Sure it peaked at Halo 3, but Halo 4 potentially would have outsold Reach if it wasn't for the XB1/MCC.
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Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
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FUNKNOWN iXi
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Years of bad press from where? 9.8 from IGN for Halo 4 and critical success from other sites and decent enough reviews for TMCC despite its condition. Also, we haven't really seen an uproar from the gaming press over its current state, so maybe it's not as bad as Halo fans are thinking.
If anything, we still see a lot of excitement over Halo 5 because people are ready for a fresh new Halo.
So would I, but I don't have a massive friends list with people running customs and frankly, I don't have the time to wait around for people to play customs.
Pro Halo players have it made when it comes to being able to get into custom games anytime they want.
Us commoners are stuck with matchmaking.
Poodlestrike
Banned
I'm thinking we'll get a look at the new BTB before E3. Not much of one, and probably no hands-on time for the public, but just a peek.
I need to know of if the vulture is in it. 343, pls.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
There's been some press coverage, but I mostly meant Twitter, Facebook, forums, etc. I'd say pretty much every gamer is at least somewhat familiar with the MCC disaster.
Even if I overestimate the sales estimates in that pic by 1 million over for each game, you'll have about 13-14 million of uncounted sales for Halo 4 alone. Plus we're missing Spartan Assault as well.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Yeah, I wouldn't overestimate the damage either.
Frankly, not being sale number gurus I'd be cautious of people putting numbers out there at all.
Perhaps one could look at other franchises that have had similar struggles and guesstimate from that, but not only at we largely ignorant of the skills required to be accurate, ignorant of a lot of the facts too.
To put my own qualifications / cautions aside for a minute - it's such a strange context for the game to come out in; the One both doing brilliantly & poorly (at the same time), market transitions, the esports push that is the air as to how it will turn out, coming off of Halo 4, the MCC damage and don't forget (I constantly do) that whisper quiet Showtime tv show.
I'm definitely staying around to see how it all shakes out, and ultimately am just interested in whether 343 make a great campaign that surprises me. In a pleasant fashion this time rather than a nose wrinkling one.
As far as I'm concerned, they really have to knock it out of the park.
Frankly, not being sale number gurus I'd be cautious of people putting numbers out there at all.
Perhaps one could look at other franchises that have had similar struggles and guesstimate from that, but not only at we largely ignorant of the skills required to be accurate, ignorant of a lot of the facts too.
To put my own qualifications / cautions aside for a minute - it's such a strange context for the game to come out in; the One both doing brilliantly & poorly (at the same time), market transitions, the esports push that is the air as to how it will turn out, coming off of Halo 4, the MCC damage and don't forget (I constantly do) that whisper quiet Showtime tv show.
I'm definitely staying around to see how it all shakes out, and ultimately am just interested in whether 343 make a great campaign that surprises me. In a pleasant fashion this time rather than a nose wrinkling one.
As far as I'm concerned, they really have to knock it out of the park.
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kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Totally. I'm just speaking in hunches and generalizations. It should generally be assumed that I have no idea what I'm talking about.
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I definitely think some of you are underestimating the damage done by MCC. I'm sure Halo 5 will be the best selling Xbox One exclusive this year, and that it will sell quite a bit. But some of you are putting out ridiculous sales figures.
Even if the gaming press has ignored the problems, Halo fans haven't. Even if they are a vocal minority, they can sway popular opinion. And you definitely know that sites like IGN and others will definitely bring up MCC when it's time to hope Halo 5.
Whereas I knew several people including myself who went out and bought consoles, others took time off work for MCC, no one I know wants Halo 5. Even I'm feeling I don't really want it, as opposed to buying it just for the sake of it. This is a sentiment shared by others I assume. If MCC still plays like crap come September or November or whenever they're releasing Halo 5, why would I support that?
Even if the gaming press has ignored the problems, Halo fans haven't. Even if they are a vocal minority, they can sway popular opinion. And you definitely know that sites like IGN and others will definitely bring up MCC when it's time to hope Halo 5.
Whereas I knew several people including myself who went out and bought consoles, others took time off work for MCC, no one I know wants Halo 5. Even I'm feeling I don't really want it, as opposed to buying it just for the sake of it. This is a sentiment shared by others I assume. If MCC still plays like crap come September or November or whenever they're releasing Halo 5, why would I support that?
You guys seriously think Halo 5 will sell more than 7 million copies by the end of 2015? That's pretty insane especially considering TMCC only sold what 800k in a month, and games like CODAW only sold 1.8 mil in a month and a half. Now Halo 5 definitely has the potential to sell 7 million lifetime copies but I'd expect a more grounded 1.5-2 million copies by the end of 2015 (if it comes out on November) and 3 million if it comes out in September like it has been rumored to be.
CreateNowSleepLater
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No doubt H5 will sell well sales was never the problem
They are hitting at the perfect time. CoD kids are getting sick of it. The only people who be complaining are Halo fans. If they have half a bran, launch in September. CoD players are going right back to it when it launches.
Welfare
Member
Halo 4 was the fastest selling Halo game in the US for a while into 2013. That just proves to me the casual market will not give 2 shits.
"A collection of games I already played? Meh who cares."
"Halo 5?! Can't wait!"
The Microsoft marketing will ensure the game is a commercial success.
MCC sold >660k in the US launch month. Mainline Halo's have been doing ~3.3m in their launch month since Halo 2.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Speaking of CoD, Microsoft cannot make that mistake again of releasing Halo that close to a new CoD again.
Halo needs to release when there's little to no competition around it so there can be a decent multiplayer population for some time. Maybe that would provide people with enough time to build that familiarity to stick with it instead of dropping it the second CoD launches.
Halo needs to release when there's little to no competition around it so there can be a decent multiplayer population for some time. Maybe that would provide people with enough time to build that familiarity to stick with it instead of dropping it the second CoD launches.
That would be cool. Could be a nice way to reveal the changes they made. It is also during the HCS season finals so there are pros there to play it as well.
AnonomissX
Banned
If they would add BACK in the ability to join customs in progress, this shit would be much more bearable.
The install base was also like 90 million+ Xbox 360 at the time of Halo 4 as well. It's a different time now. The game will be a commercial success but it's not going to the sales juggernaut some are thinking.
Also, I don't know, I don't think Halo 4 was as great a seller as people think. A month after launch, it was 3rd in NPD, in January 2013, less than two months after launch, it was 7th on NPD's, and by February wasn't even in the top ten sellers anymore.
It's this more than anything why a mainline Halo release needs to be staggered from the annual CoD release. It's the only chance new players have to develop any sort of attachment it to it, rather than getting frustrated by not playing well and then just saying "eff it" and moving on to the annual CoD immediately afterwards because it's "easy" and "familiar".
Orochinagis
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Releasing halo games earlier would make them compete against Battlefield games I think
Orochinagis
Member
Or March...
I don't like how MCC is now being talked of as if it was always going to sell less, it's not a mainline game etc. In the month before launch, it was selling better than both versions of advanced warfare. It was also the highlight of E3 for Microsoft and pre-release and launch night, viewers were starting to rival counterstrike on twitch. IGN even dedicated a month to it.
Had MCC not had issues, it probably would have sold millions more. I'll even go so far as to say that the problems with MCC and it's death in sales, contributed to Xbox One losing the January NPD. Its key holiday exclusive has been an utter balls-up.
Welfare
Member
In the US the 360 was at an install base of ~41m. The game by the end of 2012 sold >5m
Halo 3 on an install base of ~9m sold 4.8m by the end of 2007.
Halo Reach did >4m on an install base of ~25m by the end of 2010.
By the time Halo 5 comes out, the install base in the US will be over the install base of the 360 by the time Halo 3 came out. But still, it seems Halo in just the US does >4m in just the first couple of months.
The first mainline Halo title on the new generation Xbox will sell big time.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
I think this has always been a huge issue that's been criminally overlooked or just not given a serious concern over. To me, Halo has felt like they just send it off to die and they'll just continue to release it whenever they think it will have the best financial success on launch without much care for anything else.
Those launch sales figures thooooo, who gives a damn about multiplayer populations if they already got your money, eh? They don't give a damn about you not being able to play on those map packs a week after they release, they don't give a damn about releasing so close to other multiplayer franchises that they're so adamant to take players from, they don't give a damn about what we really think because we'll buy it anyway, they just don't give a damn.. or at least that's how it feels many times, and can anyone really be blamed for feeling this way?
We're all waiting for Halo to bounce back so the fanbase can come together again, but they can't make the same decisions that history has proven to be terrible for many years now. Will Halo 5 have a Custom Games Browser, the one thing fans have wanted for so many years that could drastically improve the longevity and excitement of this franchise? Who knows, but it's not like Halo devs haven't known about how much we wanted it for the past ~10 years.
etc.
I would like for a Summer release for Halo 5 and for it to be repackaged around the holidays to include any DLC for $60, or at the very latest a September release.
Computer
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If anyone from 343 is reading Halo 5 needs a instant replay feature added to the spectator mode. While watching the HCS tournament there were so many awesome plays that could have only been seen unless you were watching live or scavenge through hours of footage after the vid is archived. The casters should be able to just replay highlights as they happen or right after the game has ended. The did replay one highlight but they spent 10 min fast forwarding a film to watch a 10 second clip. Just looks unprofessional for a esport game.
Do those numbers for the more recent games include digital downloads? It seems like those figures are a lot harder to find
Those numbers are 1) outdated
and 2) source chartzzzz.
This was back in 2012 before Halo 4 launched
and we know that the Halo franchise has sold over 60 million units before MCC launch.
Here's some stats released in November about Halo by Microsoft PR:
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Not sure if I can believe the "Halo franchise averages over 3 million online users per month across all titles" fact.
Welfare
Member
That could be 3 million unique users per month
@gamerxone720:
2015-02-21 20:36:35 UTC
@XboxP3 @CanineSnow will their be halo 5 story gameplay at GDC or we have to wait for e3?
@XboxP3:
2015-02-21 20:37:00 UTC
@gamerxone720 @CanineSnow Can't answer this one.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/569234353143701504
I'd be surprised if we got anything related to Halo 5's story at GDC.
2015-02-21 20:36:35 UTC
@XboxP3 @CanineSnow will their be halo 5 story gameplay at GDC or we have to wait for e3?
@XboxP3:
2015-02-21 20:37:00 UTC
@gamerxone720 @CanineSnow Can't answer this one.
https://twitter.com/XboxP3/status/569234353143701504
I'd be surprised if we got anything related to Halo 5's story at GDC.
GringoSuave89
Banned
I feel like that was more of a "how would I know?" answer than it was playing coy. Though I'd be happy to be wrong.
They're going up against treyarch and Nazi Zombies again, Halo should take the Destiny approach and release in September
I think Battlefront will be the bigger challenge. Not only will Star Wars utilize the fact it's been so long since a Battlefront game, but that Force Awakens will come soon as well. A strong marketing push by EA can really make the game a huge hit. Call of Duty will always be Call of Duty, Halo cannot afford to lose fans to a third series.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Oh right, Battlefront.. Uh oh lol
GringoSuave89
Banned
Yeah it's going to be a really crazy year for shooters. It'll be interesting to see when Halo 5 launches and what the competition is gonna be like.
Custom Halo Xbox One 343 made for someone from Make A Wish.
https://twitter.com/bsangel/status/569986050153558016
https://twitter.com/bsangel/status/569986050153558016
Custom Halo Xbox One 343 made for someone from Make A Wish.
https://twitter.com/bsangel/status/569986050153558016
I have a pretty hacky, offensive joke for this that is only suitable for Lxthul's Twitch Chat.
Cool light fixture in the reflection.
Custom Halo Xbox One 343 made for someone from Make A Wish.
https://twitter.com/bsangel/status/569986050153558016
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CloudyTuba
Member
As a long time Halo fan since CE, I can say that I am clearly more excited for Battlefront than Halo 5. They should not release near each other if possible.
But we'll see if that still holds up after we've seen some actual footage from Battlefront. So far it's all just hopes, dreams and imagination.
Yeah but isn't battlefront a 3rd person shooter?
1st/3rd person mix.