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Is there really any doubt that it's B? It's obvious that everything that happened since yesterday has been a maor mistake that Microsoft is now trying to backpedal on. It's damage control, pure and simple.

Well, to be fair we haven't heard an "official" statement/press release from MS or 343 yet. This is all based on a forum post by some low-level Xbox support account that Kotaku quoted.

Maybe tomorrow's statement will be a bit more honest about what exactly happened and why we weren't informed before people started buying the map.

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I'm still just disappointed that they tried charging people $10 for a map pack while three on-disc maps go unused in matchmaking. I don't care if they're forge environments, the majority of the Halo 4 population has never played a single match on them and would treat them as "new" maps.
 

Computron

Member
This would all be hysterical if it wasn't so bad.

Is this temporary? Was it a bug? Was it reimbursement for specialization code delay? Were we ever intended to get specializations? Why was it possible for people with the specialization code to buy to map pack? Will people who bought the pack/season pass/LE and played within the first 14 days be reimbursed? Why didn't anyone announce this? Where the fuck is the press release? What the fuck is even happening?

Jesus Christ, I mean, it's one thing to make a small mistake. It's another thing to make several small mistakes, and it's another thing completely for the entire marketing campaign of your flagship franchise be a abominable parade of terrible mistakes.

Where the fuck was this announced? Why isn't there an official announcement? Why the fuck hasn't anyone shouted "HAHA, SURPRISE!" ?

WHAT IS THIS? WHAT IS MY LIFE?

I don't understand. Life is so confusing....


....I need someone to post a .GIF that will set all of this straight for me.
 

Tawpgun

Member
But that's NO DIFFERENT from missing out on some sort of sale (even an "unannounced" one). Item is $10. I get it on sale for $8. I save $2. Item goes on sale the next day for $5. I STILL SAVED $2.

I think it is different, especially considering microsofts new story of this mysterious surprise special offer that no one heard about until now. It's like buying an Ipod in advance only to find out its being offered for free to U.S. customers.

Had you known about this offer you would have never bought it in advance. It's absolutely scammy and poor business practice to have surprise secret giveaways after people have already paid for the product beforehand. At first we thought it was unintentional. Now apparently its intentional. But no one knows what the hell is going on.

And your money analogy makes no sense. Assuming they aren't taking away the maps from freeloaders and assuming they aren't reimbursing LE/Pass/People who bought the map legit people... Then pass users are losing $5. Early buyers are losing $10.

People who got the maps for free get
Crimson - $0
Majestic - $10
Castle - $10
TOTAL: $20

Pass owners
Pass - $25
Maps without pass $30 = Savings of $5.
Free Crimson without pass = $20 = loss of $5
TOTAL: $25

Early buyers
Crimson - $10
Majestic - $10
Castle - $10
TOTAL: $30

Had they waited they would have saved $10.

What kind of business lets people buy a product only to make it free within a few hours without anyone having prior knowledge of this? This isn't a sale, this isn't a special offer.

I seriously can't believe you're trying to justify this. I agree some reactions are harsh, and honeslty, like others said, if this means more people having DLC than whatever, I'm fine with it. But being pissed off at being scammed out of 5 or 10 bucks is a reasonable reaction to have.
 

Computron

Member
Drop one of dem hot Halo 2 gifs.

I don't got any fresh new ones on me right now so i'll just drop this guy down here:


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..... hughh... .....Ok, everything is slowly coming together again....
 
It's funny but its almost the same thing: having an obvious accident then turning around and saying it wasn't but it was actually a reward or trial of sorts, enjoy!

It's the lying and communication that gets me, but the defending of it is starting to get to me worse. Makes no sense to defend it.

If they aren't lying, then the communication is a huge issue which may as well be lying.

Exactly. Guess I'm a self-centered person.
 

Tunavi

Banned
Tomorrows bulletin: We're sorry about the mix-up, so for our season pass holders, we will reimburse you with a free halo truck in forza!
 

Tawpgun

Member
I hope they address this in the bulletin, alleviate some anger and fears. Or at least drop a sorry this happened, nothing we can do truth-bomb to at least put a close to it.
 

TCKaos

Member
Tomorrows bulletin: We're sorry about the mix-up, so for our season pass holders, we will reimburse you with a free halo truck in forza!

I don't even know what my reaction would be with that. I think I would simply cease processing information for a few moments as I lay on the floor.

EDIT:
In other news, this image was just found in some code on waypoint:
grifball.png


I think I ruined the big reveal for tomorrow's matchmaking playlist update in the bulletin. Better luck next week with the focus group roulette. Maybe we'll get Big Team Objective.

EDIT THE SECOND:
extraction.png


Extraction seems to have one of its own.
 
I hope they address this in the bulletin, alleviate some anger and fears. Or at least drop a sorry this happened, nothing we can do truth-bomb to at least put a close to it.

Something like this?

"Hey all. Unfortunately, due to a validation error on the part of the Xbox Live Services in relation to the Halo 4 Specilisations Code, there was a portion of the playerbase who wrongly were deemed eligible to obtain the Crimson DLC for free. While we appreciate the eagerness of those fans we ultimately want to honour the legitimate purchases from the remaining fans. Those who have been able to get the maps for free will have a week to try and play the mps along with the rest of the community. From the 19th onwards, however, we'll be restricting access to that content until either the 2000MSP Halo 4 Season Pass or the 800MSP Crimson DLC are purchased."

Unlikely.
 

Tawpgun

Member
I don't even know what my reaction would be with that. I think I would simply cease processing information for a few moments as I lay on the floor.

EDIT:
In other news, this image was just found in some code on waypoint:
grifball.png


I think I ruined the big reveal for tomorrow's matchmaking playlist update in the bulletin. Better luck next week with the focus group roulette. Maybe we'll get Big Team Objective.

Would prefer BTB objective. Or classic.

But I really want to play Halo 4 Grifball. Saw some gameplay of it. Ball throwing looks legit. Plus easy challenge/commendation farm.
 

Not a Jellyfish

but I am a sheep
Servers down for anyone else?

I cannot join a party, when I go to war games I am greeted with a message saying the servers are down and it is displaying some default playlist, BTB has 3 people in it, Slayer has 43... wtf
 

Satchel

Banned
So we might as well get pissed off at anyone who wins the game in a contest or something, right? I mean, they got something for free that (gasp!) I PAID FOR!

Guess what? I still got what I paid for. I'm still HAPPY with what I paid for. I couldn't give a flying shit about someone else getting it for cheaper or for free, because it actually doesn't really affect me. If you never knew that others got the map pack for free, would it bother you? No? Then it really didn't affect you. (Yes, I'm sure all the argumentalists in the room will figure out scenarios where that argument breaks down eventually; it works for this)

The key is what is your priority? This is gonna sound super-soapboxy, but the issue really just stems from everyone focusing on themselves; what they can get; making sure no one else can possibly get something better. I think that's where my problem lies. It in a community that rather than say, wow, that's cool, more people will get these maps and more people might be playing them, they say "OH NO! BULLSHIT! They get it for less than me!"

I paid for the map pass too. And guess what, it's still cheaper than buying all three packs. That's the point. Let's make sure there are just no sales on anything ever again. That way, everyone will be the same, pay the same, get the same. That must be utopia right?

I paid for something. I got my value out of it. I love the community. I'm happy that some people get a good deal too by getting one of these packs for free.

It's not brown-nosing. It's not kiss-ass. It's also not being a self-centered me-me-me whiny jerk.

I actually would normally agree with you.

But in THIS particular instance, you're wrong.
 
Hey everyone. I know you're all distracted by this big Crimson map pack issue, but you should probably know that if you want a Halo 4 LE Amazon still has some left. You better hurry though because SUPPLIES ARE LIMITED. Better pick one up now before they run out! You don't want to be caught in the cold on Nov. 6!
 

Homeboyd

Member
lolllll

You know.. like a 16 hour day at work today. Get home... check GAF. Like 9 billion new pages...

Something happened. But what?

...

Oh.

Hahahaha I mean... wow lol That was great fun catching up on today's events and all of your responses. I mean, I got taken for a fuckin ride too... but the value it added to this thread and the entertainment I got from reading everyone's responses was well worth the difference. That is some good shit. People pay to be entertained. This was entertainment. Money well wasted spent.

"...as a “thank you” to our customers that contributed to the success of the Halo 4 launch"

Ahahahahah that shit is fucking gold

You can't make this stuff up. You just can't.
 

Satchel

Banned
I'm calling it right now, people with the LE will also lose their maps and Microsoft has no clue how that happened and it has to be fixed.

Yeah i reckon this too.

if they revoke, im betting ALL of us will get it revoked.

Although we shouldn't. Surely they have a process in place where that initial scan the game does for content sees who has the pass and who doesn't.
 

blamite

Member
Any news on the Bigfoot and Size is Everything achievements? Does anybody know if you need to get all 20 kills in a single match, or do they add up between games?
 

blamite

Member
They add up

Fantastic, I now have at least a slight chance of getting them.

Since Shatter is the only map that has either a Mantis or a machine gun turret, I'm guessing the game only tracks the stat on that map.

So none of the achievements are exploitable in any way, or there are easy ways to do them?
Most of the ones involving Mancannons seem glitched, I got ODST and Special Delivery while nowhere near one. You can get Clay Pidgeon easily by camping Harvest's gravity lifts with the Boltshot, and the rest could be boosted easily with a 6-player party.
 

Homeboyd

Member
So none of the achievements are exploitable in any way, or there are easy ways to do them?
I think they all are. In fact, it appears the hardest possible way to do them is as intended. The easiest being the opposite of what they tell you to do. Best bet is to just run around and do random shit. They'll pop eventually.

For instance, killing someone from the grave unlocks ODST. Why? Because. That's why.
 
That's fine. We can agree to disagree. I can completely understand being upset largely at how it's been handled from the PR/marketing end. I totally get that. What I don't get is the notion of being livid someone else might have gotten something for free that you paid for. Them getting it for free doesn't diminish it's value. If it does, maybe it wasn't that valuable to you to begin with. In fact, maybe that's what this whole thing boils down too. I'm not bothered because I think that the maps are worth 2400 (all three packs). I paid (essentially) 2000. Therefore, I got a great deal. It bothers me none whatsoever that someone else might get it for free. Lord knows I've gotten my fair share of freebies. I've got no issue with others getting some too.

I still love you all and apologize for some of my over-combativeness. It's been an odd evening.
 

blamite

Member
from the other thread



This will screw up some LE/Season Pass owners even more somehow, no doubt.
The most I can imagine happening is they revoke access from anybody who had the Spec code, Map Pass, and LE, and put up a new version LE and Map Pass people need to download to replace it. I can't imagine they actually manage to screw this up even further.
 

enzo_gt

tagged by Blackace
Most of the ones involving Mancannons seem glitched, I got ODST and Special Delivery while nowhere near one. You can get Xlay Pidgeon easily by camping Haven's gravity lifts with the Boltshot, and the rest could be boosted easily with a 6-player party.
Wait.. those don't even have to be on the Crimson maps?
 

Ryaaan14

Banned
I will guarantee Halo 5 will follow the same bullshit SKU model Halo 4 did despite all these issues.

I am pretty sure Microsoft would be in charge of calling the shots and I'll be damned if they aren't a bunch of out of touch suits who have no damn clue what consumers want.
 

Not a Jellyfish

but I am a sheep
Fuck this shit, I am connect to live, can send messages to friends see who is on but for some reason this fucking game keeps telling me I have lost my connection to xbox live and keeps switching me to local xbox.

Shit is ridiculous.
 
Gonna try at a boosting party for the Crimson Cheevos, message VivaciousJazzy for an invite.

Some tips from our very successful run earlier this evening... Hope some of it helps.

Bry from HBO said:
It'll probably all degenerate into utter chaos anyway, but hopefully we can sort out a few outlines to speed the whole process up for everyone and get back to the good stuff. :)
If nothing else, I'll be referencing this post myself to try and remember how to try and do this!

The Maps

Shatter - The ideal choice as it would seem to be the only map in which every single achievement can be earned.


----Mantis - The only map with them. There is one under the ramp of each teams starting spawn point.

----Detachable Turret - Again, the only map with them. There are two, both located on the walkway between the two main structures. These respawn quite quickly.

----Warthog - Near each teams starting spawn point. It's not the most bumpy of maps, so getting air may be a problem.

----Gravity Lift - These seem to count as Man Cannons, and so should enable ODST, Special Delivery and Clay Pigeon. Not sure where they are, but I'm sure they are there somewhere!

Harvest - This may be the best map for getting "Now They Fly?". Lots of Warthogs and plenty of bumps. Even a few areas that can be used as ramps.
Also features some gravity lifts in the centre building, which again may enable ODST, Special Delivery and Clay Pigeon.

Wreckage - An alternative to Harvest, but in all likelihood not as good. Does feature Warthogs and actual Man Cannons, but doesn't seem especially good for getting warthog air.

What I'm hoping to do is work through peoples achievements alphabetically by their gamertag.
That's not a scheme to get mine first and bugger off, just seems the most straight forward way.

Priority should first go to the Mantis achievements, as they are slowest to respawn.
Ideally, upon hopping into a Mantis, it would be best to move to the centre of the map, near the turrets. This should make it as simple as possible for people to gather for a squishing and return to be flattened again.
Once a person has got the Big Foot achievement, they can hope out for the next person to have their turn. We'll be in teams, so the exchange should be pretty quick and two people can be working towards Big Foot at any one time.

With that done, we'll go to the process of David and Goliath and Pump Your Brakes.
If someone already has Pump Your Brakes, but not David and Goliath, they should go first as you can board the mantis, use a grenade and get the achievement without actually destroying the Mantis.

During the Mantis respawn period, we can then work towards detached turret kills and the 3 man cannon/gravity lift ones. Possibly "Now They Can Fly?" if the terrain proves hilly enough.

So that's the idea but since there are communications limits... I'm sure it'll all go to Hell pretty quick. :p
 

Haunted

Member
Halo: Orange and Blue edition. Jeez, they really overdid that colour scheme.


Just finished the campaign, I liked it! Had a bad start with a friend on coop (missed cutscenes, generally rushed through the first couple levels, the splitscreen is still shit with huge unused space and bad IQ) - but I started over solo and enjoyed my time with it.

I'm a Tron fan, so the aesthetic used in large parts of the game was fine, I like the new enemies, I like the new weapons, I like that with the introduction of the Promethean weapons there's basically three variations of each weapon type to choose from, many with small quirks and differences that keep things interesting, yet manageable. Another good change was to make ammo really sparse, as that encouraged weapon experimentation and quick thinking on your feet while playing. Smart.

I'm not a big fan of their TittyMcSexbot design (second worst tits n ass inspired redesign this year after EDI in Mass Effect), so I didn't really care about that element of the story, but the overall arc with the Didact and the Forerunner planet was well executed. It worked very well as a standalone game. Overall, it's very clear that they took the original Halo as a template for this game in respects to level design and structure, and since I think that's still the best of all the Halos, that suited me just fine.

Probably the best 360 game (not DD) I've played this year.

I'd say my overall ranking goes Halo > 4 > ODST > Reach > Wars > 3 > 2.
 

Brolic Gaoler

formerly Alienshogun
Why do you move so fast when ads...

Also how comes you don't actually have to have the reticle/sights actually on the player for the bullets to register?

I use a stock it lets you move at full speed while ADS. As for the bullets/reticle sometimes being off the player thing this is theater, it works a lot like killcam so the way it shows shit isn't exactly how things went down in game.
 
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