yuuuup. still holding out hope for things like you mention. amazing that while forge has seem some pretty significant improvements, actually accessing that content has barely changed at all. amazing there isnt some sort of marketplace, ala trials, where you can vote on maps at the very least. ideally, there could even be a dedicated playlist that pulls from the highest rated maps. i'd enjoy a forge playlist with a shit ton of content, even if not all of it was AAA-tier. this would also, rather quickly i'd imagine, weed out the worst of the "highly rated" maps.
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Halo |OT 23| Thruster is Love, Thruster is Life
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yuuuup. still holding out hope for things like you mention. amazing that while forge has seem some pretty significant improvements, actually accessing that content has barely changed at all. amazing there isnt some sort of marketplace, ala trials, where you can vote on maps at the very least. ideally, there could even be a dedicated playlist that pulls from the highest rated maps. i'd enjoy a forge playlist with a shit ton of content, even if not all of it was AAA-tier. this would also, rather quickly i'd imagine, weed out the worst of the "highly rated" maps.
assuming i know what you were going to say... i never saw much results from the community cartographer system (aside from getting a small number of maps actually into matchmaking) and think there is a better way. not a knock against the cartographers themselves btw.
Actually not even that
Earlier in Reach's run, there were playlists with a shit-ton of Forge maps in them that lasted for a week. The idea was that the community votes would be taken into account, then the favorite maps from each huge batch would get more of a look, sent back for refinements, then promoted into the rest of matchmaking. The Cartographers were only a small group that could submit maps into that pool. The reason the playlists only lasted a week or so was because it was known that some of the maps could be potentially glitchy, so letting them only exist in MM for a short bit would keep people from unfairly disliking a map for bugs.
They stopped this system shortly a bit before takeover because Bungie had no idea if/how Reach would be updated after they handed it off, so the idea there was to get a bunch of new known super-tested variety of content in before the cutoff. So they didn't have time for experimental playlists like that anymore. 343 never picked up this idea where it left off. I thought it was great, personally. It didn't have the bottleneck of the CC-only system because CCs ended up having to directly test all content for playlist updates..
"Everything"
*Relating to Forge since Halo 4's release. Context, people
Good stuff there. I think the similar terminology might get confusing to some people, but some sort of bundling would be great.
User 73706
Banned
I do distinctly remember getting to play a bunch of matches on unique Forge maps every couple of weeks back then. Most notable was probably a game of CTF on this kind of stout, heavy-set Blood Gulch / Containment / Timberland hybrid with really big, elaborate bases, hilly terrain and a couple of encampments placed throughout the terrain. I was playing with drunk sai and we were killing it for all of, like, 3 games. The buzzed battlefield in sai is real.
Any idea when we'll hear some campaign stuff? E3 most likely? I just finished playing through 4 again (achievement whore) and I actually enjoyed it more than I remember, from a story stand point. Open those environments more and make it more fun to fight the Promethean/Forerunners, and it could be interesting.
This is obviously based on a limited look at Halo 5's Forge, but I honestly think it's a bit disappointing. It took five games with Forge to get from not being able to to color objects to being able to paint relatively big parts of objects in different colors. Five games. With every game the colored strip got a tiny bit bigger. An improvement of course, but at this point I would've rather seen a completely different Forge mode. A Forge mode where we can create proper maps. A Forge mode where we can create maps that don't all look the same. A Forge mode where people's first reaction isn't: "ugh, a Forge map."
Sure, the new additions in Halo 4 and H2A were nice and neat things to experiment with, but mostly they're small additions to an already existing base Forge mode. Triggers, trait volumes, and shadows are great, but if in the end we still end up with about as little visual variety in between maps in Halo 5 as we did in Halo Reach you know something is wrong. Forge needs to get huge changes in terms of how they deal with the visuals of the maps, maybe even a completely overhaul of how the mode works.
I personally don't mind much what a map looks like (to a certain level of course) as long as it plays well, but the visual similarities between the Forge maps is a clear issue for something like matchmaking. A lot of players dislike this aspect of Forge and begin to dislike the mode itself because of it. This is why at this point I'm really tired of having to work with grey square blocks yet again.
Welfare
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Just any Halo game?
Gabotron ES
Member
I think it has something to o with engine limitations, if we don't have terrain editing by now it must be becuase of that right?
I also think the different lighting setting help the maps feel a bit different, hopefully we get a night setting along with the pale morning and reddish sunset we got in the beta.
Once the basic geometry of your map is done clever coloring of the pieces will definitely play a major role in getting your map to feel somewhat distinct.
Sikamikanico
#1 Dad
haha, noooo!
Just miss making montages/videos. Used to make all the kill videos for my wow guild back in the day
You can change geometry in the Halo engine in real time with the Halo engine, although in previous titles this was a bit sketchy. In a new title you'd be able to deal with it. Historically it's just been easier to repurpose dynamic objects as 'terrain' ala the Reach / Halo 4 / Halo 2A rocks
It feels more like this more a result of Forge not getting a very big budget in programmer time and overall project scope. It's another duct tape on top of what was started in Halo 3.
I personally think the Halo 3 style of Forge has hit it's peak, outside of quality-of-life improvements they could make to it. Even Halo 2 Anniversary Forge still has the object limit of Halo 3. Unless they're going to swerve us with "these are just premade terrain maps, and Forge is just the object editor".
Also they NEED the ability to generate map preview thumbnails this time.
It feels more like this more a result of Forge not getting a very big budget in programmer time and overall project scope. It's another duct tape on top of what was started in Halo 3.
I personally think the Halo 3 style of Forge has hit it's peak, outside of quality-of-life improvements they could make to it. Even Halo 2 Anniversary Forge still has the object limit of Halo 3. Unless they're going to swerve us with "these are just premade terrain maps, and Forge is just the object editor".
Also they NEED the ability to generate map preview thumbnails this time.
Munch Poke
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Yeah man I've seen the many discussions on here and I've played with funknown enough that I believe you guys that CE is still a fast game. And while that's all good and dandy two and three are still very sluggish playing them again, especially 3. And while they're both wonderful games I played far too much Reach and ran sprint every game, so it's grown on me far too much.
I've always agreed if a higher base speed was used I wouldn't mind sprints removal but it always seems to be an ice skating rink in games with higher speed, although I'm sure that can be corrected. I've just never had a problem with things like Sprint and thruster helping get into and out of battles, knowing when to run and not give the other team a kill is an asset to your team. Shit, if only my random teammates would know when to bail.
User 73706
Banned
I think I just found the original inspiration for the Halo 2 shotgun
I agree with the use of thrusters. In the beta, it helped get into and out of battle. Sprint was not terrible. But like you mentioned, if the overall speed was on CE levels, I don't think sprint is as necessary.
By speed we're talking time to kill right?
If time to kill increased a bit more in Halo 5, it would punish people running aimlessly around the maps. The no shield recharge tied to sprint definitely helps though.
AND I'M JUST GONNA SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE
I can't escape that song. I just can't. If only I didn't secretly love it so much.
Great work with the montage! Lots of cool stuff in there. I regret that my mediocre overkill extermination is the only thing I remembered to record. I never remember to do the double tap guide button and select record once things settle down and my shields are up.
I can't escape that song. I just can't. If only I didn't secretly love it so much.
Great work with the montage! Lots of cool stuff in there. I regret that my mediocre overkill extermination is the only thing I remembered to record. I never remember to do the double tap guide button and select record once things settle down and my shields are up.
Poker Face
Member
song is terrible pls stop
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Can juniors be a part of this montage? I have a clip or two I firmly believe could be described as, "decent or good enough."
Pm me and I'll see
Feel like this would be a great song to cut with,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUf6p5Inc08&list=PLvLpqR9VfgDBZpl9D1wfdkyK_2--xT00B
My montage skills don't go past the share factory however.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUf6p5Inc08&list=PLvLpqR9VfgDBZpl9D1wfdkyK_2--xT00B
My montage skills don't go past the share factory however.
10/10 would snuggle
SaganIsGOAT
Junior Member
Sweet you won't regret this decision.
I wonder what the ETA will be for everyone getting the patch then
YourExWife
Member
Damn, I'm gonna hop on and buy that today - totally forgot about it. Need something to play at least.
I cracked the million mark in the first game. It was a one-off while inebriated somehow and I've never been able to do it again. I have no idea how the people who pulled off massive scores did it.
lol9
Munch Poke
Member
Totally but honestly any faster and it would be too punishing to ever leave the corner you hide behind. While I love how that encouraged team play more I think it's fast enough right where it is. Although the pistol could use an improvement.
And I promise that shield recharge mechanic is pretty punishing as is. I had to completely rethink running up to multiple people simply because of how much damage they could dish out quickly but even more so that I had to stop running to charge back up.
The TTK definitely does not need increasing in 5. It's almost too fast as it is.
Arby 'n' the Chief
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isaiahpmarshall
Neo Member
I wonder if Frank still lurks among us.
Prinz Eugn
Member
Just remember to keep the trash talk PC
Welfare
Member
Cross posting with updated data.
This just in!
Battlefield 4, a game released 427 days, or 1 year, 2 months, and 1 day ago, is beating Halo MCC in population.
How can I be sure?
Your Xbox can tell you. Go to the game store and there will be a section of top games right now. BF4 is at the end of the list. MCC is no where on the list.
BF4 right now? 20,095 people are playing.
MCC? Below that.
343, how could you fuck this up?
This just in!
Battlefield 4, a game released 427 days, or 1 year, 2 months, and 1 day ago, is beating Halo MCC in population.
How can I be sure?
Your Xbox can tell you. Go to the game store and there will be a section of top games right now. BF4 is at the end of the list. MCC is no where on the list.
BF4 right now? 20,095 people are playing.
MCC? Below that.
343, how could you fuck this up?
Arby 'n' the Chief
Member
I'm sure he does from time to time but from what I've seen he's mostly posting in the OT section.
I wouldn't blame him, the MCC threads these days are filled salt towards 343 lots and lots of salt.
They might as well discount the game for the population's sake.