The Real Napsta
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This is why I hate jetpacks.
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Halo 4 |OT2| TURBO
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This is why I hate jetpacks.
gAg CruSh3r
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Did you ever check out mine? I PM you it a few weeks back. I'm adding CTF to it so I might have to update it soon.
UpperCaseN
Member
Hey all, I'm 1 or 2 sittings away from finishing the campaign, is Spartan Ops worth playing? I'd go once through for the story, mostly. I'd probably go solo or with randoms, I'm LTTP on this and my friends have all moved on
bobs...onGaf
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None of the missions do anything that great - it gets VERY repetitive very quickly. The story is pretty bad but lucky for you is told exclusively in the cutscenes - so if that's what you care about you can just choose to watch all of those and avoid the gameplay.
I would suggest doing a couple of the really highly regarded missions (maybe shoot out at Valhalla) and some of the later stuff is cool but you really wouldn't want to play it all.
UpperCaseN
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Thanks for the responses, sounds like I'll skip it, maybe watch the story parts on youtube.
While I'm posting, my wife was watching me play the other day. I'm a very casual Halo fan and I got to a part where I was told to "get in the Mantis." Mantis? I don't remember which one that is. I went up to a Mongoose, nope. I looked at the 2 Warthogs which I know are Warthogs, nope... I decided to follow the waypoint, pressed the button, and a DAMN MECH rose out of the floor, whoa!! It was a pretty epic reveal for me since I didn't know there was a new mech in this game. Unfortunately it wasn't as absurdly powerful as I wanted it to be; I could've used either a dash or a jump and/or near invincibility like a Scorpion tank. Still awesome moment, though.
While I'm posting, my wife was watching me play the other day. I'm a very casual Halo fan and I got to a part where I was told to "get in the Mantis." Mantis? I don't remember which one that is. I went up to a Mongoose, nope. I looked at the 2 Warthogs which I know are Warthogs, nope... I decided to follow the waypoint, pressed the button, and a DAMN MECH rose out of the floor, whoa!! It was a pretty epic reveal for me since I didn't know there was a new mech in this game. Unfortunately it wasn't as absurdly powerful as I wanted it to be; I could've used either a dash or a jump and/or near invincibility like a Scorpion tank. Still awesome moment, though.
User 73706
Banned
Yeah, I kind of hope they have a secondary mech type in Halo 5. Maybe replace the turrets/missiles with something absurd like an explosive shotgun or a giant-ass mallet and replace the stomp with a decent vertical leap.
As for Spartan Ops: off the top of my head, try to do Core from Episode One, Science Mountain? and Shootout and Valhalla in Episode 3, and then start playing at Episode Six, Chapter One. "Season 1.5" (the second half of Spartan Ops) is an absolute leap in quality compared to the first half.
And you are right.
Both of them have a point Fyre is right that a playlist like throwdown lead by pros like Ghostayame who tests them with pros or tournament leaders like AGL than an mlg playlist.
But MLG as tournament was of course way better than virgin gaming.
But we still have AGL and UMG, we have pros streaming almost daily and scrimming other teams and more.
Sadly I see no future for Halo tournament with the xbox one because of check ins and more
In all the valid reasons why having a check-in sucks, I don't see being online one of them. A lack of LAN didn't hurt Starcraft II. With the One, assuming no cloud necessities, a LAN is still possible and only requires a momentary connection on the day of the event. Where are these going to be held without Internet? This affects casual guys with their own LANs at home far more.
User 73706
Banned
I got an idea. Make a mecha as a UNSC scarab counter. You can stomp the biggest of bugs to death.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Regarding the end of the post, the competitive scene is also stupid n shouldnt be allowed to make decisions n testing for mlg.
Throwdown is less popular than mlg playlists have been. Throwdown isnt AGL settings is it? N without the name attached, do people want to go pro in Throwdown or AGL ? Not really. MLG had a name with brand value built up.
Fyrewulfs vendetta is clear every tournament he makes a post attacking them. Hes against because MLG got clear advantage on updates over CC's in the past games. That's very clear. I dont know what to say about you siding with him other than you are wrong. Sorry.
He doesnt seem to understand MLG is about stability and having limited gametypes/maps compared to Halos past playlist treatment so peoplpe can practice practice and nail the games and modes. Its not about incorporating maps, they've always had a certain restriction in their playlist its not about ignoring people its about following their vision.
A vision that got destroyed simply because Halo got bad. N lost followers which hits a niche group of the games followers even harder. However if you want to rebuild you go to the backbone and start from there. MLG.
Or they can keep Virgin Gaming n have one tourney per Halo game thats poorly handled.
Have you guys considered adding a double jump functionality for the Jetpack for Bumper Jumper users? As of now I can't aim while Jetpacking with Bumper Jumper.
I could get behind this. Bring back the Missile Pod as a direct counter to them, introduce an up-armored Mantis type and a low-armored suit type like the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL. Make the Mantis slower, with a larger silhouette, and make the HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL just larger than a normal SPARTAN-IV with a jump jet that has a ridiculously long cool-down (20+ seconds). HRUNTING/YGGDRASIL has a Rail Cannon secondary that has to be charged and led.
User 73706
Banned
After Reach I feel like MLG got relegated to being too barebones to work with the existing Halo sandbox in the first place. If anything I'd prefer a Pro variant by MLG and a Legendary Slayer/Throwdown variant by the Ghostayame team because they practically cover two different niches by now.
That being said, at this point in Halo 4's lifespan, you probably wouldn't see either get above 5000 on a good day.
The fact that you don't even know that Ghostayame is working on Throwdown settings with AGL specifically in mind makes me almost not even want to bother arguing. MLG constantly got rid of maps and gametypes throughout all Halo games, they updated and adjusted and only kept a few mainstays. Ghostayame is doing the same thing with Throwdown for AGL and UMG.
Saying that settings shouldn't be tuned with the competitive community's interest at the forefront is daft and ridiculous. They are the people competing, of course they should have input, especially the high level pros that dedicate hours every day and know the game better than anyone.
MLG Halo was slowly dying ever since Halo Reach, and it became second fiddle soon after SC2 joined the circuit. MLG dropped it because they could make way more money elsewhere. Throwdown being a low populated playlist isn't because it's not labeled "MLG" it's because Halo 4 is just now becoming marginally viable as a competitive FPS. And Halo 4 as a whole has shit population numbers as you are so keen to point out.
If you replaced MLG with 343 in your argument you might realize how ridiculous you sound.
Fire Juices.
Juices Throwdown are AGL settings especially the next update are only the AGL gametypes.
And yeah mlg had a bigger population than throwdown, wow every other halo had also more population than Halo 4.
And the proplaylists like Mlg and throwdown were always the ones with the lowest numbers in the game.
And yeah mlg had a bigger population than throwdown, wow every other halo had also more population than Halo 4.
And the proplaylists like Mlg and throwdown were always the ones with the lowest numbers in the game.
Steelyuhas
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It's terrible.
Super slow, bullet sponge, doesn't have the same physics interaction with the world that every one player and vehicle has. I could fall asleep using it or fighting against it, extremely dull.
I think that was a poorly worded joke, because obviously if the power goes out you can't play your Xbox, or Playstation, 360, etc because they require power.
User 73706
Banned
I just got an idea on how to up the skill curve a little bit.
Narrow down the sandbox to a select few weapons, and make all of them headshot-capable (with the obvious exception of melee weapons). Balance/rework sandbox accordingly.
Headshots do 2x damage to shielded targets, and 4x damage to unshielded targets.
That way once your enemy has no shields, it becomes an immediate priority to shoot for the head, otherwise you'll end up wasting too much ammo on body shots.
Narrow down the sandbox to a select few weapons, and make all of them headshot-capable (with the obvious exception of melee weapons). Balance/rework sandbox accordingly.
Headshots do 2x damage to shielded targets, and 4x damage to unshielded targets.
That way once your enemy has no shields, it becomes an immediate priority to shoot for the head, otherwise you'll end up wasting too much ammo on body shots.
Apparently Phil Spencer made the allusion to authenticating with your phone, since the ping of data is so small.
I had this idea a while ago but it seems to hard for Halo fans and console shooter players in general.
This is Shadowrun's sandbox, very few weapons, but all the ones you need to fill the necessary roles. Single shot projectile weapons (Rifle, Pistol, Sniper) get the highest headshot bonus, and all automatics (SMG, Minigun) and the Shotgun have a lower headshot bonus. And there is a Katana with a bleedout mechanic to help it fit into its role.
You have pretty high HP in Shadowrun, but can still be taken down quickly with headshots, which take a lot of skill to consistently land.
xxjuicesxx
Member
Yea wonder why. Listen it doesnt all equal each other but the bottom line is they need to move away from what they did with Halo 4. Virgin Gaming is NOT working for Halo.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
One of the worst vehicles in any game. Its just downright horrible.
Overpowered, Awkward to control, Dominates maps (even worse than a Gauss) has the best anti board mechanic of any vehicle with the stomp, physics immune.
The fact that made it in over things like a Falcon baffle me.
Halo Vehicles need a huge overhaul.
Mongoose - useless cut it
Warthog - works well. Stop chain gun overheating is a bad mechanic
Gauss Hog - cut it, SP only
Scorpion - rebalance it reduce explosion radius on shots
Falcon - Bring it back as it was in Reach
Hornet - Bring it back to combat the banshee, no side seats, rocket like the mantis
Mantis - cut it, horrible
Wraith - boring vehicle needs to change make it a weak hulled slower moving gauss tank
Banshee - Cut the bomb, increase the power of the plasma cannons
Revenant - Use the cut halo 4 version, give the gunner the ability to switch weapons between a specter plasma canon and a halo reach reverent mortar
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Ghost - Fine, needs a weaker hull maybe.
New covenant air transport vehicle with slow as shit mortar and side seats.
squidhands
Member
This is probably your best bet. I was supremely disappointed with Spartan Ops, but I'd never tell anyone to skip it. The cutscenes are well done and worth watching (you can watch them all and not have to play anything if you don't want).
I will say that Normal solo is better than attempting online with others. The netcode is fucking terrible, far worse than anything I experienced in Reach's Firefight. Plus it's set up for Legendary, and even with 4 people it's a clusterfuck of aliens with one-hit-kill weapons and bullshit respawns. It turns the relatively lackluster gameplay into pure frustration, so just go it alone on an easier setting.
The Real Napsta
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If your Internet goes out for longer than 24 hours you can't play any games on your XB1
bobs...onGaf
Member
I would not recommend spartan ops solo to anyone even on easy
It is a very tedious mode solo simply because almost every mission involves them throwing a mass of enemies at you - there is nothing interesting about any of those encounters - its just a matter sheer volume.
So while it's easy on normal or easy - Its still time consuming and boring
It is a very tedious mode solo simply because almost every mission involves them throwing a mass of enemies at you - there is nothing interesting about any of those encounters - its just a matter sheer volume.
So while it's easy on normal or easy - Its still time consuming and boring
xxjuicesxx
Member
I know. However in this case I'm right. MLG was better for Halo than Virgin Gaming.
One company threw several tournament events with high prize money. One company threw one online tournament and gave away one 50k truck. Meanwhile another company threw a million dollar tournament for their game.
MLG had one playlist with quite a bit of updates throughout its life. Virgin Gaming put its little logo on previous playlists and kept switching and changing the natural order of the playlists.
Of course I'm not saying no longer dealing with MLG is the reason for Halo 4s low population, however it IS a factor in it. I'm sure you learned alot in your psych 101 class during your computer science studies?
I never stated otherwise, virgin gaming is absolute trash.
Just wanted to show that the Throwdown list is a really good thing, no virgin gaming involvement also.
And of course they need to move away from Halo 4s decisions, the next game has to be competive at launch not through 100000updates. And should go back to arena shooter style, smaller maps, no sprint and ranks ingame at launch.
Ranked/social split
You wouldn't be saying that if you were playing BTB with us last night.
Ruined my fucking perfection with less than five kills left to go in the game because they started spawning behind us on Ragnarok.
YourExWife
Member
It caused tons of problems during tournaments. Players would lose connection to the server (and still do) hosting the match in the middle of a "LAN" tournament. I can remember plenty of games, especially MLG Starcraft II, where they'd spend more time at the "Reconnecting" dialog than playing. There's even rules set up now for when that happens they are to use the Resume game feature that Blizzard added in an update. It happens *that often*.
It also helped Starcraft II that Brood War was one of the most popular competitive games ever.
I doubt it will be as big of an issue for XB1 because it's not requiring a constant connection for LAN play as far as we know at this point. Just the "check-in" nonsense.
User 73706
Banned
I think a big part is latency compared to PC. If we start getting more widespread dedis per game, I think it would open up a lot of options. I have a new project with 10 weapons (only one automatic) and I didn't even realize Shadowrun already did that with the sandbox.
I don't mind a little extra overlap in vehicles just because they're basically wheels with guns in the long run. If I had to redo the vehicle sandbox, though:
(roughly arranged in terms of power)
Mongoose - keep it in smaller maps as a recon/scout platform with minor assault capabilities with a heavy weapon passenger. And race, of course.
Encoder - Promethean scout unit that replaces the Chopper. Basically light cycle mixed with the batpod from TDKR.
Ghost - Somewhere between the Halo CE and 2 versions. Make it fun to drive, floaty as hell, and make the plasma cannons slow down targets a bit.
Warthog - Not really much to say.
Gauss Hog - Replace with the Rail Hog. The turret has unlimited ammo and fires a Railgun round with about 150% the blast radius of the handheld variant.
Spectre Successor - Two-man vehicle. Driver can control a Plasma Turret with the power of a Spectre's while alone. With a passenger, the driver has no weapon (beyond boost), but the passenger gets a slightly beefed-up Spectre turret.
Stratus - Promethean passenger unit with health between a Warthog and a Spectre. Three seats. Turret is somewhere between the CE Rocket Hog and the Revenant in power.
Mantis - Reworked into a CQC unit. Turret and missiles replaced in favor of a more "personal" weapon along the lines of a grenade launcher or a giant shotgun. Mantis can now stomp and perform a decent vertical leap that ends in a shockwave/stomp. The Leap depletes your shields. Physics reworked to perform realistically, meaning you actually have to be careful where you walk or else you'll end up falling over.
Locust - Defensive mech from Halo Wars that occupies the role the Mantis used to. Has the traction of the Halo 2 Scorpion and Spectre combined, meaning it can climb some walls. About 60% the speed of the Halo 4 Mantis, has shielding. It has a Focus Rifle-styled beam weapon. While it doesn't do much damage, it will EMP vehicles and has massive knockback applied to it (think a Scarab beam on Easy) so it can make Jetpackers fall to their deaths and is deadly against aircraft. As a bonus, maybe the Locust beam can have shield vampirism when it EMPs vehicles.
Wraith and Scorpion - no idea how to balance them, honestly. Wraith pretty much occupies the role it needs to. Maybe the Scorpion's rounds could have impact damage (that would be one-hit kill on infantry) but take like 4 or 5 seconds to actually detonate, giving people proper warning.
Falcon - Bring back the Reach edition, it was perfect. Maybe add in a Rail Falcon or the Grenade Launcher variant to multi. Allow it to carry an objective holder at the expense of losing a turret.
Banshee - Halo 3 version.
Sylph - Forerunner aircraft unit. Basically the Chopper of the skies.
Oh yeah that I know. That doesn't affect me, I was thinking he said you can't play if Internet goes out at all
Yeah I loved it when people got Running Riots with that thing in Halo 3
Shadowrun is a game design clinic in regards to team based multiplayer FPS. The interplay of races, abilities and weapons, along with extremely complex level design could be its own college course in video game design.
User 73706
Banned
...how does the multiplayer work? All I can think of with Shadowrun is super-powered dudes running around the city.
Making sure 200+ Xbox 1s all had a valid gamertag and could connect to the net (not just a local switch) would be a fucking nightmare at large events.
Round based elimination style a la Counter-Strike. Buy menu at start of each round to purchase weapons, magic and tech. You can also see what your teammates have and gift them money. 4 different races, Elf, Troll, Dwarf and Human. 3 game modes are Symmetrical maps-Elimination (slayer), Asymmetrical 1 Flag Offense vs Defense with no role switching though, and Neutral Flag on Symmetrical maps as well.
squidhands
Member
These suggestions are not good. Revenant was a shitty replacement for one of the greatest vehicles in the franchise, and the chaingun overheat was the best thing to happen to the 'hog to balance it in multiplayer.
User 73706
Banned
...I'm gonna have to look into this for research purposes.
Ryan242004
Member
I haven't played Halo 4 in several months, has it gotten any better?
That's because Halo 3's chaingun was absurdly over-powered.
Gabotron ES
Member
I'd prefer if Smartlink wasn't in the game, but it is hardly OP, remember it takes up a valuable ability slot and only helps a few weapons. Enhanced Vision is a very strong tech, but it is only OP if your team isn't coordinated and not calling out, or if you aren't running Smoke. Also Smoke is a very good ability that isn't just good because it counters EV and Smartlink, it makes you immune to damage, gives you a valuable 3rd person perspective, and can even serve as a speed boost for Dwarf and Troll.
The hardest of hard counters to EV, is to run Smoke and EV, but don't actually ping your EV, when another player pings their EV, they show up on your screen without having to use yours. Having Smoke mapped masks your presence on their EV, so they are essentially revealing themselves to you for free and without their knowledge. Most EV players have blinders on too, so you can easily get behind them and shit all over em.
The brilliance of Shadowrun.
I'm am glad that Microsoft's flagship title will finally be running well , but it still remains to be seen if 343 can make a great Halo game. If they pull it off and it's everything I want out of a Halo game, then it might be a system seller. Chances are low though.
Send me message if you start playing, I can teach you a lot of the game systems and show you some of the subtle nuance that most people miss.