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Halo |OT14| They call it Halo
- Thread starter Overdoziz
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Now that would truly be the point of no return.
Alright, I'll bite. Extraction placement on Haven is bad because Red team has a disadvantage. The little ball thingy spawns on the blue side of the hexagon wall. The B placement has no cover whatsoever. It went contested for what seemed like 3 minutes before I stopped attacking the non-objective enemies and just sat back watching my idiot teammates run right into Railgun and Sniper fire.
As for Extraction itself, I have like 3 games of it and no times did I think this was fun. The Throwback one I had bad teammates, and the other two I had Sai Kun and zerofire or the Elzar squad. It tries to be Assault and it tries to be Territories, but it's successful at neither. When a player goes to capture a point, they are stuck in that arming animation until they die or they capture it. This sucks as a player, because the player mindset becomes one that they have to position themselves just perfectly or else it was completely worthless to have started "extracting".
It has to be fun attacking the objective, defending the objective, and most importantly having the objective. In Extraction, similar to Territories, the attacking and defending of the objective is simply slaying the other team. But when using the objective, Territories allows the player to move and defend themselves. In Assault, you could drop the bomb, or maybe attempt the melee. Extraction means you're still crouching pressing X hoping that they are awful at shooting a motionless target. Of course, you could stop extracting, but that means you're back at square one, assuming you survive.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
That would be a shitty way for 343 to push in the shit of every Canon-junkie
OverHeat
« generous god »
Play with a team problem solve.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
What's the news nerds? Away from my Xbox how is throwdown?
squidhands
Member
Nothing I said was incorrect, and I didn't realize you were so sensitive.
Don't go in alone.
Captain Blood
Member
Is there someplace I can just watch all the Spartan Ops cut scenes? HBO must have them archived somewhere right?
Never mind it is on their front page....yikes.
Never mind it is on their front page....yikes.
lol 'reason: idiot'.
Oblivionmancer
Member
What's most hilarious about taking the Spartan Ops epilogue at face value is that
What's worse is that ridiculous, unearned, poisonously bad 'twist' is basically the only thing of consequence to happen in the finale,
So then, if you don't take that scene as given and assume
then the finale is still crap because they blew their entire narrative load on a 'fake' plot point.
Someone earlier in the thread compared the disappointment here to Mass Effect, 3, which is certainly not fair. In that game, the hack writers at Bioware got to ride off into the sunset with their last minute idiocy. 343 actually has to deal with the consequences of the crap they wrote here either in Spartan Ops Season 2 or in Halo 5, which means I get to choose between 1)hope that they'll dig themselves out of this mess somehow or 2)enjoy the schadenfreude which comes with watching them fail miserably to do so. Either way, they don't just get to leave on this ill-conceived mess.
Halsey, the character 343 has gone to great lengths to demonize specifically because of her willingness to go to any lengths, cross any line to ensure humanity's survival and dominance, would turn against her kind and join a zealot hell-bent on their genocide because--as far as she could possibly know--she happened to catch a stray bullet from a Spartan during an intense and sudden firefight. "Oh Palmer took a shot at Jul M'dama and hit me, therefore the UNSC has betrayed me and I'll piss away everything I've devoted my life to on a personal vendetta against them." Even if she did have actual reason to believe that the entire UNSC had turned on her (whatever that would even mean, given most of humanity thinks she's dead) she nonetheless knows, acknowledges, and accepts responsibility for the fact that she is a war criminal in Glasslands, and then almost immediately upon being let out of her cage, proceeds to hack the AI running the UNSC flagship while deep in hostile territory. I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be smart enough that a kill order coming through after all of that should elicit a reaction more along the lines of 'yeah, kind of surprised that took so long.'
What's worse is that ridiculous, unearned, poisonously bad 'twist' is basically the only thing of consequence to happen in the finale,
which is pretty incredible since Requiem is destroyed, who'd have thought that would be such a 'meh' development.
that Halsey is 'playing' Jul
Someone earlier in the thread compared the disappointment here to Mass Effect, 3, which is certainly not fair. In that game, the hack writers at Bioware got to ride off into the sunset with their last minute idiocy. 343 actually has to deal with the consequences of the crap they wrote here either in Spartan Ops Season 2 or in Halo 5, which means I get to choose between 1)hope that they'll dig themselves out of this mess somehow or 2)enjoy the schadenfreude which comes with watching them fail miserably to do so. Either way, they don't just get to leave on this ill-conceived mess.
CreateNowSleepLater
Member
They need to just get that objective shit out of Team Throwdown. Extraction is nothing but one team camping on a single extraction. If it was like territories it might be better. PO is shit, it still introduces crap like the hardlight shield. If you must have PO why not it let it be regen or something that contributes to teams?
Pretty short time to build a map to be honest. I'll still give it a go nonetheless.
Oh and by the way, what is the player count for FFA? I couldn't seem to find it in the guidelines.
Yeah quitting is real bad. I just had a tie game with a kid quit. People are just too used to being allowed to quit as much as they way. I'm gonna give it a week until the scrubs stop playing.
The overall population is shitty just like your logic. I'm not sensitive, I'm just right.
The overall population is shitty just like your logic. I'm not sensitive, I'm just right.
Thanks for posting this. I found the video recording of Jaime Griesemer's talk about balance; the one on his blog is also good. Really great stuff for anyone interested in game design. I found the "Anticipation" section to be especially important.
Orochinagis
Member
I giggled at Spartan "Esposito" (little husband) in chapter 3.
Hydranockz
Member
I remember back in Reach and Halo 3, y'all would be complaining about the quit penalties. "Quitters will always exist so punishing them is futile" was a common argument. This is why JIP is a good thing which is not to suggest that there should be no penalties for quitting.
Introduce some kind of quit ban or disable the ability to quit so easily AND still have JIP for the times when someone accepts their fate and quits anyway.
I watched Tashi's stream earlier... The amount of lopsided games was pretty sad.
Introduce some kind of quit ban or disable the ability to quit so easily AND still have JIP for the times when someone accepts their fate and quits anyway.
I watched Tashi's stream earlier... The amount of lopsided games was pretty sad.
gAg CruSh3r
Member
I <3 Team Throwdown!
Ya, or just take the "leave game" option out of the menu, so you have to go to the dashboard or shut down your xbox in order to quit.
Really? I don't think that's really a good solution. Mostly because almost none of my friends play Halo 4 anymore....
Shoot me an invite, I will be on tonight until around midnight. And I will not quit! GT = L DIDS L
Enter The 36 Chambers
Member
Just shit on the homie U4ix in Throwdown.
Loving the new playlist
Loving the new playlist
Humans should just stop going near Forerunner installations. They all end up destroyed in the end. I have yet to touch the new season of Spops beyond the first chapter and I'm glad I didn't. 343 have lost me on all fronts and seem to be making no attempt to actually give the people what they want.
It's Reach all over again. They are afraid of changing the game entirely and are creating multiple playlists, with multiple rules that keep changing, and then they get removed a week or two later anyway. What was the point of 'simplifying' Halo when they are just going to try and force people to learn more and more variations of the Halo 4 gametypes. It's already too late to change it as well. 343 should have jumped on the communities thoughts and issues immediately with ideas and fixes.
I'm still seriously pissed that they have yet to change vehicle health and that Plasma Grenades and Plasma Pistols even exist in Loadouts in BTB. They also still have yet to put objective in BTB and have still yet to fix the abomination that is Exile. How did they think a map that small and narrow would be fantastic with a Banshee, Gauss Hog and a Tank?
BTB is all I played Halo Reach for. Invasion also scratched that itch somewhat since it gave vehicle action, but Halo 4 makes me wonder how we managed to get something worse. I'm not going back to play Reach cause it is a bad game that I barely managed to play. Halo 4 isn't even playable to me.
I honestly believe 343 are not what Halo needs and shouldn't be leading the franchise. Hell I don't think Bungie is fit to lead after they gave us Reach.
/Rant
It's Reach all over again. They are afraid of changing the game entirely and are creating multiple playlists, with multiple rules that keep changing, and then they get removed a week or two later anyway. What was the point of 'simplifying' Halo when they are just going to try and force people to learn more and more variations of the Halo 4 gametypes. It's already too late to change it as well. 343 should have jumped on the communities thoughts and issues immediately with ideas and fixes.
I'm still seriously pissed that they have yet to change vehicle health and that Plasma Grenades and Plasma Pistols even exist in Loadouts in BTB. They also still have yet to put objective in BTB and have still yet to fix the abomination that is Exile. How did they think a map that small and narrow would be fantastic with a Banshee, Gauss Hog and a Tank?
BTB is all I played Halo Reach for. Invasion also scratched that itch somewhat since it gave vehicle action, but Halo 4 makes me wonder how we managed to get something worse. I'm not going back to play Reach cause it is a bad game that I barely managed to play. Halo 4 isn't even playable to me.
I honestly believe 343 are not what Halo needs and shouldn't be leading the franchise. Hell I don't think Bungie is fit to lead after they gave us Reach.
/Rant
To me, it seems really simple. Include JiP for social playlists, turn that off or require it to be incredibly strict TrueSkill in order to join for ranked lists. In social, have no quitting penalties. Ranked would have harsher penalties like the quit ban. In Reach, unless you were in Arena, the system couldn't have known whether the player was getting on to shoot the shit or whether they were actively trying to play competitively. Same goes for Halo 4. It's why the social/ranked split is a fairly ideal solution.
TheSchwab_7
Member
God, 343 ruined Halsey. She made the freaking SPARTAN program which if she did not, the war would have been lost and everyone would have just died. Here comes Karen Traviss to make Halsey a fucking war criminal and everyone now hates her when she's the reason they won in the first place. Now she's going to be an enemy in SpOps 2 or Halo 5.
The reason I loved the original trilogy so much was because of the story, but now my god.
I like the Covenant and have always been interested in the religious and political stuff, but can we please stop fighting them in Halo 5? We have done it for 5 games now and I understand that it's just a faction group, but then where the hell are the Elites that are allied with the Arbiter? Where is the Arbiter? He's an awesome and significant character who should be playing a role in the games, not the books.
Introduce new Prometheans, Precursors, Flood, or hell just add some new species to the Covenant like they did with Drones and Skirmishers.
Sorry for the rant, but it's just frustrating.
The reason I loved the original trilogy so much was because of the story, but now my god.
I like the Covenant and have always been interested in the religious and political stuff, but can we please stop fighting them in Halo 5? We have done it for 5 games now and I understand that it's just a faction group, but then where the hell are the Elites that are allied with the Arbiter? Where is the Arbiter? He's an awesome and significant character who should be playing a role in the games, not the books.
Introduce new Prometheans, Precursors, Flood, or hell just add some new species to the Covenant like they did with Drones and Skirmishers.
Sorry for the rant, but it's just frustrating.
Hydranockz
Member
Until the numbers in ranked fall off.
Sounds like a pretty nice solution from where we are. 343 are trying to walk on eggshells trying to keep everyone pleased.
YourExWife
Member
No, they don't.
No, it doesn't. It "spawns" wherever the first team to capture it is located at the time of capture. It allows for strategic captures where you specifically arm it on the side where your team has better sight lines or setups. Or you can purposely arm it in the most open/vulnerable location to make it harder to convert.
So, instead of killing some people and taking advantage of the respawn delay to safely convert or whatever, you and your "idiot teammates" (which is likely why you enjoyed it less) just kept running in 1 at a time going for objective? OK, got it.
This is also incorrect. It seems you need to play the gametype earnestly instead of just joining the complain train this time.
So, it seems that your biggest complaint is that it takes a coordinated effort to get the extraction point. I'm sorry, but I don't see the issue here. If teammates/coordination or knowledge of the gametype is the problem, how is that the gametype's fault?
I know you're one of the good guys, but I genuinely think you could not be more subjectively wrong and factually incorrect in this case.
Yeah - because the other team quitting isn't equally frustrating.
Yeah, 'cause the thing Halo has always needed was more Slayer-only playlists.
The objectives in Throwdown are the primary reason I like it so much. It's the only place in the game where the objective gametype settings actually make sense.
Also how did the whole capturing process get through testing? You normally end up stuck on the spot if you interrupt the capture for a good second or two, and sometimes you end up stuck for a good second or two once it has done capturing.
It just feels like a barely tested unrefined feature they threw in.
It just feels like a barely tested unrefined feature they threw in.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
I am out like trout. Wake me when the team of monkeys hands the keys to Halo to someone else.
First, the top mid extraction point can be extracted from either point in top mid, if you armed on red side, then you need to make a set up in red side to protect that point, but you can do the extraction eithrr on blue or red side.
Second, the point of extraction B is pure set up beforeand aftet extracting, having a person watching on top red, bottom red and if possible top mawkawk.
Extraction requieres the most teamwork as you need to know exactly when to extract, if you go and extract blindly, your experience is going to be awful.
It's not equally frustrating. Makes for a less interesting match, but it's not as bad as being abandoned by your own teammates.
I thought you already left...?
YourExWife
Member
Garrett 2U
Member
Team Throwdown was fun until Deluxe was voted.
The DMR ruins Halo 4.
The DMR ruins Halo 4.
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Not leaving GAF, Halo lol. Spartan Ops shitty conclusion, still can't get into MP, it doesn't matter how good these new maps are if the gameplay still doesn't appeal to me.
Total sacrifice is a weird gamertag. Yeah I do remember playing you. I can't take it anymore though. It's not fun when you lose a team mate right away.
I think all of us save for like 3 people did that. Or at least to some extent.
I play when gaffers play, that's about it. Throwdown's leagues ahead of vanilla Halo 4, but it's only a baby step in the right direction.
Reagan's BR
Banned
Just played Throwdown. Got stuck in a game with loadouts. Horrible. Also sprint + sword and no red x's.
Just kill off loadouts and sprint. I would rather play Team ARs then deal with this randomness.
Just kill off loadouts and sprint. I would rather play Team ARs then deal with this randomness.
Hydranockz
Member
See you next week for another episode of "I thought I was done playing but I wanted to see if 343 could bring me back".
MaximumFlipFlop
Banned
Do you wanna taste my asshole? Because it probably tastes better than your posts. I just worked out too, so it is pretty fucking hot in there.
What do you mean by that?
Does not-ever-playing-with-HaloGAF count as leaving HaloGAF? Like me. No Live Gold, not getting it anymore. Though i still seem to be hanging here so i guess i didn't leave HaloGAF. Halo is afterall more than just the games...
EDIT miss playing with you guys, really. Regret not playing Halo 4 more with HaloGAF last year, i think i played it like twice...