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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo
- Thread starter Overdoziz
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To me a good sandbox is one where every weapon has its niche, and I can get kills with every weapon. For the most part, Halo 4 succeeds pretty spectacularly in the latter; even the pistol is a pretty effective tool for me, so much that for CQC objective games I can roll with an AR/human pistol and rack up kills. On the other hand, the DMR/BR/LR/Carbine overlap is pretty ridiculous (I'd rather they have left the DMR with Reach and turned the LR into something a bit more unique), and while the new Promethean weapons are fun, they aren't filling any new roles.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
Yeah for those it was kind of iffy since you can and in probably most cases should realistically judge them in the context they're in, but I refuse to shit on Halo 4's sandbox after the crap we had in Halo 3/Reach....
....which a lot of people seem to praise ironically
Multiplayer weapon sandbox order IMO:
- Halo 1
- Halo 4
- Halo 2
- Halo Reach
- Halo 3
User 73706
Banned
I would probably rank the sandboxes:
CE
ODST Campaign
Reach / 4
2
3
CE
ODST Campaign
Reach / 4
2
3
Hydranockz
Member
I don't think a lot of the primary weapons are redundant. I just don't believe they are useful at my skill level. Having the option to spawn with an inferior, automatic weapon really isn't an issue for me but I know there is a multitude of people who rely somewhat on having a safety weapon to go to.
Not everyone can use the DMR or BR after all.
Not everyone can use the DMR or BR after all.
So Battle Rifle/Carbine/Light Rifle/Designated Marksman Rifle is all fine and dandy? Or maybe the Suppressor/Assault Rifle/Storm Rifle is all cool too.
"We'll go make our own Halo, with BlackJack and Hookers!"
On second thought, forget the Halo.
EagleBurnn
Banned
No, we need the money. Hookers aren't free brah. The NeoGAF ones might be though.
I was in a pre-game lobby and my mom asked "when did they make a Halo card game?"
so yeah I guess that is what the UI team at 343 wanted.
ravioli, ravioli, give me the bulletinoli
Hydranockz
Member
Well yeah. The BR is a step below DMR but it is a step that a lot of players can't make. The Light Rifle has a nuance to it and certainly isn't as accessible as the BR. Carbine feels like an odd niche for trigger happy folks. I know I tend to hammer that trigger when I have it.
As for the automatics, there are differences with kill times and distances right? marginal ones perhaps but ones that potentially allow different players to feel their groove with one.
On the other hand, you have to look at the very intentional path 343 took to investing players in the game. Having your own Spartan is largely an aesthetic manner. Sure, in Reach, you could list similar complaints about redundant armour pieces. But if I feel different to you because of said pieces, don't they now serve a very real purpose?
Having overlapping guns in the sandbox with very slight tweaks is ok in my books because they help shape players identities as it were. If it doesn't matter which rifle I use, couldn't I just pick the one I think looks coolest?
These priorities drop off for players who focus mainly on the core game for sure but there are plenty of players who enjoy a variety of customization options for their style of play and appearance of their Spartan. Some players just like having that carrot on a stick.
Cutting the seemingly redundant sandbox items reduces the pool of rewards players can look towards as well as the variety needed to further separate your Spartan from others. These are two very solid design decisions made by 343. Gameplay is one part of the equation.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Get ready for the "Is Halo 4 good yet?" gif.
MrGreencastle
Member
Most likely Microsoft and 343 messing around with figuring out how to price episodic content. If we do see it more in the future, I imagine it could be tied in with the Xbox Live gold sub.
/wishfulthinking
Against Sony, the value proposition of Gold is declining pretty drastically.
I wouldn't mind if it actually worked smoothly
Hydranockz
Member
Play splitscreen and it will never appear, ever.
Not gonna lie, I wish they'd fix the final killcams. They are fun to watch, and I've gotten some awesome final kills.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
All fine and dandy? Hardly.
Was Halo 2/3/Reach any better? That's the issue here I think.
OT but interesting watches about the PS4 lol (Keighley's Top 5 PS Moments, Dos and Don'ts)
I hate that in game modes with instant respawn there's no way to get to the classic corpse-cam since the only button for closing the sitrec is also the button to respawn. :/
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
pls be good bulletin, pls be good bulletin, pls be good bulletin.
I'd never subject myself to that torture.
I definitely wouldn't mind them if they showed accurate information, all they feel like right now is a waste of time. If they did work it'd be cool seeing some of the crazy kills people have gotten on me. Final Killcams don't feel Halo-y at all, I'm happy that they took those out.
Yeah, it's even more annoying when I start to impulse turn the right stick in the direction I got killed in only to see the sitrec come up.
EagleBurnn
Banned
Story wise, I want a Season 2. Gameplay wise, I won't pay for content. I could honestly just wait for the episodes to be on YouTube.
But I am a fool. I will complain, yet I will pay, for I have no strong will and too much hope. I'm like the guys who complain about the $15 CoD DLC while waiting for midnight for them to be released. Release me from this prison, 343.
But I am a fool. I will complain, yet I will pay, for I have no strong will and too much hope. I'm like the guys who complain about the $15 CoD DLC while waiting for midnight for them to be released. Release me from this prison, 343.
Please add back Red X's in the TU. I don't see it happening though
Oh god this.
Doubles would be a LOT more playable.
Did you do CE or CEA?
It's really tough keeping track of my team mates in the game. It used to be easy to know where and when your team mates were shooting or being shot at, no more of that. I really miss these small things.
I can tell if my teammate is in combat, but it's hard. The thing flashes blue/purple. I still miss the yellow/orange markers though. They really helped in Reach.
So essentially ignoring how the previous games in the series worked and going straight for the carrot on a stick method to keep people interested until level 50.
I will say it was a direct way to copy CoD. It just doesn't work in Halo. There aren't enough unique attributes to the guns to really separate them from each other or there is one gun that performs a lot better than the other ones.
The way Halo 4 unlocks weapons, AAs and perks is also a flawed system. People want to reach the end goal. To do so, they will do whatever is most effective. You see it in almost every game. I mean, you could look at all of the people that complain that the only way to go through a Halo game is to use Plasma Pistol + main precision weapon. They ignore other potential elements of the sandbox, because one way is more effective than the rest. People do that in the online environment as well.
You'll notice that people use a weapon because they prefer it, they use it because there is a piece of progression tied to it. Just ask your brother why he used the AR for so long. It's not because he liked it, it's because he was trying to unlock the UNSC Loadout Mastery commendation.
CEA, but I used classic music / visuals.
slownod.gif
Classy
CEA Legendary All Skulls On.
Dude, I haven't been this excited for a game since Halo Reach... Damn was that hype misplaced.
Don't let me down again, Bungie.
Please?
Definitely this. I want to get my girlfriend to play some CE. She told me that her friend tried to get her to play it once but he didn't help her and she just kept dying so she automatically hated it.
Don't let me down again, Bungie.
Please?
Definitely this. I want to get my girlfriend to play some CE. She told me that her friend tried to get her to play it once but he didn't help her and she just kept dying so she automatically hated it.
MrGreencastle
Member
Play through in HD. She'll like seeing the leap using the back button. My SO did, anyway.
User 73706
Banned
Wait until the Library puts her to sleep and then slip it in. Pound to the tune of Perilous Journey.
lol wtf
I can't explain how perfectly your avatar has been matching your posts as of recently
still miss the cat
New best post of the thread.
LAUGHTREY
Modesty becomes a woman
Too little too late.