Bungie delivered a fully functional game, 343 still hasn't done that 2 months after release. Not even close to being comparable, good lord.
"It's functinal, but still worse over all"
Do you even read what you're writing? Holy shit.
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
- Thread starter VisceralBowl
- Start date
Bungie delivered a fully functional game, 343 still hasn't done that 2 months after release. Not even close to being comparable, good lord.
"It's functinal, but still worse over all"
Do you even read what you're writing? Holy shit.
Crucible works fine for me.
We're not arguing whether someone likes the game or not, we're talking about a game actually working when you pay for it.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Something is obviously up at Bungie...
They fired Marty and Staten quit. The game is underwhelming. Where there is smoke there is fire. But the game works and that is something 343 was not able to accomplish.
343 had the 14 day buy and play program and MCC had some pre-launch issues. They were quick to say, "old build!" If someone didn't believe 343 then I wouldn't exactly blame them. I don't think they were lying but I don't think the game had 0 issues pre-launch.
In terms of also being a disappointing game delivered by what should be a top-notch AAA developer?
Absolutely.
They are two completely different kinds of disappointment to be sure. MCC is FUNCTIONALLY flawed--a package of excellent games at its core but with a flawed overarching interface. Destiny offers an exciting combat to be sure as well, but to me at its core it's a mediocre game with the same 30 second combat loop repeating over and over (similar to Halo's but not as good), endlessly spongey boss fights and a hopelessly irritating RNG loot system. Bungie absolutely failed to deliver on what was teased/promised at the past two E3 (and other) conferences.
Prinz Eugn
Member
Stinkles post analysis:
Basically, what happened was way worse than what they expected, which leaves substantial room for problems they knew about prior to release.
Which is why I think big questions remain about how much they knew about the state of the "build" when they released it. Namely, how much of a shitshow did they think is was going to be?
Basically, what happened was way worse than what they expected, which leaves substantial room for problems they knew about prior to release.
Which is why I think big questions remain about how much they knew about the state of the "build" when they released it. Namely, how much of a shitshow did they think is was going to be?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
When they fix the game which and guess what? It isn't going to happen any time within the next couple months.
How many times have they claimed they fixed uneven team games now?
In other news, an hour after trying to start playing MCC, not a single game. Amazing.
and bungies game was traded in for me because they basically told me to fuck of on my disconnect issues.
I feel like there was a lot of the fixes they knew they'd have to make in the first patch. Not the content patch that contained a large portion of what couldn't fit on disc, but instead what they knew would happen. I don't think they knew how bad it would be once it hit the living room.
Yea. I play it all the time too. Does Crucible not work for you or something?
SatansReverence
Hipster Princess
Microsoft is very confident in Halo 5
_____________________
We will pay you to buy it!
_____________________
_____________________
We will pay you to buy it!
_____________________
*smashes you with fist of havoc from 20ft away*
YourExWife
Member
Poker Face
Member
well one disappointment is currently the top played xbox live game and the other is barley clinging on to the top 10 spot.
but yea bungie sucks, destiny is bad, it's basically MCC. lol
Flawed? It's broken, not flawed.
Talking Destiny with diehard Xbox fans is an experience.
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Destiny may have been disappointing but selling you a broken product is in a whole other tier.
Lol what a pitiful shirt.
Damn, a license plate? What a steal!
We are talking about the games released and the Devs involved. I'm comparing the 2 and assessing which is actually worse overall to me. I'd rather have a glitchy game that I know will be amazing when it's fixed than an okay game that I know will never be what it could've been because the dev (that seems to be going through an internal crisis) lied and won't explain shit.
What's the issue here?
343 had major issues as a dev, with communication, and in design when they started out I agree. However they've shown that they can not only admit past mistakes, but that they are willing to try and actually improve and listen. That "Buy and Play" bullshit was awful and I still hate thinking about it. However since then we've seen improvement.
I don't know what's happened to Bungie.
It's heart wrenching to see a dev that I once respected doing what it has. I don't know if it's different people in charge, Activision being Activision, or some other third thing. I just don't know that they are the Bungie I once loved. It saddens me to no end. Maybe they'll get better eventually. I don't know. Just gonna have to wait and see.
Well I doubt they expected a shit show at all, let alone one of this magnitude.
There's room for analysis I suppose, but what else does they need to say if we've already been promised an explanation?
If Franks optimism is to be believe, they're close.
Not sure what else to say. I just don't feel the need for much else. They've promised to fix it and they've promised an explanation. Nothing else to really do besides wait. That's just my reasoning.
I don't think they've said anything about uneven teams actually besides the general "improved team matching" or whatever
Reagan's BR
Banned
My favorite is the people who think the xbox OS is great.
Who gives a shit about Xbox here? I've been gaming on any console I could get since I could hold a controller.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
While you argue about this, 343 laughs because motion tracker slides by another night without being mentioned. Is this what happens when I don't post for several pages?
#NoMotionTracker
#NoMotionTracker
#BuffTheMagnum
Regret Upon Approval
Member
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Or ya know, I've experienced games I was equally as excited for which turned out just as bad or worse, can look past certain things when there's the promise in the long term, have empathy. That kind of basic, easy explainable stuff. Not like I might have buddies with Ones who own the MCC. Nope.
I guess people just can't analyze things without direct experience
Look, I'm not trying antagonize here. First off, not an Xbox/MS fanboy at all here. I am a HALO fanboy to be sure. MCC was the primary reason I bought the Xbox One (and did so less than a week before MCC launch)--it's the only console FPS game/series I give two shits about. In that sense, I'm very biased towards Halo in general to the point of fault I'll admit.
I'm not here to blindly praise 343i for anything. About six months ago, I was champing at the bit in anticipation for this past fall's releases in the form of Bungie's all-new IP Destiny, 343i's MCC, and Nintendo's Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire. Of these, in my view only Pokemon lived up to my expectations. I had grown bored of Destiny about a month after playing and yet I'm still here tonight playing both Halo and Pokemon.
These are just my personal views. As a game release, of course MCC is the bigger disgrace, but I still suffer through it because I can play some of my most favorite console games of all time (when things are actually working, lol). Destiny is way more popular too of course, because it's on FOUR CONSOLES instead of just one. It is also more popular in my opinion, because Bungie too doubled down in terms of game design by seeking to attract the "casual" or CoD shooter crowd, but instead with a sci-fi flavor. As much shit as 343i catches for supposedly doing this, I'm really surprised that folks at least around GAF abstain from lobbing the same accusations towards Bungie.
Does Fist of Havoc make Destiny not fully functional?
YourExWife
Member
ITT: People who think we'll actually get an honest postmortem.
Prinz Eugn
Member
You seriously don't have MCC? Why invest so much effort in outright ignorance? Is there some role-play league for people who like to pretend they know what they're talking about?
Regret Upon Approval
Member
Lets beg Geoff for the Final Hours of the Halo mess up
Yeah, don't you know? FoH deletes player data.
Yeah, don't you know? FoH deletes player data.
Reagan's BR
Banned
We won't. Would love for an employee to "leak" the whole story.
YourExWife
Member
brb, typing up pastebin
RE: Crucible
Functional?
Yes
Balanced, feasibly competitive and/or generally enjoyable?
Another story completely. It's like Reach 2.0 to me.
Holy shit. Wow.
You guys are amazing. Do you genuinely believe your experience with the game is so unique? That your frustrations haven't been experienced by other people about other games? What is so special about this?
What's this about ignorance?
I've been keeping up with everything going with the MCC. I've seen the lists of bugs. I've watched the video upon video of gameplay and glitches. I've read the constant roller coaster of comments from the community. I CARE about Halo and the community. That's where I stand. I enjoy being a part of it. That's why I invest so much effort in trying to remind you guys that shit could be worse and it will get better. I LIKE YOU PEOPLE.
Its insane
I haven't defended the MCC once. I've just been trying to remind everyone that there is something to look forward to and 343 aren't the cartoon super villains they're made out to be. This conversation started with Proven spouting off the usual "Worst company ever" and sarcastic bullshit.
Nah the current argument is about how special everyone who owns the MCC is
It's easy to look past things when you didn't throw any money down on it.
I'm not even that tore up about MCC anymore, but to these dudes who bought the console only for MCC, posts like yours are just not a good look to them.
Pathetic. Get back to me when you drop $450 on something that doesn't work.
Reagan's BR
Banned
So you were upset with the people who are mad at 343?
Did you even read this part of the post you quoted:
Nobody is saying, "Frankie is evil" or "Let's make sure ____ loses their job". People are saying things ranging from "343 is the worst dev" to "It is really disappointing that the game doesn't work".
Edit: In with the rest of the I bought an xbox for this game camp.
Ryn, you're a passionate user, no doubt. I don't think anybody would doubt your love of Halo here. But you simply cannot relate to those of us who have spent time, love, patience and money on MCC.
Your best bet is to understand that you can't ever understand how we feel... MCC is a disaster, and until you've been through what we've been through, you can't relate... no matter how hard you try.
Your best bet is to understand that you can't ever understand how we feel... MCC is a disaster, and until you've been through what we've been through, you can't relate... no matter how hard you try.
ProvenDeadly
Member
I call 343 the worst company ever because LITERALLY everything they have ever done/ associate themselves with is broken or has serious flaws. They lied to their consumer, they continue to lie to this day. "nearly every game is on dedicated servers!!!!" Etc, etc.
The vast majority of people hated Halo 4 and they had the nerve to try and fix that pile of garbage
Halo would be better off with a dev that had a clue about what they are doing.
The vast majority of people hated Halo 4 and they had the nerve to try and fix that pile of garbage
Halo would be better off with a dev that had a clue about what they are doing.
ProvenDeadly
Member
Based on the tone of HaloGAF tonight, I think it's an appropriate time to bring this out:
That sums up how the Halo community feels in general nowadays.
god I wanna fucking die...
ProvenDeadly
Member
I'm sorry that you and the 10% of the Halo community like the direction 343 is heading.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
WELP
Here it is then
I just don't see how your guys frustration is any different from any other game that someone was equally as excited for and potentially more disappointing. Sonic 06 for instance. People were excited as hell, myself included. That game was a travesty and was NEVER FIXED. It had more bugs than you would've thought possible. How about the people that were stoked for Duke Nukem?
13 years of waiting and anticipation obliterated by a glitchy game with longer loading times than a moving truck for Bill Gates.
I've never understood the mentality that if you don't actually experience it directly, you couldn't possibly know what it's like, that you aren't allowed to comment on it, and that's how it is. It makes no sense to me. Maybe I just operate on another set of ideals.
If you guys genuinely think I can't relate therefore anything I say is invalid, then I can't do anything to change that. If my opinion didn't change after suffering through the MCC like you guys did though, I have to wonder if my opinion would just be dismissed some other way.
/ramblings of a real human bean
Here it is then
I just don't see how your guys frustration is any different from any other game that someone was equally as excited for and potentially more disappointing. Sonic 06 for instance. People were excited as hell, myself included. That game was a travesty and was NEVER FIXED. It had more bugs than you would've thought possible. How about the people that were stoked for Duke Nukem?
13 years of waiting and anticipation obliterated by a glitchy game with longer loading times than a moving truck for Bill Gates.
I've never understood the mentality that if you don't actually experience it directly, you couldn't possibly know what it's like, that you aren't allowed to comment on it, and that's how it is. It makes no sense to me. Maybe I just operate on another set of ideals.
If you guys genuinely think I can't relate therefore anything I say is invalid, then I can't do anything to change that. If my opinion didn't change after suffering through the MCC like you guys did though, I have to wonder if my opinion would just be dismissed some other way.
/ramblings of a real human bean
I get that frustration. Hell I helped my brother buy his game if it's about putting money into it.
Proven, I was agreeing with you... I'm depressed as hell. What the fuck?...
edit: god damnit funknown, you're ruining an amazing movie for me.... pls, stahp.
Link doesn't work man.