through them.
I'm talking specifically about the elder dragons with this. Anything related to them needs to be in the game forever, IMO. I couldn't care less if the current LS events disappear and can't be played again.
With regards to actual zones, if they can roll out new areas equivalent to Cantha or Elona in size 1-2 zones at a time over the course of a year or so, slowly expanding and building up the story, then by all means. I'd love that, personally. I just hate the idea of major storylines disappearing because it really limits the amount of content I can play through with an alt, especially with the branching nature of the story they've did for the personal story. Though who knows, branching stories may disappear entirely.
Kos Luftar
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Just so you know all the crafting professions that have to do with making armor can make some kind of storage item (bag, backpack, or supply box, all do the same thing) so I would suggest you pick the crafting profession which makes armors for your profession.
Tailoring (Light armour: Necromancers, Elementalists and Mesmers)
Leatherworking (Medium armour: Engineers, Rangers and Thieves)
Armoursmithing (Heavy armour: Warriors and Guardians)
That's the thing though, the LS teams aren't their only teams and based on what Mike Z said they're a small portion of the entire studio. So it's very possible they've been working on a new storyline that say coincides with the LS release of the Crystal Desert and is a permanent addition to the world alongside the temp LS stuff. The blog post coming at the end of the month will give us some insight as to what is going on.
Yeah, I read that, and I hope that is the case. I think it would be pretty neat if they threw in a main story about another elder dragon that slowly gets released over the year, but still had this smaller LS stuff going on in the background.
Yeah I think it would be cool to see it lead up to the release of say the Crystal Desert (PLEASE ANET, I WANT TO SEE A DESERT ENVIRONMENT IN THIS ENGINE).
Mr_Antimatter
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The game seems to have setups for a lot of future content, I just hope they don't pull a blizzard and abandon parts of it later.
We have solid setups for Jormag and the far shiverpeaks, as well as the crystal dragon, and the destroyers.
We have two dragons completely MIA, though the southsun cover stuff could have been a mild setup for one of them. There are early hints that the jungle dragon will so be awakened, which could be a major event.
We know there is,
. Could tie into the jungle dragon storyline in the future.
Several races have been setup as being possibly future player ones, such as the Tengu, Kodan, and even the Ogres and Quaggan.
I'm really looking forward to seeing where they go from here. So far, none of the living story, outside southsun, have really hinted at anything radical that could be added.
We have solid setups for Jormag and the far shiverpeaks, as well as the crystal dragon, and the destroyers.
We have two dragons completely MIA, though the southsun cover stuff could have been a mild setup for one of them. There are early hints that the jungle dragon will so be awakened, which could be a major event.
We know there is,
another pale tree and sylvari race
Several races have been setup as being possibly future player ones, such as the Tengu, Kodan, and even the Ogres and Quaggan.
I'm really looking forward to seeing where they go from here. So far, none of the living story, outside southsun, have really hinted at anything radical that could be added.
I think the omission of Expansion Packs is great. If they're laying on the number of people they say they are, we could likely see some grandiose stuff. Plus, the changes applied are more malleable to player request over time, not in two year segments. It's downright generous that the game will be so well supported with no fee.
After a particular conversation we had with a couple Anet folk months ago (January patch?), I'm over the moon about any public comments that downplay the need for, existence, or likelihood of a boxed expansion.
The reasons for this are likely to be very opaque for those who weren't sitting in on that chat, and I do not expect the cries of "Yeah, right" to die down from the most diehard fans to the dyed-in-the-wool haters that feel an expansion is going to be announced any day now as an act of desperation.
The short version: these are things we know unless we hear otherwise:
But ultimately, I have every confidence that this is really, really good news. If they truly pull it off, delivering everything up to and including the features found in a boxed expansion to all users for free will mean ArenaNet once again completely shifting the status quo for MMOs of any kind, not just ones without subscriptions (as they have with the pace of their release cycle), and quietly leaving the competition in the dust while forums continue bickering about the same things they would with any other game.
I hope they come through. Already, it's growing more and more feasible to believe. I mean, let's be real here for a second:
Of course it's true that some are more substantial than others, but things are going to get ridiculous real fast. With a release every two weeks for the rest of the year, that would be 21 content releases in the year 2013. The (imminent?) return of the Super Adventure Box along with the potential "flashback Fractals," and continuing storylines of the newer characters (why no Braham and Rox at Dragon Bash??) will lead to very real fan-favorite releases that drive the direction of future ones.
Exciting times.
The reasons for this are likely to be very opaque for those who weren't sitting in on that chat, and I do not expect the cries of "Yeah, right" to die down from the most diehard fans to the dyed-in-the-wool haters that feel an expansion is going to be announced any day now as an act of desperation.
The short version: these are things we know unless we hear otherwise:
- Like the 2-week release timetable before it, this design decision (no boxed expansions) hinges on reaching a certain internal threshold of organizational and financial success. The confidence in these most recent comments really leads me to think they've already met it or are at least on track to do so. This is good for all players.
- A really important aspect of this is that committing to this means that all the features that WOULD ordinarily be a part of an expansion- from stuff we've seen already like new zones, changes to existing zones, new dungeons- all the way up to new skills, continents, classes, and races will be released to all players for free. No features would be gated by an additional monetary cost, for the lifespan of the product. In the simplest terms, I contrast this with a typical P2P model (SWTOR being an easy example). This, in fact, is one of those exceedingly rare cases in which I can say that "not even GW1" pulled this off. In order to use Heroes, you had to have bought SOMETHING other than the first campaign, Prophecies.
- While the instinct might be to think that not having a traditional expansion would limit creativity ("how will they unveil huge, game-changing content for everyone without the scope of a new box to sell?"), the possibilities for this are actually exhilarating if you use your imagination a little bit. Think about an actual plot line you could follow in-game leading up to the reveal of a new profession, or having firsthand knowledge of where major characters, ones that are headliners to newcomers, came from in the first place.
I rolled my eyes as soon as I ever saw those words written down- here's what Colin said most recently:nataku said:
Primarily this was a massive failure from a PR standpoint- something that has never been ArenaNet's strong suit. I could go on for ages about what they choose to include or not include in the description copy on the release highlights pages, leading without fail to distorted expectations.
please hire me
But ultimately, I have every confidence that this is really, really good news. If they truly pull it off, delivering everything up to and including the features found in a boxed expansion to all users for free will mean ArenaNet once again completely shifting the status quo for MMOs of any kind, not just ones without subscriptions (as they have with the pace of their release cycle), and quietly leaving the competition in the dust while forums continue bickering about the same things they would with any other game.
I hope they come through. Already, it's growing more and more feasible to believe. I mean, let's be real here for a second:
Of course it's true that some are more substantial than others, but things are going to get ridiculous real fast. With a release every two weeks for the rest of the year, that would be 21 content releases in the year 2013. The (imminent?) return of the Super Adventure Box along with the potential "flashback Fractals," and continuing storylines of the newer characters (why no Braham and Rox at Dragon Bash??) will lead to very real fan-favorite releases that drive the direction of future ones.
Exciting times.
Squall ASF
Member
If they have a larger LS team that's been working on larger scale content, then maybe they can avoid an expansion but that remains to be seen. I would think NCsoft would be upset on not cashing in on pay wall boxes though.
Personally, I am hoping that someday the living story will evolve or lead up to a huge content dump (example: the Crystal Desert and surrounding areas). I know in GW1 they had the different campaigns, they could even design a new 'personal story' for the new area.
For me there's nothing quite as fun as the unknown - it was so much fun as a newbie because of the knowledge (or rather, the lack of knowledge) about entire chunks of the map that were still unexplored and mysterious.
They can revamp and add new areas gradually as part of the update schedule, but one zone or an instanced story at a time just isn't the same as a nice big serving of 'The Unknown' would be.
Don't get me wrong, I have lots of respect for what they are doing and so far it's been fun. There's just nothing as sexy as a big chunk of unexplored land. One zone just doesn't scratch the itch quite as well.
For me there's nothing quite as fun as the unknown - it was so much fun as a newbie because of the knowledge (or rather, the lack of knowledge) about entire chunks of the map that were still unexplored and mysterious.
They can revamp and add new areas gradually as part of the update schedule, but one zone or an instanced story at a time just isn't the same as a nice big serving of 'The Unknown' would be.
Don't get me wrong, I have lots of respect for what they are doing and so far it's been fun. There's just nothing as sexy as a big chunk of unexplored land. One zone just doesn't scratch the itch quite as well.
Kos Luftar
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I think my main fear, which has yet to be quelled, is that more frequent updates mean less substance. It's like with the weapons that are introduced with each update, everyone rushes after those, only to go after the even newer ones in the next update. The fact that these are temporary means that everyone's going to try to get them, which kind of lessens the impact having all of these other existing weapons.
Now that many of us have leveled up our characters to 80, there is a need for progression. That's the age old debate about endgame content and whether this game has it or not. One of the answers was that you could go for high end loot, on a cosmetic level. But these new updates seem to run counter to that philosophy.
You also run the risk of updates becoming uninteresting just through the sheer volume of them. If people get burned out on just one update, they're less likely to trust any of the others, which DEFINITELY happened with Dragon Bash. Dragon Bash was so underwhelming that it knocked me out of the game for nearly a month, and several of my friends straight up stopped playing altogether. The reasoning is that "oh, we see what this stuff is going to contain, and it's just going to be grind-loot-fest" stuff that we don't need anymore. Especially if none of the changes are permanent, because it feels like no story event is going to have an actual impact.
There's diminishing returns with these updates. We'll see what happens in the next one, as it looks fairly substantial. But at this point, the concepts have been much more interesting than the actual executions. It's not a matter of entitlement. I'm not sitting here saying "we deserve MORE content!" It's all free content, and that's great. But the limitations of short updates are becoming inevitably clear, and it could be dangerous for them in the long run.
This could all just me being burnt out on the game. But if the purpose of these updates is to keep people from being burnt out, sometimes I think the opposite happens. But at the same time I don't know how long I would have continued had they not done that. Like I said before, the whole concept confuses me, and I can't really understand Anet's vision because, understandably, it's overly-optimistic and vague.
Now that many of us have leveled up our characters to 80, there is a need for progression. That's the age old debate about endgame content and whether this game has it or not. One of the answers was that you could go for high end loot, on a cosmetic level. But these new updates seem to run counter to that philosophy.
You also run the risk of updates becoming uninteresting just through the sheer volume of them. If people get burned out on just one update, they're less likely to trust any of the others, which DEFINITELY happened with Dragon Bash. Dragon Bash was so underwhelming that it knocked me out of the game for nearly a month, and several of my friends straight up stopped playing altogether. The reasoning is that "oh, we see what this stuff is going to contain, and it's just going to be grind-loot-fest" stuff that we don't need anymore. Especially if none of the changes are permanent, because it feels like no story event is going to have an actual impact.
There's diminishing returns with these updates. We'll see what happens in the next one, as it looks fairly substantial. But at this point, the concepts have been much more interesting than the actual executions. It's not a matter of entitlement. I'm not sitting here saying "we deserve MORE content!" It's all free content, and that's great. But the limitations of short updates are becoming inevitably clear, and it could be dangerous for them in the long run.
This could all just me being burnt out on the game. But if the purpose of these updates is to keep people from being burnt out, sometimes I think the opposite happens. But at the same time I don't know how long I would have continued had they not done that. Like I said before, the whole concept confuses me, and I can't really understand Anet's vision because, understandably, it's overly-optimistic and vague.
Kos Luftar
Member
I wonder if they have only shown parts of these new armor sets in the screenshots. Hope they mean armor "set" and not just armor "peices" (gloves, helm and shoulders)...they look like they would be awesome as a whole set together.
I bet there is 1 more set for light armor because Radiant is being worn by a Medium armor class and Hellfire by the Heavy armor class.
thoseAREmySHOES
Member
I'm OCD enough about achievements already! >.>
Hmm, going by the rewards, which include laurels, currency, and boosts, it doesn't seem like it's going to be unlimited reward style.
Squall ASF
Member
*Reads new achievement info*
Somebody post that kermit fap gif
Seriously, this was a good idea.
Lunar,
I understand your concerns about LS content and that's why I said expansions would still be required but a few of the guys here have inferred that there is a larger LS team creating that large scale content we crave. Or at least that's what I got from a few comments. It seems plausible enough if they truly want to avoid a boxed expansion. Let's hope the future of LS includes large, meaty story updates with other Elder Dragons and new zones and races
Have to be patient, it's still in the first year.
Somebody post that kermit fap gif
Seriously, this was a good idea.
Lunar,
I understand your concerns about LS content and that's why I said expansions would still be required but a few of the guys here have inferred that there is a larger LS team creating that large scale content we crave. Or at least that's what I got from a few comments. It seems plausible enough if they truly want to avoid a boxed expansion. Let's hope the future of LS includes large, meaty story updates with other Elder Dragons and new zones and races
Have to be patient, it's still in the first year.Spehornoob
Member
Man, I wonder how they can afford to have so much development going on. Is the game really bringing in that much cash?
*Reads new achievement info*
Somebody post that kermit fap gif
Seriously, this was a good idea.
Lunar,
I understand your concerns about LS content and that's why I said expansions would still be required but a few of the guys here have inferred that there is a larger LS team creating that large scale content we crave. Or at least that's what I got from a few comments. It seems plausible enough if they truly want to avoid a boxed expansion. Let's hope the future of LS includes large, meaty story updates with other Elder Dragons and new zones and races
Yeah, I understand that it's early. As I mentioned, it's all highly experimental right now. It's less of a feeling of disappointment, and more of a feeling of confusion.
The added story and lore have been disappointing, however.
So we have two bots. GREAT. Or is Ashodin just another Hawkbot? it is a mystery.
The Hellfire/Radiant armor sets do seem perfect for this, and will most likely be exactly like the HoM rewards. But I'm confused as to how the other stuff, like laurels, currency, and boosts will work.
They said today in the Eurogamer interview that the box sales and gem store sales are enough to sustain their entire development, to the point where they don't need to sell boxed expansions to make money. They're also coming up on a 4 million sales mark 7 months after hitting 3 million.
Sir Garbageman
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I wonder if they ever are going to end up on STEAM or other DD platforms. I'm sure that would be another way for them to generate extra revenue if push came to shove.
Valve takes a cut of microtransaction sales which is the lifeblood of their company so no.
Kos Luftar
Member
I must be the only one that thinks the "core GW2 experience" is perfect already. Colin just make more story and lore and paste it to Guild Wars 2.
Earlier today I was playing and I went to field of ruin on my warrior and decided that every npc that has a unique name I will talk to, and it wa so awesome. Talking to NPCs you learn so much about the lore of the area, dragons the conflicts in the area and they usually kick off events that I never did while map completing on my engineer.
Earlier today I was playing and I went to field of ruin on my warrior and decided that every npc that has a unique name I will talk to, and it wa so awesome. Talking to NPCs you learn so much about the lore of the area, dragons the conflicts in the area and they usually kick off events that I never did while map completing on my engineer.
I would assume it'd be a one time gift for certain levels. Hit 1000 achievement and get 10 laurels or 5 gold or both. Hit 1500 and get 15 more laurels. Probably mostly given at the lower levels or as mini-milestones between skins and such.
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