-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
- Thread starter VisceralBowl
- Start date
GringoSuave89
Banned
Boom. That's the main issue. Halo isn't the king anymore, and it's because of the competition more than it is the changes.
Honestly, most "hardcore" Halo fans just give me a headache...
If you believe that a return to basics Halo would bring in even 2/3 of Halo 3's player base, then you're delusional.
Welfare
Member
But 44.6 million hours were watched on Twitch.
People would rather spend time watching than playing.
GringoSuave89
Banned
That, or the Xbox One has a crap user base, along with the flood of MCC returns.
I find it INCREDIBLY hard to believe that Preview members and MCC owners total to be 1 million players. Until 343 gives us an official count, I call bullshit.
The fall actually started way before that, if we don't want to overlook Modern Warfare.
Unless you want to tell me COD 4>Halo 3.
Stay classy.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Halo 3 had 600k players at the end of its lifetime. Halo Reach had damn near a million players at launch day, and when people started to realize that the game wasn't very good, population dipped to the lowest count in series history. It still kept well above 100k for 3 years. It had an incredible resurgence that nearly doubled player count when they introduced the no sprint option. And then Halo 4 happened.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
GringoSuave89
Banned
Shit, I jumped ship. MW was unlike anything at the time. They need to do an HD collection for the series. MW2 was incredible.
Halo.
GringoSuave89
Banned
It's funny too, it was pretty bare bones compared to future COD releases. No changing killstreaks, simple attachments, and a fairly low gun count.
Xbox One sold 10 million by its first year. By the time Halo 3 came out, there were only 9.3 million Xbox 360's sold.
-------
More surprised how big gaming has got in the last 5-10 years.
Do you have official links to back up this statement like that infographic? I don't want to make any statements because my memory is fuzzy on this.
Also I spoke on why Halo 4 had the decline it did, with tons of factors outside of it being a "bad" game.
Welfare
Member
But that's what makes it so good! No bullshit.
PROh1bited
Banned
Yep it definitely is. For me, Black Ops was the last good COD multiplayer. Lots of good maps, and the game had a nice pace to it. Have found that the COD games since, have been boring and very stagnant.
GringoSuave89
Banned
Agreed. And as much as I love MW2, I think that game was the start of our FPS woes.
I loved BLOPS2, in my own weird way.
Way more 360s sold than that.
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Source?
ProvenDeadly
Member
http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/a...-population-of-1-1m-reach-had-900k.453494221/
I don't have any but I played both Halo 3-Reach throughout their entire lifetimes.
Halo 3 one year after launch: 1.1 million
Reach: 900k
Halo 4: 20k
http://www.geekwire.com/2014/sony-s...soles-one-year-microsoft-sells-10m-xbox-ones/
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Xbox_360
------
With the 360 being a bit older, hard to find stuff from 2007 and under.
"By January 3, 2008, Halo 3 sold 8.1 million copies, and was the best-selling video game of 2007 in the U.S."
That is an insane attach rate if your numbers are true. Halo just isn't the juggernaut it once was, and sprint has very little to do with that, lol. I'm seeing 1 million for MCC during it's first week, and then it nosedived. I know it's current shape factors into it not selling as well, but even if it worked, it wouldn't be smelling those Halo 3 numbers.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
This thread man. This thread.
Prinz Eugn
Member
I think it's likely they calculated gameplay hours differently, perhaps total time Halo 3 was on vs time actually spent in a match in 5.
Sprint represents everything wrong with current design philosophy at 343.
Welfare
Member
Halo 3 came out September 25, 2007. Microsoft shipped 9,300,000 million 360's to retailers by September 30, 2007. There weren't even 9.3m unit's in consumers houses when Halo 3 came out.
By the end of 2014, the Xbox One sold over 10 million units to consumers.
More people had the opportunity to play the Halo 5 beta than there were to play Halo 3 proper.
By the end of 2014, the Xbox One sold over 10 million units to consumers.
More people had the opportunity to play the Halo 5 beta than there were to play Halo 3 proper.
So how do you want to respect this opinion when you have nothing at all to back it up?
Sure.
Holmes said there were no plans for other remakes, whether that's true or not, I don't know, but I'd rather they didn't.
PROh1bited
Banned
I've been trying to think of maps that could be good to remake in Halo 5, like Midship/Zealot. From Reach alone, Powerhouse and Sword Base would totally work.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Seriously, what are you guys trying to prove? That Halo 5 is bad before it's even out? That you're right and Halo 2/3 will always be the top Halos? So what if they are? Do you win something? I bought MCC for that very reason, so I can play the old Halo games and then buy the new.
Everyone is spending a ton of effort on comparing numbers for no real reason other than to be right on the internet...
Everyone is spending a ton of effort on comparing numbers for no real reason other than to be right on the internet...
ProvenDeadly
Member
GringoSuave89
Banned
you're talking about the sequel to halo 2... how is that at all comparable to Halo fucking 5 in the state of Halo currently, in the state of console shooters that are not CoD or Battlefield...
Again do you have any evidence to back this statement up?
The charts show me nothing as again tons of factors are being glossed over to support the narrative.
ProvenDeadly
Member
My whole point is there is a reason Halo isn't as popular...
It doesn't just randomly go from the most popular shooter to barely relevant just "because" other shooters are out.
ProvenDeadly
Member
The biggest narrative of last gen was the 10 million shipped head start MS got over Sony/PS3.
it happens all the fucking time with hundreds of franchises... people lose interest, better games come out.
I GUARANTEE you, if Halo 5 was like 2/3, it still wouldn't be as popular as anything today and Halos in the past. We'd be in the same situation with less bitching.
If you have them, sure.
My memory isn't that sharp to remember the exact number I saw on H3/Reach/H4's respective launch days or years after the fact.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Welfare
Member
Reach numbers thanks to the Wayback Machine. (24 hour counter)
August 5, 2011
August 7, 2011
August 23, 2011
All I see all mainline Halo games launched at #1...
If Halo 4 was similar and better than Halo 2/3 at 60 FPS on Dedicated Servers with as many or more features as Reach, then I doubt Halo would be where it is today. That would be a rock solid package that could compete with CoD.
Unfortunately, 60 FPS and Dedicated Servers weren't a priority for Halo last gen, and the gameplay that 343 crafted was terrible. But, if Halo 4 was what it should have been, with the huge install base of the 360, and on the MLG circuit, I think it would still be one of the highest populated Xbox 360 games today.
Might as well hop in on the speculating and made up scenarios.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Welfare
Member
Back when we got the Weekly UU reports (RIP), Halo 4 was competing with Black Ops 1.
Let that sink in.
ProvenDeadly
Member
I expect similar results with Halo 5
Blops2 would have still destroyed Halo. Sorry.
What does that have to do with the 1.1 million and 900k figures posted earlier, which for Reach has been proven false?
Like I said, other factors.