Gwent - Open Beta Thread: Not bad, not bad at all
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Fuck these salty ass players. Just beaten Saskia+Roach+Eithne starter, and guess what. No GG.
Last round I disabled their Ragnarok by Aglais resurrecting their Last Wish to spawn a Clear Weather. It can't get any cooler. Dude was trying to weather control me pretty hard through the game, but didn't suceed.
On the other hand, I tried a Frost Monster deck, but I just don't fell comfortable doing that. It's 0 fun and still not a guaranteed win. Staying with ST for now.
Last round I disabled their Ragnarok by Aglais resurrecting their Last Wish to spawn a Clear Weather. It can't get any cooler. Dude was trying to weather control me pretty hard through the game, but didn't suceed.
On the other hand, I tried a Frost Monster deck, but I just don't fell comfortable doing that. It's 0 fun and still not a guaranteed win. Staying with ST for now.
If you hover over the card it should pop up explaining what each of the terms mean.
But for those ones:
Deploy - When you play the card from your hand.
Brave - When you play the card and it would keep you at a disadvantage in overall power.
Strengthen - Increase base power of the card (persists throughout game).
Open beta is basically the full version minus the single player. What you earn here is what you get at "release."
The only way I know of is to hover over the card for a it and the descriptions will come up.
But Deploy means when you play the card.
Brave means an effect will activate if your losing the game in total strength points after playing the bard..
Strengthen means that the cards base strength will go up.
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I wasn't too bothered with the new weather at first, but after playing a bunch it is kind of tiring to see pretty much everyone just randomly having shoved in a bunch of weather cards into their deck now.
TheSadRanger
Banned
I just reached lvl 10 and placed rank 5 in ranked.
It doesn't work like that, because you still get matched with players who played in the closed beta who are still similar player levels in the open beta for casual.
How you can tell this is by their borders because they keep the borders on their avi's that they had in CB. So even though you can't play ranked until lvl 10 in casual you will face opponents who have rank 15+ borders who achieved them in CB.
edit: I also didn't get shit from my free kegs either ;_; I really discourage people from spending money on card packs in this game.
It doesn't work like that, because you still get matched with players who played in the closed beta who are still similar player levels in the open beta for casual.
How you can tell this is by their borders because they keep the borders on their avi's that they had in CB. So even though you can't play ranked until lvl 10 in casual you will face opponents who have rank 15+ borders who achieved them in CB.
edit: I also didn't get shit from my free kegs either ;_; I really discourage people from spending money on card packs in this game.
Closed Beta.
toastyToast
Member
I should have focused on one deck. More or less wasted the 2.5k scrap I started with. Is Vattier still needed for reveal deck? Don't particularly like him too much and I'd kind of feel ripped off crafting him for 800 when he used to be 2
Bonhart seems like a beast the few times I've run into him
Bonhart seems like a beast the few times I've run into him
Not while in the mulligan screen, which is a huge problem. You can't "zoom" the card to get more information.
Play ranked. Honestly, I play against NG probably the least amount of times. Monsters is slightly ahead but after that, everything is pretty much even.
Thanks for the help. I thought it was something to do with being alone on the board or alone in a certain row.
Shadow Broker
Banned
Can you have duplicate gold carda in the same deck?
No, but you can use another gold card to revive them called Renew.
Darkstorne
Member
It is incredibly frustrating. Every player I'm going up against this weekend has a silver or gold border around their portrait, meaning they did pretty damn well in CB, meaning they have literally hundreds more cards than I do. Presumably we'll go through the same thing when the game releases: all players grinding up to level 10, so new players getting royally screwed over and losing the vast majority of their games. It's going to result in some really bad feedback during the first two weeks of the game launching, which might be a minor PR nightmare given that's the most important period for a game.
I think once we're past this two week period it'll be fine though. The majority of level 1-10 players will be brand new to the game, playing against each other in fair matchups. Mostly fair anyway, some will still drop hundreds of dollars on card kegs before they even get to ranked, but that should be rare. And same deal with NG and Weather decks: those should be balanced out long before the game launches for real. NG is disgusting right now, but ambush ST and consume Monsters were back in CB and they sorted those out nicely. Will just take time to balance.
My advice to new players: avoid weekends at the moment. You will play against people with full decks and months (a year even) of experience, losing almost every single match. Peak times will hurt bad and won't be much fun, but in a couple of weeks this should all pass and return to normal.
Shadow Broker
Banned
I'm doing my part. I'm trying to get this carnivorous Monster deck to work on a constant basis.
Thanks for the heads up.
New Players shouldn't play in general until CD Project Red says they're going to segregate the closed-beta players with 100+ cards from the actual player base for a good year or two to let the newer players catch up.
#salt
that weren't me, who waited for the wipe
Darkstorne
Member
It is annoying at the moment, but as soon as the players with all these kegs hit Ranked play at level 10 it won't be an issue. They'll climb the ladder super fast, and new players will be happy facing other new players in 1-10 casual matches.
I really think it's only level 1-10 casual play that will be the issue, and even then only for about two or three weeks after a reset. Honestly they could solve this with relative ease by promoting anyone who reached level 10 in the beta to be instantly level 10 after a wipe.
Updated my deck:
http://gwentify.com/decks/ves-trio/
http://www.gwentdb.com/decks/18747-ves-trio
Switched out Sile for Dethmold, sometimes Sile would just be a dead card since I only have 3 specials in my deck so could be bad sometimes. Plus Dethmold is also a 3 and also gets buffed by the Sergeants! And he's my third clear skies when I need it.
Also switched out Reinforced Trebuchets and put in Temerian Infantryman. Since they are also 3 and get buffed, are agile AND thin. Which helps out since I lost a thin with Sile out.
Main faction I have problem with is ST spell deck so far.
They announced the rewards months ahead of time. I got 108 kegs and really don't have that many cards as I thought I would. I had a full collection in closed beta, now I can only really play 2 factions decently. But sure, blame it on not having enough cards if that makes you feel better. Nobody will have a full collection for weeks unless they pay a lot, and that's the same for every card game where you can buy packs. Maybe you should go back to Hearthstone where you get all those free packs for hours of gameplay!
http://gwentify.com/decks/ves-trio/
http://www.gwentdb.com/decks/18747-ves-trio
Switched out Sile for Dethmold, sometimes Sile would just be a dead card since I only have 3 specials in my deck so could be bad sometimes. Plus Dethmold is also a 3 and also gets buffed by the Sergeants! And he's my third clear skies when I need it.
Also switched out Reinforced Trebuchets and put in Temerian Infantryman. Since they are also 3 and get buffed, are agile AND thin. Which helps out since I lost a thin with Sile out.
Main faction I have problem with is ST spell deck so far.
They announced the rewards months ahead of time. I got 108 kegs and really don't have that many cards as I thought I would. I had a full collection in closed beta, now I can only really play 2 factions decently. But sure, blame it on not having enough cards if that makes you feel better. Nobody will have a full collection for weeks unless they pay a lot, and that's the same for every card game where you can buy packs. Maybe you should go back to Hearthstone where you get all those free packs for hours of gameplay!
I wanna know if what just happened to me is a glitch or is supposed to happen
I was playing soiacal and had the silver dwarf card that has +7 STR and gives resilience and for every dwarf you get +1 to his STR
So I was playing a monster deck and he used the lock on my dwarf, so I use the demetrium shackles and unlock my dwarf, but at the end of the round he didn't stay for the next round.
When he got locked he lost resilience, but I lifted the lock from him, so why did he go away at the end of the round? Bug or it was meant to be like that? Because if it was meant like that then that is bullshit and what is the point of unlocking something then?
I lost that match cause I wasted my cards buffing the dwarf and then went into next round with no cards and no nothing
I was playing soiacal and had the silver dwarf card that has +7 STR and gives resilience and for every dwarf you get +1 to his STR
So I was playing a monster deck and he used the lock on my dwarf, so I use the demetrium shackles and unlock my dwarf, but at the end of the round he didn't stay for the next round.
When he got locked he lost resilience, but I lifted the lock from him, so why did he go away at the end of the round? Bug or it was meant to be like that? Because if it was meant like that then that is bullshit and what is the point of unlocking something then?
I lost that match cause I wasted my cards buffing the dwarf and then went into next round with no cards and no nothing
Sounds like your mistake is thinking closed beta gave preferential treatment. You realize those of us in it already had to do the scrape together bad RNG packs thing already right?
The game wasn't even announced a year ago. I imagine the most that existed was a barebones version that mimicked Witcher 3 gwent which isn't even close to the same game we are playing today.
Also lol at 100s more cards then you. You do realize we had to start from scratch too right? I got a fuck ton of kegs at the start of open beta so I had a slight advantage, I'm aware but I'm already bottomed out on scraps and wanting to play different decks but am just unable to.
Also, levels aren't getting reset anymore, this is the release.
PS4 only had 1 weekend to test it out yea. No full beta.
Complistic
Member
This will happen naturally over time as veterans progress easily in ranked play.. Just give it a couple weeks.
I am just curious but when was the PS4 closed beta? I was only aware of the xbox and PC. Was it recent? Cause I am sure the closed beta came out for xbox and pc first since last year I think? I am guessing PS4 closed beta was earlier this year?
I saw a lot of people saying this so I decided to craft it and put it in my weather deck. Waste of scraps, the only bullshit is how weak it is unless you run into a scrub who isn't holding clear skies.
WaterAstro
Member
I can't even install this game!
GOG Galaxy keeps telling me to find the installation for some older version of Microsoft Visual minimum runtime, and I don't have it because I have newer versions. wtf
GOG Galaxy keeps telling me to find the installation for some older version of Microsoft Visual minimum runtime, and I don't have it because I have newer versions. wtf
I hope so. I don't blame people who played in the closed beta, but cd projekt for getting greedy to charge money in the closed beta. If new players keep getting crushed there will be no new player base for this game.
TimeEffect
Member
Gold weather cards should be single-lane permanent.
Unremovable by anything, and balanced out by not being an insane 3 lane swing
Unremovable by anything, and balanced out by not being an insane 3 lane swing
Yea it's not that great. Too many counters, you can pass, clear skies and row stack to counter it. Usually only get 6/9 damage out of it. If lucky, maybe 12/15. For a gold that's not that great.
I'm using it in my main deck, but think I might craft Dandelion and use him instead. Just waiting to decide because of scraps.
Even if your opponent immediately clears it with clear skies, you're still up 6 to 9 points. And since your opponent had to spend his turn using clear skies instead of playing something else, that makes RNR essentially equivalent to a 14-17 point gold card (since the baseline for bronze cards is 8 points) - not the greatest for a gold, but still pretty good. So even if you immediately get countered, you still get pretty good value out of it. If you don't, you basically just win the round outright.
And that's the main problem really. Clear skies doesn't counter shit. Gold weather is basically no risk, extremely high reward so it just feels like total bullshit.
A gold card weather is a 9 points swing, this is weak, and all you have to do is to use a bronze card in response.
I will add that you can have 3 clear sky while there is only 2 gold weather, your clear sky is not even a dead card if the opponent has no weather, and you have single lane weather removal + displacement tools + how you decide to stack your rows to manage classic weather.
Weather is annoying to play against / with, but I dont think it is out of control at all. As usual, the game is 5 days old in its current state, that's really a bad idea to jump to conclusion (and maybe I am wrong about weather cards).
I'm inclined to agree that weather is in a much better state than it was in closed beta.
If you thought Monsters weather is annoying now, then you were not a closed beta participant. The fact that there are several cards, especially mages, that counters weather makes it relatively easy to counter.
There are much worse combos out there that can ruin your day.
If you thought Monsters weather is annoying now, then you were not a closed beta participant. The fact that there are several cards, especially mages, that counters weather makes it relatively easy to counter.
There are much worse combos out there that can ruin your day.
That's not the point. They announced a wipe for closed beta. Why the hell would you get more than their avatar, maybe 1-2 kegs as "thanks" for playing in the closed beta when they said they were going to wipe all progress?
Again: At this point (when you give some players 100+ kegs) you might as well have not bothered with doing a wipe and just let closed-beta players with thousands of hours keep their collection and MMR so they wouldn't be stomping newer players dry.
Also good try fishing for me playing other card games and lumping me in with Hearthstone, which I have never fucking played outside of two rounds and uninstalling. Gwent players standard insult for people that have natural nitpicks with the game, I see.
It's the same shit with Rocket League's seasons and I hate it there when it happens as well.
But I stick with unranked in general because I hate the competitive rat race there, especially as a solo player that will be facing full parties
TimeEffect
Member
You need to use a Clear Skies, which is what is annoying. You need to carry around Clear Skies right now in order to respond to Drought + RGR combos which certainly exist.
There really shouldnt be a reason people should be carrying 2-3 Clear Skies. It feels like a must-have card right now.
It feels like a pretty boring meta with RGR and then responding with Clear Skies, or suffering greatly for it. You pretty much are going to lose if you dont respond to gold weather cards like RGR.
Now, Ive been able to play just fine against RGR + Drought with a Nilf deck because I can redeploy and greatly boost strength.
But I still had to carry Clear Skies to clear out RGR because its effect was ridiculous if not challenged.
I think Gold Weather cards would be much better balanced if they were permanent and affected one row. It would require less Clear Sky responses, yet Clear Skies would still be effective against normal weather decks that now have a lot of flexibility.
For the record, bronze weather is definitely in a great spot. Though I greatly miss how it affected both sides. It's weird seeing Ice Giants and Foglets, but they arent in fog or ice, and just happen to have a boost because the other side has it.
Because we put in hundreds of hours? Why is that so hard to understand for you? I got like 80 kegs for my level (which is time played) and rank (skill). Bought the rest so I could re-open them. Most people only got like 10-30 kegs. Which is nothing.
Also you seem to not even agree with yourself. You say kegs are shit, I got 100+ kegs and am not even CLOSE to half a collection, so what's the difference between me and you? I start out with some more cards but I paid for 30 of them. If they didn't do a wipe I'd have all cards, now I have like 30%. You'd complain either way seems like.
You were the one that were mentioning Hearthstone first and comparing rewards.
Anyway, gonna put you on ignore list. You're not nitpicking, you're just bitching and complaining for pages now. This game is not for you. But I'm done talking about it.
No, the value is 9 points at most if you clear it right away. It's a shit gold card that only works if they can't clear it right away. Does that happen, yes. Do I want that card in my deck? Not really.
So this won't come out at a later date as version 1.0 or anything?
Also, they never said they were wiping all progress? The official response was always that people would be compensated in kegs if a wipe happened (because it was an if at first). I'm sorry that you didn't pay attention but that doesn't somehow make it the closed beta player's faults.
Yeah, there will be a 1.0 and probably a 2.0 at some point too. They aren't wiping progress anymore though so I don't see how that matters.
The following sequence:
- You play RNR, hit for 9
- opponent counters with clear sky
- You're now 9 points ahead
is equivalent to:
- You play a 17 point vanilla gold
- Opponent plays an 8 point vanilla bronze
- You are now 9 points ahead
That's why it's essentially equivalent to a 14-17 point gold even if countered right away. 17 points is hardly what I'd call shit - there are definitely better gold cards out there, but a card that wins you the round by itself should have a stronger drawback it if gets immediately countered.