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Halo 4 |OT2| TURBO

TheOddOne

Member
Dutch aspect?
All people from Holland look like Mads Mikkelsen. Those 'amercu folk be mad and jelly.

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BigShow36

Member
Ohhhhh, what was SAID; which was PR double talk where they essentially revealed nothing about what it means.

Microsoft just added a bunch of bullshit DRM, you honestly expect them to have a system where you can share games with all your friends with no restrictions?

"Used games are bad, but lets give you full access to all of your friends library!" Definitely sounds legit.

PS3 when it launch had a similar system that was a disaster for them. It's not happening like you think it is.

All Sony did was say that THEY weren't restricting used games... and then during the thunderous applause coughed under their breath that it would be up to the developers to decide. I.E., it's going to be very similar to MS's policies. You think a developer will choose to allow their games be freely distributed on the used market on one console but not the other?

Sony simply avoided the issue and isn't denying what gamers are filling in on their own.
 

Gui_PT

Member
All Sony did was say that THEY weren't restricting used games... and then during the thunderous applause coughed under their breath that it would be up to the developers to decide. I.E., it's going to be very similar to MS's policies. You think a developer will choose to allow their games be freely distributed on the used market on one console but not the other?

Sony simply avoided the issue and isn't denying what gamers are filling in on their own.

You talking about this?


Makes sense for the developers to decide how used games will work online
 
Let me start by saying that Bumper Jumpers in SWAT are using the game's built-in systems, in a perfectly legal and viable manner. They are using legitimate functionality and technique to play a very specific mode, in a very specific way.


When they do this as a team, the results are impressively one-sided. They can achieve excellent results as players from non bumper jumper teams scramble to adjust to this new aerial threat.

But let me also say this:




YOU SCUM THIS IS HALO NOT SMASH BROTHERS

I am a trained killa in swat. Love owning. LOVE IT!
 

Fuchsdh

Member
All Sony did was say that THEY weren't restricting used games... and then during the thunderous applause coughed under their breath that it would be up to the developers to decide. I.E., it's going to be very similar to MS's policies. You think a developer will choose to allow their games be freely distributed on the used market on one console but not the other?

Sony simply avoided the issue and isn't denying what gamers are filling in on their own.

Pretty much. The fundamental difference is that Microsoft appears to be offering more control at the console level for locking that stuff out, whereas on PS4 the publishers or developers will have to produce their own solution.

I suppose you could argue that MS "makes it easy" to be anti-consumer or whatnot, but I think that's a laughable thought. The people who are going to restrict used games are the people who are going to restrict used games, console capabilities be damned. The question is really if gamers actually vote with their wallets if a publisher implements the tech on either console.

Of all the complaints about the Xbox, the used game one is one of the more odd ones to rage about since it's not much of a status quo shift aside from that they are pushing the Steam-like digital aspect (which was in this gen too.)
 

FyreWulff

Member
On plane back home now. Played more assault. I guess the surfaces I used behaved later on as the frame rate was a lot more stable.

Pls port spark toolset to next halo map maker kthnx
 
So was it ever explained why clans never made it into the game ?

I still want to know what "groups" were, they were advertised during the presales as "create, manage and track groups". I've asked around at Waypoint but there's no official response, perhaps they were meant to be clans but got cut or left unfinished?
 

Tawpgun

Member
I still want to know what "groups" were, they were advertised during the presales as "create, manage and track groups". I've asked around at Waypoint but there's no official response, perhaps they were meant to be clans but got cut or left unfinished?
Much like a lot of the game
 

Fotos

Member
On plane back home now. Played more assault. I guess the surfaces I used behaved later on as the frame rate was a lot more stable.

Pls port spark toolset to next halo map maker kthnx

Spark looks really fun. Seems like a nice chill game to play with friends.
 
So, Halo 5 is going to work with the Oculus Rift right?

First-person God of War III with Oculus Rift support. Vomit to pause the game.

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Oh, and crossposting from the other thread. What's a good weapon that could benefit from ignoring player shielding, but still be balanced? Doesn't have to be native to the Halo series.
 
Looks like the TU bump is starting to fall.

Shame there's no competitive core group backing this game cause they didn't bother giving a shit about them!
 

Madness

Member
Not going to lie, after E3 I just don't want to play my 360 anymore.
No games sound like fun to me.

Lol, I'm the opposite. After like two years of lethargic play, I'm pumped to play video games again. They were almost a chore for some reason. Like I'd buy them and then not really play them. Since Christmas 2011 to now, I'd only played Mass Effect 3, Halo 4, and the Walking Dead, with Halo:Reach up till launch.

The past week, I've been playing Red Dead Redemption, Arkham City and Assassins Creed 3. I'm one of those players, that when I play, I have to play for hours and 'get into the zone'. If I stop playing for a little bit or something interrupts my playtime like a date, school, work etc. Then I won't get back into it for weeks or months lol.

I'm thinking about seriously not getting anything at launch now and stocking up on games I never bought or played during sales.

I'm hearing TitanFall is a spring 2014 release, and so I don't know if I want XbOne just for Dead Rising 3. I'm thinking I'll pick one up during the launch of TitanFall and Destiny or something.
 

FyreWulff

Member
I never did understand that partnership. We've had one event I think that involved winning a truck in public matchmaking.

Money. MLG abandoned sustain on their playlists in about the same timeframe as Virgin did, people just noticed it less.

Throwdown being unbranded is much better as it actually gets sustain updates outside of advertising seasons. The hardcore community can actually get the playlist updated, whereas before MLG wouldn't even let the hardcore community submit new maps to their playlist even after abandoning it.

Spark looks really fun. Seems like a nice chill game to play with friends.

I'd be interested to see how far the brain programming goes, exposed to the user
 
On plane back home now. Played more assault. I guess the surfaces I used behaved later on as the frame rate was a lot more stable.

Pls port spark toolset to next halo map maker kthnx

This is the first thing that popped into my mind when they were demoing it.
 

IHaveIce

Banned
Not going to lie, after E3 I just don't want to play my 360 anymore.
No games sound like fun to me.
Same for me, I still played Halo on a regular basis before E3, now I just think about Titanfall and Destiny and have no fun with any of my games.

EXcept Dark Souls, one of the only games I play right now
 
>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam's model requires a limited used game model.

>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam... You can login anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)

>It's a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it's growing pains at the beginning with all it's drm shit as well. [...] For digital downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on 4chan too...) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.

>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can't get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first person more. [...] If we say "Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$" that is a decent model... Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game purchases, compared to just first now? That's a revenue increase.

>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we'd be way worse off today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :)

2/4

>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like "Well played Sony, Well played". That being said they are just riding the hype train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to not find that disc your brother didn't put back... [...] just simpleminded people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all "U TOOK R DISCS" and they hiveminded.

>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.

>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target, Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current consoles, or a PS4. We're TRYING to move the industry forwards towards digital distribution... it'sa bumpy road

>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer, you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we'll see if it works in the coming years

>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living room TV with an XBox on input one. It's the thing that gives the signal to your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand / voice gestures... That's our goal.


3/4

>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv tv tv tv... but it's fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1 look like a childs toy.

>By default it's on, listening for "Xbox On". You can turn it off tho, and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can't just unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.

>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day. And if you don't. Don't buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn't have a broadband connection don't get Live, and if you don't have an HDTV the 360 isn't that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have internet, etc.

>Current plan is basically you're fucked after 24 hours. Yeah... I know. Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or find a diff way to "call in" to ensure you haven't sold your license to gamestop or something... but there is no plan YET. I'm hoping the change it, but I don't work on that so I don't have much influence there /sigh

>If the power goes out you ain't playing shit. I'm assuming you mean the internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You're fucked for single player games. Again, that's the PoR (Plan of record), but I expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck

>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.


4/4

>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do. Anything that doesn't need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms delays can be shifted to the cloud. That's huge.

>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2 finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV... it's that. The tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their profiles magically switch. It's sick. What does this matter? Now if you lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all int he same room. It's awesome.

>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require per frame calcuations. It's pretty sweet.

>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 > PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.

This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.

>It's not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A, 40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want.

Source
 

Gui_PT

Member
Wow, everything they did that he considers good is them pushing the envelope and being geniuses

Stuff that fucks with the consumer? "yeah, that sucks"
 
Oh shit, just realized something. One of the twelve Herculean labors was to slay the Nemean lion; it was too strong to kill in a conventional fight, so Hercules had to strangle it. In ancient times, humanity and the Didact were enemies, and humans ultimately weakened the Didact's army enough to fall victim to the Flood. So what's the first thing the Didact does when he sees humanity again?

He tries to strangle it.

I wonder if Davidge named his theme Nemesis on purpose.
 
That MS Engineer finally put into words MS's general strategy with the X1. They are really trying to push the envelope in the console space. It's a HUGE gamble though. If it takes off it will really be a game changer. That's a huge if though.
 
Money. MLG abandoned sustain on their playlists in about the same timeframe as Virgin did, people just noticed it less.

Throwdown being unbranded is much better as it actually gets sustain updates outside of advertising seasons. The hardcore community can actually get the playlist updated, whereas before MLG wouldn't even let the hardcore community submit new maps to their playlist even after abandoning it.



I'd be interested to see how far the brain programming goes, exposed to the user

Ugh yea thats wrong, MLG updated Halo and their versions at least 6 times in Halo 3 and Reach. Edited maps, tournaments with prize money.

N that wasnt even an exclusive deal they signed, that was just as Halo fans for Halo fans.

They didnt let users submit maps because they made their own maps which were miles ahead of anything seen in Halo, sans Simplex which was probably made by an MLG map creator. When you let users submit maps you end up with shit like Serenity with terrible framerates and maps like Craigmire in MM.

I understand you have some vendetta against MLG for some reason. However there is absolutely no way Virgin Gaming is doing a better job for Halo. Halo 4 has practically no hardcore pro gamers backing it anymore besides Ninja who basically at this point just wants to be hired by 343i and is promoting Halo for his own gain.
 
Oh shit, just realized something. One of the twelve Herculean labors was to slay the Nemean lion; it was too strong to kill in a conventional fight, so Hercules had to strangle it. In ancient times, humanity and the Didact were enemies, and humans ultimately weakened the Didact's army enough to fall victim to the Flood. So what's the first thing the Didact does when he sees humanity again?

He tries to strangle it.

I wonder if Davidge named his theme Nemesis on purpose.

It's more like humans put up a better fight than they thought they would. They could have easily destroyed us all like they did prior enemies, but Librarian be all like "nuh uh, bro, not cool." Didact's army and the rest of the Forerunners fell victim because of in-fighting, deception, brainwashed AIs, and arrogance. Precursors basically just made the Forerunners pay for being complete dicks for thousands of years.
 
It's more like humans put up a better fight than they thought they would. They could have easily destroyed us all like they did prior enemies, but Librarian be all like "nuh uh, bro, not cool." Didact's army and the rest of the Forerunners fell victim because of in-fighting, deception, brainwashed AIs, and arrogance. Precursors basically just made the Forerunners pay for being complete dicks for thousands of years.

But the parallels! The Nemean lion has an an impenetrable hide, and what does Chief do upon seeing Didact? Hide!
 
This guy needs a job explaining shit to everyone. The PR blunders have been ridiculous. This is at least straight forward and honest.

Loved his line about if all you care about is gaming get a PS4... if you care about anything else even a little get an X1.

I agree, He did much a better job explaining MS's reasoning and what they're trying to do any of the PR people have.
 

Booshka

Member
Ugh yea thats wrong, MLG updated Halo and their versions at least 6 times in Halo 3 and Reach. Edited maps, tournaments with prize money.

N that wasnt even an exclusive deal they signed, that was just as Halo fans for Halo fans.

They didnt let users submit maps because they made their own maps which were miles ahead of anything seen in Halo, sans Simplex which was probably made by an MLG map creator. When you let users submit maps you end up with shit like Serenity with terrible framerates and maps like Craigmire in MM.

I understand you have some vendetta against MLG for some reason. However there is absolutely no way Virgin Gaming is doing a better job for Halo. Halo 4 has practically no hardcore pro gamers backing it anymore besides Ninja who basically at this point just wants to be hired by 343i and is promoting Halo for his own gain.

I agree with FyreWulff on this one, having Ghostayame head up the competitive playlist and settings is better, he is far more open and transparent with the community than Killa KC ever was. Also, Salot made most of the really good maps in MLG Halo 3 and Halo Reach, and he is still working (very hard might I add) to make good Halo 4 maps, which are in the competitive rotation.

Having Team Throwdown truly be a community playlist is much better than it being tied to a corporation with its own pace and motives. Now comparing MLG's involvement with the competitive community with Virgin Gaming is entirely different story. There is no contest, MLG actually cared about fostering competitive talent and interest in tournaments (Online and LAN). Virgin gives away a truck for players grinding in a Matchmaking playlist.

Also, I don't get the whole Fyrewulff has a vendetta angle, guy stays consistent with his desire for community support for Matchmaking sustain. He wants more emphasis to be on the community actually playing the game daily and less emphasis on whatever 343 can get to while they work on their next game or slick new trailer. Same goes for MLG, they didn't 100% focus on keeping the community piped in for testing, balancing and creating competitive content in Halo. It only got worse as time went on and Killa KC became impenetrable by the community as a whole.
 
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