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Guy accidentally shoots gun off in Target
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What if there was a robbery in progress though?
CloudyTuba
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biggersmaller
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Don't become the next Florida Man. I've known grown ass life long gun owners who would mock "those idiots" that accidentally shoot themselves...then accidentally shoot themselves in the foot.
Almost everyone on my street owns a gun. We are all friends and are share many other common interests. Talking with my Marine neighbor, he nearly all of them lack the proper discipline due to a lack of experience and he fears for their kids safety as some seem to fetishize the idea of gunning down a murderous home invader.
Simply put: if you're walking around with a gun to feel safe in your empty home, please surrender all your weapons at the nearest police station and stick to the internet for your unearned sense of power.
Angelus Errare
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America scares me all the time.
Just because you are legally able to own a weapon, it does not mean you should
Self-defense really should not be a reason if you are 19. I fear you are going to be a statistic soon. You don't own a sidearm because you can, you own it because you might have to kill someone some day - tell yourself that.
I hope it's for the right reason!
Carrying a gun in your pocket is a matter of when, not if, you blow a giant hole in your leg.
Get a fucking holster or give the gun back to your parents.
DudeWithNoName
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Not the Targets by me. And it's not illegal to carry in a place with a no gun sign. If they ask you to leave, you must or you can be charged with trespassing.
Woooowwww...
doctordoak
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I laughed hard
Goddamn is the US fucked up.
Effin A. This is one of the first times I've watched a lengthy youtube ad in full.
The Daily Show - Jordan Klepper: Good Guy with a Gun
Not the funniest segment but it fits in this thread.
The Sig p938 has an external safety.
Which is basically just a small 1911.
Pretty much, minus the grip safety.
Pretty much every building in MN has a "____ bans guns on these premises" sign, meaning you can't bring your guns inside (the MN supreme court said years ago that they had to do this if they didn't want people bringing guns inside. So instead of, you know, it being the default stance, every business has to put a sign up instead).
These idiots get people killed. I've been to that target. And I drive past this house ever day - it's on my block.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=188803445&postcount=238
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=188803664&postcount=241
Maybe, just maybe, we should not let every dick and jane own a gun because things like this can happen? If I was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, I could have been the one hit by this guy's stray bullet, or the stray bullet that killed one of my neighbors.
Your "right" to bear arms ends where my right to not be killed by your potential stupidity begins.
Liberals will cling to anything...
Obviously the USA is a huge gun owning population, so naturally there will be accidents.
Let's ban cars. After all, there is 1000's of car accidents a day...
Seriously though, this guy should lose his right to own a firearm. These are exactly the type of people that shouldn't own guns.
Obviously the USA is a huge gun owning population, so naturally there will be accidents.
Let's ban cars. After all, there is 1000's of car accidents a day...
Seriously though, this guy should lose his right to own a firearm. These are exactly the type of people that shouldn't own guns.
7DollarHagane
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you are potentially at risk of harm or death by the potential stupidity of strangers many
times a day. This kind of arguement only makes sense if you sit at home and never interact with anyone or rely on anyone else for sustenance or utilities.
people who prepare your food, who sell you gas for your car, who drive alongside you on the road, who make sure that natural gas lines don't explode and burn your house down, who make sure your water isn't tained with e.coli, who make sure the stop lights are telling the other cars to stop when you are told to go.
Carrying a gun in target is illegal
having a gun go off in a target is illegal
carrying a loaded gun in your pocket without holster or proper safety precautions should be illegal if it isn't already
Yet, somehow, it still happened. If the gun was also illegal to own maybe something wouldn't happen, but the dumbass already had a pretty good disregard for the law/common sense, so maybe not.
Byakuya769
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I'd definitely be less likely to rob a place where clumsy customers may accidentally shoot me.
Tangled Up in Blue
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Not to mention that if this fictional American dictatorship ever does arise, the amount of high-tech military hardware it will have access to will so outstrip what the average gun-nut enthusiast has, the "revolution" will be over before it even begins. I don't care how many assault rifles you own, your ass is grass when going up against an F-22 Raptor. The Second Amendment was written during a time when the a citizen-led uprising against authority was actually plausible since the most dangerous piece of hardware you were likely to encounter on the battlefield was a horse-drawn cannon. Those days are long, long gone, so the Second Amendment literally serves no purpose anymore.
I know a lot right-wingers have this wet dream about rising up Red Dawn style against the evil forces of Adolf Obama, but if the shit ever really hits the fan, the uprising will last about as long as it takes for predator drone pilot to get bored with toying with them before he turns them into a pothole.
Do you believe that there is no value in the rule of law? or are you just being contrarian for the sake of it?
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Guerrilla warfare has stalemated the United States military several times in the last 60 years. I don't agree with the notion that such a civil war would ever happen but our military really isn't as unstoppable as you're asserting.
Tangled Up in Blue
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That's because the US military (for the most part) tries to minimize civilian casualties and guerrilla fighters often use that fact against them by surrounding themselves with civilians. The US could wipe out ISIS in an afternoon if it wanted, but doing so would require using horrible tactics such a carpet bombing cities and gas weapons, which would result in massive civilian casualties and complete condemnation from the entire world.
If America ever fell into some type of Stalin-esque dictatorship, it would likely have ZERO qualms about wiping out entire neighborhoods and towns in order to crush a rebellion, especially if it felt that those civilian were sympathetic to/supportive of the rebels.
You don't even need to look at that hypothetical - just look at how the public and members of the government responded to shay's rebellion and the whiskey rebellion. Universal condemnation of the perpetrators as a bunch of anti-american radicals.
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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That might work in urban areas but suburban areas are a completely different matter. No matter what right-wing rhetoric suggests, the United States military absolutely could not wipe out ISIS in any realistic amount of time, let alone an afternoon: carpet bombing and nerve gas would only swell their ranks, not quell them.
Regardless, the entire premise is fairly flimsy and is basically a straw-man: most people purchase firearms for sport and home defense and anyone who seriously purchases one to fight against Comrade Obama's FEMA death camps probably isn't going to be reasoned out of that position.
A lot of people in this thread may not agree with your principles, but it's nice that you at least know how to handle a gun safely.
Ayato Kanzaki
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Cars (and others motor-driven vehicles) are necessary. That's why, instead of banning them, we stricly regulate their use, and we enforce those regulations.
Guns in civilian hands, aside from hunting rifles, and not necessary. Only guys with hero complex or paranoid issues think they need to carry around a murder tool to be protected. And yet the regulations are severely lacking, and they aren't really enforced.
Tesseract
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your first declaration is opinion, second is false
if you have a problem with someone, take it to pm
Shao Kahn on the Lawn
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Of the half dozen concealed permit holders I've known, 3 were women and one of those was a rape victim. You'd markedly improve your ability to discuss this situation if you didn't make broad generalizations and assumptions about the people you're disagreeing with.
DontBeThatGuy
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Well, shit, I feel safer.
Tangled Up in Blue
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The US has the ability to escalate any conflict all the way up to and including nuclear weapons, so if the military ever decided to ever go no-holds barred, then yes, they could absolutely kill 90%+ of ISIS fighters on the ground in a shocking amount of time. This would incur horrific civilian deaths on a scale unseen since WWII, which is why they would never do it, but that doesn't change the fact that they COULD do it if they wanted.
And if America ever did unleash its full military might on ISIS, I doubt ISIS would get a lot of new recruits since nobody really wants to volunteer to be the next smoking crater in the ground. ISIS is already having trouble maintaining recruits from the west since life on the front lines turns out not to be nearly as romantic and idealized as those Youtube videos led them to believe, so imagine what watching their comrades being blown to bits would do to their morale.
All I'm pointing out here is that a militia-style organization has almost no realistic chance against a military force the size and breadth of the Americans, especially in a theoretical dictatorship scenario where there is little-to-no concern for civilian casualties. This is why whenever someone tells me that the Second Amendment is the only thing "keeping us free," I know that that person has not really considered what a civilian uprising would actually look like. We can debate whether or not we should continue to keep the Second Amendment all day, I'm just trying to point out that the original reason for including the Second Amendment in the Bill of Rights is no longer a valid concern in 2015.
I absolutely agree, which is why it drives me crazy when someone like Alex Jones holds up the Second Amendment as the only thing keeping Obama from declaring himself Emperor for Life. If Obama really wanted to do that, there's not a whole lot a bunch of white guys in Bumfuck, Texas are going to be able to do to stop him, Second Amendment or not.
SolicitorPirate
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Do note that gun control is only a liberal issue in America. in Australia, it was a conservative government that enacted gun control.
D0hv, you're a brightly shining example on why the world needs regulations on gun ownership. Most responsible gun owners are willing to actually discuss on improving the gun situation, yet underage backwater know-it-alls without any sense of responsibility like you set everyone back again. Good job.
Pro-tip, you're NOT one of the good guys if you can't even carry your gun with a modicum of safely.
Pro-tip, you're NOT one of the good guys if you can't even carry your gun with a modicum of safely.
Azure Dream
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Thatsbait.jpg, but anyway...
Speaking of cars, one of the big reasons I'm for self-driving cars is that once the kinks are worked out, they're going to be about 1000x safer than people driving, Especially for routine commutes where the person is likely to get bored or distracted or agitated or sleepy or anything of that nature. Not to mention that we as humans don't really have full 360 degree sight around us at all times.
But more importantly, cars exist to serve a function that is not killing, that is not their primary goal. So if you can ride your gun to work (and not a funny gun-shaped car, a physical gun), you might have a sliver of an argument! But guns usually don't do anything but shoot with intent to injure or kill, and it's usually the latter. And even if the intent to kill isn't there, they often do just that anyway. If you live in an area where you deal with wild animals (real ones, not racists calling other human beings that), you might have a reason to have a gun for protection. But if you live in suburbia, or the city... I don't think bear attacks are common enough to justify them.
So you're arguing for keeping your murder stick because you might get to use it on another human one day, possibly for "good" reasons.
Sure is the same as a car.
No bro, cars have killed far to many people and are in the hands of far to many dumb people. Do you understand the murderous rampage one could go on in a motor vehicle?
USA should ban all cars (leaving the police, government and of course the elite exempt) and make all us civilian nobody's to ride horse back. After all horses are safer and less scary.
That black assualt vehicle is pretty scary right?
There is a certain amount of irony here coming from a poster with a DBZ avatar.
I think you oversaw the part about the purpose of a car.
But even leaving that aside, as you are comparing them, it is noteworthy that cars ARE regulated. Yet guns aren't. Why?
appaws
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I've had a lot of training. I shot competitively, and while by no means was I a grand master at least you learn to operate your weapon in a safe and effective manner. Respect for the deadly nature of a firearm and a no tolerance policy for breaking safety rules is something I have observed at every decent gun club I have been to.
I often wish more gun owners would get some serious training. I will admit something to you all right now, this is an area where my (obviously) strong libertarian leanings sometimes "grind" against other ideas I have. I like training, and I think most people need it. I admire some things about the system of civilian armament maintained by the Swiss. (Although I hear they are tightening it up recently) People need to learn respect for guns and the harm they can inflict. I think this was more common when we were more rural and "dear old dad" taught you how to hunt and shoot when you were a kid.
The guy in the OP was obviously not trained properly. (Or if he was, he is just a fuck) Carrying a weapon is serious business and a real commitment. It is not just a matter of throwing a gun in your pocket.
Perfect Blue
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Would a gun even help in a rape situation though?
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