ProvenDeadly
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Neogaf is an extremely small portion of the Halo community. And I don't know what to say about you feeling power. I felt like an absolutely monster in CE and all I had was a pistol.
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Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
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Neogaf is an extremely small portion of the Halo community. And I don't know what to say about you feeling power. I felt like an absolutely monster in CE and all I had was a pistol.
Or that guy could stop chasing the red dot on his radar with an AR and actually try to anticipate where the fleeing enemy is going and work to cut him off...
That's because H4 was a complete mess of a game. It was missing tons of content and features that had been standard in past Halo games, most of the additions in gameplay were just fluff on top of the core gameplay and 343 did a terrible job with communication.
Halo 5 looks nothing like H4 did (not talking visually). Personally I think it could be an even better and more worthy successor than H3 or even H2.
Most of the comments I've heard from NeoGaf have been positive so I don't know what you're talking about there.
I only had to listen to the first 10 seconds before I realised this guy is completely bias. He's entitled to his opinion and so am I. What I would recommend doing is playing the game yourself, make your own little review in your head, and if you like it, play it. if not, then don't.
Halo has been different every time a title comes out. There is no one master Halo that is the rule of thumb which dictates what the next Halo should be. Voice your opinion, and speak out with your wallet if you don't like it. Plus, why would you pay for something you don't like?
ProvenDeadly
Member
Like I said. Neogaf is a very small portion of the Halo community. Go read r/Halo, TeamBeyond.net, and even Halowaypoint, which is usually pro anything 343 does. They are all negative.
aHebrewMenagerie
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I think I got my free month from 343, my Gold was supposed to expire today, but I got an email from Xbox Live that it expires in a month from now instead.
Anyway, thanks 343, I was running low on cash today and wasn't sure if i'd be able to afford another 3 month just yet.
Anyway, thanks 343, I was running low on cash today and wasn't sure if i'd be able to afford another 3 month just yet.
I was placed in Onyx 1, dropped to Gold 3, then worked my way up to Semi. It's not the insurmountable task you seem to think it is, heh.
I felt like a complete monster in CE also. I could take on tanks, hogs, banshees and ghosts in Big Team Matches on blood gulch. But that was on PC where people couldn't aim for shit due to the netcode.
In MCC I feel like I kill one guy super quick and then get 3 shotted from across the map. Dunno if it was like that on the Xbox but its way too easy to kill in CE.
In H5 a good shot and some good evasion can win 2 on 1's. Plenty of toys in the arsenal now.
^ Started from gold 3 now im here (semi pro)
I'm sure there are plenty of people who feel negatively about the game. However In sure there are just as many if not more who feel positively. Both old Halo fans and new alike. I mean you said you've heard nothing but negative from NeoGaf when it's been almost the opposite.
First off, it doesn't ruin flow. It's changed, it may not be what you expected or what you wanted, however it's not ruined. Movement has finally become a major part of the gameplay. I, and it appears many others, actually really enjoy this new aspect of the gameplay. The skill in the game is no longer just about how well you can aim, how well you can outmaneuver your opponent is a major aspect now, far more than previously (IMO).
The individual skill in the game is also extremely important. This game has one of the highest skill gaps of any Halo. The lower aim assist combined with movement requiring a lot more skill makes the gap very wide. I've played people who I could completely dong on, and then played others who I could barely get a kill from. If you're good enough you can completely steam roll the other team, I have no idea where you're getting this idea that individual skill has disappeared because from all I've played and seen that couldn't be further from the truth. The number of times I've had to carry my team to victory has been more in this beta than in any other Halo I've played.
I actually sat through all of this. His bias seems to seep into every single word. A couple of his points seem reasonable, but the majority screams "This is different and so I don't like it" to me.
This video is ridiculous, the chasing playing is just playing awfully. There were so many opportunities where they could have intercepted the people running away. Also the player can't aim; of course you're not going to kill anyone if they're constantly outmaneuvering you and you can't hit them. Basically, git gud.
Whut? I mean seriously? Not only are you wrong about the importance of individual skill, but you actually believe encouraging team work is a bad thing?
You think requiring teamwork to win in Team Slayer is a bad thing?
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Amazing lol
Significantly harder? Sometimes I feel like I'm playing a different game from you guys..
Only weapons more difficult to use in H5 compared to H4, and not by a large margin, are the Magnum and DMR. AR is much easier, BR is easier and doesn't have H4's recoil, LR is easier, Sniper is probably more difficult (close call because it's flinch vs the obstructive scope), Sword is easier, SMG is easier than the Suppressor, Rocket is the Rocket.
#humblebrag
I think Halo 5's sniper is on par with Halo 2, it's way too easy.
Would like the H3 sniper back, but with faster shot speed to compensate for faster movement.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Didn't mean to, just wanted to point out my thoughts on how the weapons feel lol. I'm like Vegeta, when you slap Bulma I surpass Goku, but most of the time I'm chillin with the dong loose and free.
How about Halo 4? Scoping or unscoping, the aim assist is massive on those Snipers.
Speaking of Halo 4, excited to try out that playlist.
Halo 3 Sniper is my favorite Sniper after CE. Felt great landing headshots with it and is my favorite slow-shooting Sniper.
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A fast-shooting Sniper with minimal aim assist is what I was hoping for with H5's UNSC Sniper.
How dare you request something from HCE!!!!!
We must accept that HCE has come and gone...you want HCE, go play MCC.
sarcasm 
Honestly, don't even remember much about Halo 4. I don't remember the sniper being hard to use aside from flinch though.
Halo 3 has the best sniper, IMO, aside from the hit detection problems.
Onyx 1 and Gold 3 are near identical in terms of skill. Going up from Onyx 1 to Semi-Pro is impressive though. Never said it was a herculean task to go up levels. But imagine you were placed Silver 2, you honestly think it would be easy to go up to semi-pro where you'd belong? And that's just a hypothetical because it seems like initial placement, as wonky as it may seem, does work. The people who are good, are placed in Onyx and Semi-Pro. But, and I'm not including myself here, I've just observed that your initial ten matches matter the most and if you screw it up, it's a long grind of straight wins to try and get back up.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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Karl, any more delusional than people begging for sprint's removal every day or the many other things people long for?
Arguable imo, but I don't think it's fair to perpetuate the image of delusional CE fans despite the possible best solution being to buff the Magnum. Lesser-skilled players hate BR starts and competitive players hate AR/Magnum starts as we currently have them.
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Arguable imo, but I don't think it's fair to perpetuate the image of delusional CE fans despite the possible best solution being to buff the Magnum. Lesser-skilled players hate BR starts and competitive players hate AR/Magnum starts as we currently have them.
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And the people not asking for it are those who didn't experience CE to its fullest. Both of our statements are anecdotal though, so who really knows.
But if you're good, how would you screw it up? Ten matches is quite a stretch to not "play at your level", lol.
Those people are usually one in the same.
No. Both parties are gonna need some learnin' about Bob Dylan and the times.
If you have a solid team of four, you can most likely reach semi pro in a short time if you're half-way decent.
I doubt Walshy got pro status playing solo for his placement matches.
ProvenDeadly
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Casual players don't see the issues I guess...
Not really. People wanting sprint gone only have been doing so since Reach/2010
People who want ADS gone only want it gone since the footage leaked.
People who want the Halo 1 pistol and that gameplay back have been doing it since Halo 2 got released in 2004. That's commitment. Or something. Bet that chicken is fucked raw by now.
This is an important point. No pro is gonna qualify at pro playing alone. MAYBE semi pro. But most likely Onyx or Gold
ProvenDeadly
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I'm assuming you never played Halo 1 or 2 than? In Halo 1 you could easily kill 3 or 4 people if you were good.
Who here is "casual"?
xxJuices "Silver 2" xx
The Henery
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So the last 3 out of 4 games I played in strongholds, I had an AFK 'teammate'. impossible to win objective gametypes 3v4 and thus completely ruins the experience of the three people who are playing. They all AFK'd the WHOLE game too. What are they doing? Fucking cancer
An ego bruising so bad, he deleted the game.
ProvenDeadly
Member
These points are so backwards. How does it take skill to run around in circles aimlessly? In what ways is sprinting away WHEN YOU WOULD NORMALLY DIE a "skillful" thing. How is thrusting around corners, sprinting around corners, running away skillfull? Please explain in a way that's not "well it's skillfull because it takes skill to run in circles!"
Also, team work is absolutely important, but when you have to rely on teammates to kill one person, not a team, that's fucking dumb and an absolute joke.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
hahahahah nice
I know man, what I am is a rider on the storm. Born into CE and since Halo 2 I've been traveling on that dark, desolate road ever since. CE fans never asked for this journey we've been thrown into, and Halo 2's design is the squirming toad on the road and the fanbase is what we have to take by the hand to make them understand that there's a killer on the road.
Into this house we're born, into this world we're thrown. Our life will never end, gotta love your man, yeahhh the fellow Halo fan despite not knowing what's best for them.
ProvenDeadly
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I have onyx rank 3. I lead my team in kills every game, but I usually end up with players without thumbs who go 2-16
Welcome to the Casual Club, enjoy your stay.
Not a single person has said you need to rely on a team to kill a single person. Not sure where you're getting that.
As for skill in retreating, yeah it does actually take skill too get out of a hairy situation. Map awareness, knowledge of the best routes, quick reflexes, and timing. As others have pointed out, you can't just sprint away either since you need to be at full speed to not get shot out of it.
Running around constantly like an idiot isn't skilled play and doesn't use sprint properly.
FUNKNOWN iXi
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I think your argument would be better served approaching it not from a general teamwork perspective because there was a SHIT TON of teamwork needed in CE to be effective (you can't 2v1 and think you'll win against good players, that shit only works against people who aren't timing and are unaware of the meta game), but from an angle of TEAM SHOOTING.
In later games you are pretty much required to team shoot to be effective, otherwise people can easily escape with thrusters and sprint while checking their OP motion tracker. Kill times went up after CE, so the power of an individual player was drastically impacted. It's a matter of team shooting (more specific under the umbrella of "teamwork").
lol
I know isn't it great? I thought something was missing from this OT
ProvenDeadly
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I just want to let everyone know, if you haven't noticed, when you get shot, you don't stop sprinting. So yes, people still run away which rarely happened in previous Halo games.
Running around in circles is a gross oversimplification. Sprinting wasn't really the aspect I was referring to anyway, thrusters is where skill comes into play. Effective usage of them requires skill, yes they're used to thrust around corners, but that's not their only use.
Also effectively sprinting away does require skill, depending on the situation. You need to know when and where to retreat, it requires very good map knowledge and excellent knowledge of the enemy movements and positions. You also need to be good at utilising the different movement options. If you're playing a competent team 90% of the time you will die if you just blindly run.
Oh, and if you're relying on teammates to kill one person, you suck. Plain and simple.
I actually really enjoy some of the cat and mouse gameplay. Getting away from a really hairy situation can be really exciting. Effectively intercepting and taking out someone who attempts to run away is also quite satisfying.
You cannot sprint away if you're getting shot, it keeps resetting. If a person reaches max speed, then they can run through shots.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
jem pliss -- You need to team shoot to be effective in Halo 5 against good players, there's no way around it, especially with motion tracker.
ProvenDeadly
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Maybe you are playing a sweet version of the game most of the Halo community isn't playing, but literally getting out of dodge and hauling ass down a corridor when you are one shot doesn't require "expert map knowledge". It doesn't require much of anything at all actually. All it requires you to do is turn around, hold down the button or stick, and run away as you sprint for as long as you want, with little to no consequence.