Karl was quickly shot down with that post because all he focused on was the cold hard stats instead of considering the entire picture. For example, not placing the Grenade Launcher in spots where there's absolutely 0 combat flow (ie: the shower of Powerhouse).
Proof.
Is this you just thinking this or do you have something substantial to provide?
Of course it's related because you said something about that weapon not lending itself well to players, which I'm challenging by asking if you're just listening to what 343 tells you or are you witnessing these things with your own eyes (people actually complaining about the weapon being crap and how it should be removed from future Halo games, which in reality we've all seen the opposite..)?
Also, one huge area you're failing to acknowledge here is that the Grenade Launcher has other uses than just killing people, something many other people pointed out when those "stats" were broken out. It has an EMP, so it's used to stop vehicles and strip shields. It can be triggered manually so you can use it to lock down positions. It requires a level of finesse to it because you have to lead your shots and take into account map geometry, so when you land a difficult shot it feels very rewarding. The list continues as to why the Grenade Launcher deserves a spot in the weapon sandbox and it's strange to see people defend something that doesn't tell the entire story, in this case those stats being the main reason as to why it was removed instead of improved.
Improve > Remove
And I'll challenge this by asking you again what people? Who? Where are you seeing people saying that the Grenade Launcher isn't a fun weapon to use? Because all I've ever seen was how shocked people were to see one of the best inclusions in Reach get axed for Halo 4.
Halo 3 'nades were garbage and should never return IMO. CE grenades on the other hand.. Powerful, longer fuse time, bouncy -> effective grenades. Combine that with a faster, more responsive strafe, a jump height that actually feels like a jump (unlike Reach's abysmal jump, sluggish walk speed + crazy strong grenades), and faster movement speed. Also, possible Thrusters B]
I know I'm a bit late on responding to this, but I want to address a few things. First, I like the grenade launcher and I want it to come back. I've wanted it in the next Halo game since
before you even signed up here(I can't even find the original version that I posted, it's that old). My specifics for that picture have changed, but the overall idea largely remains the same, and I still want to see the Pro Pipe again.
Next, in the now eternally jpeg'd post, I wasn't defending the removal of the launcher. I was defending Frank's reasoning that it wasn't used that much versus your claim that it was removed because it was fun to use. Now I have an even larger sampling of data and I can still see why Frank's is a valid claim. Yes, I ignored the fact that it had an EMP; That was my fault. But you can still use the data and include EMPs. Reach distributes EMPs after kills and assists. So, assuming that every EMP medal awarded came from a grenade launcher(which we know not to be the case), there still is only an EMP rate of 1.50%. As for the kill stats, it sits at around 0.68% of total kills. Deaths represent the rest of the population (as that is who the data is going up against), and that number is even lower at 0.47%. My numbers are publicly available if you want to calculate them yourself.
Next you say that I was only looking at the numbers instead of the full picture. That is true, because that is the crux of the argument. When you say a weapon isn't being used, there is only one thing to look at, and that is straight up how often it is being used. My data includes stuff in the "competitive" lists, which included everything but Arena, Campaign, Firefight, and Invasion. That means it has everything from MLG to Action Sack. In the end, you can argue why it isn't being used(I'm fine with that, it's a good discussion), but you cannot argue that it wasn't used.
Lastly, people defended my post because it was evidence. It was hard data that people could use, understand, and analyze. I made a claim and I backed that claim. Was it perfect? No, I even stated above that I forgot about the EMP. So far, you have provided little, if any evidence for your claims. The front page of this site says "This is a neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful moderation." I provided the facts and evidence. I didn't do it in a civil manner, but I'll admit it was a vain attempt to scare you into posting fewer baseless statements or post more with actual, legitimate evidence. So hopefully this is a more civil way to get you to see this.
I apologize for not posting about Halo 4 in here, and for bringing general HaloGAF crap into this thread. I'm out until I have something on topic to contribute to in this thread.
