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lybertyboy

Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Can you go more into what it takes for it to pass? What's that process like? Who signs off on it, etc.

I'm pretty far removed from that stuff these days. Any detail I went into would likely be incorrect so it's probably best if I don't.

But basically every game type and map combo across all playlists have to be tested, along with all in-game text strings.
 

Computron

Member
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Allright, well someone can just post when they've redeemed this, let everyone else know.

KThxBye
 

Madness

Member
He does have a point though. At this point, there's no point trying to ruin what those who still play Halo 4 like. Does anyone remember before the thread lock some guy came here and went ballistic at 343 because Infinity slayer started to get slayer pro and stuff. It's probably why we got the new perks with the Pitfall DLC, as well.

Edit: My point being, refocus all efforts on H5, no real point trying to change H4 to try and get people who won't come back.
 
Edit: My point being, refocus all efforts on H5, no real point trying to change H4 to try and get people who won't come back.

EXACTLY, couldn't agree more, new system, another fresh start for 343i, they've got the experience as a team now, im hopeful (like an abused wife) third times a charm right guys? They can't possibly hurt us a third time in a row... right... guys?!

I'm pretty far removed from that stuff these days. Any detail I went into would likely be incorrect so it's probably best if I don't.

But basically every game type and map combo across all playlists have to be tested, along with all in-game text strings.

Thanks for at least giving us an idea though when obviously you didn't even have to respond! </slrp>
 

heckfu

Banned
VG Carl is an actual joke. He was at the Halo4GC running prelim shit and acted like he was way too cool to interact with anyone but pros. Lamest excuse for anyone in a community manager role ever, tries to act like he's one of the "cool kids" instead of doing his job.
 

Blueblur1

Member
I can't speak for the current sustain team, but we investigated doing a playlist consolidation for Halo 3 during my tenure on the team. There were technical concerns about taking up the task due to a variety of issues. Unfortunately I really can't be more specific than that. Additionally, and I hit on this a couple days ago, it can be a tough sell to allocate the amount of test resources you need to do a proper pass on a playlist deliverable. Even with a mere consolidation you need to do a test pass before pushing it out into the wild.

I would guess the team looked at the time available to get an update out before Halo 3 went free and after balancing that against the technical concerns (which are likely more concerning today than 2 years ago) and decided it was best for the entire Halo player population across all games to keep Halo 3 as is.

Am I reading this wrong or does this mean that one of the reasons the team purposely decided not consolidate Halo 3 playlists is that there's a concern that it may negatively impact the other two games? Like cannibalize the population of Reach and Halo 4?
 
EXACTLY, couldn't agree more, new system, another fresh start for 343i, they've got the experience as a team now, im hopeful (like an abused wife) third times a charm right guys? They can't possibly hurt us a third time in a row... right... guys?!

Shit I'm hopeful. Battered Halo fans.
 

Madness

Member
VG Carl is an actual joke. He was at the Halo4GC running prelim shit and acted like he was way too cool to interact with anyone but pros. Lamest excuse for anyone in a community manager role ever, tries to act like he's one of the "cool kids" instead of doing his job.

"Hey Gamers,I want to introduce myself first, and then I’ll circle back around with a reply. I’m Carl Clendenin, the Community Manager and Manager of Player Retention for Virgin Gaming. It is my job to accept the feedback from the community (Community Manager) and make your experience with Virgin Gaming the best it possibly can be (Player Retention). My job is to listen, and to give you exactly what you want.

It sounds cliche here, but your feedback helps me to help you. I don’t care if it’s about the rules, or the format, or if you spot a cheater – but the best possible way to shape future tournaments it to let your voice be heard. A closed mouth doesn’t get fed, so let me know what you want to see.. even if you have to blow up my Twitter :)

Virgin Gaming is a customer service based industry. We are here to provide a service for you, the gamers. We work for you. We want what you want. With that said feel free to contact me in anywhere, at any time, and about anything.

Carl Clendenin
Community Manager | Manager of Player Retention"

Remember when he introduced himself? These were just a few select quotes. Good way to retain players and build a rapport with fans, blowing them off, shit talking them on twitter.
 

Ramirez

Member
Am I reading this wrong or does this mean that one of the reasons the team purposely decided not consolidate Halo 3 playlists is that there's a concern that it may negatively impact the other two games? Like cannibalize the population of Reach and Halo 4?

Well it would be embarrassing to have Halo 3 jump ahead of 4 in the XBL list.
 
So I played L4D1 two nights ago. It was really fun to play it again with friends.

Just an idea: Mix Team Throwdown settings with Influential or Escort VIP.
 
Oh yeah, this video just reminded me what I wanted to talk about a few days ago.

I was going to type a serious post about the benefits of "clans" and "crews" in a game, but I think there have been more than enough games these days that speak for themselves. Look what Rockstar was able to do with crews and what Ghosts plans on doing for its release. We need some system like this to return to Halo.

Bungie was wrong for taking it out and never expanding upon the ideas. Come to think of it, Bungie made a lot of mistakes with this franchise lol..
 

Fracas

#fuckonami
Well it would be embarrassing to have Halo 3 jump ahead of 4 in the XBL list.

I definitely think that would have happened. H4's struggling to hit 20k nightly now. I wonder if it was a large reason for not updating H3 playlists? I'm assuming not, but it's interesting to think about.
 

CyReN

Member
VG Carl is an actual joke. He was at the Halo4GC running prelim shit and acted like he was way too cool to interact with anyone but pros. Lamest excuse for anyone in a community manager role ever, tries to act like he's one of the "cool kids" instead of doing his job.

How? He was just stressed with the event issues. I personally got kicked out of the event 5+ times and I had a VIP badge and he helped. There was some serious miscommunications between 343/VG/Hall staff the entire weekend.
 
VG Carl stinks. Shouldn't be a community manager if you are incapable of dealing with pressure on just twitter of all things. Also you shouldn't post dumb things.
 

heckfu

Banned
How? He was just stressed with the event issues. I personally got kicked out of the event 5+ times and I had a VIP badge and he helped. There was some serious miscommunications between 343/VG/Hall staff the entire weekend.
"Hey I'm Heckfu, it's nice to meet you"
"Uhhh ok...hey Enable what's UP bro!!!!!"

-end-
 

lybertyboy

Thinks the Evil Empire is just misunderstood.
Am I reading this wrong or does this mean that one of the reasons the team purposely decided not consolidate Halo 3 playlists is that there's a concern that it may negatively impact the other two games? Like cannibalize the population of Reach and Halo 4?

You're reading it wrong. I was saying that if we put resources into updating Halo 3 (A game released 6 years ago) then those resources are not available for updating Halo 4 (which was released less than a year ago.

Also, as I said repeatedly, I am not speaking for the sustain team as I literally work in another building and am not part of their decision making process. To say otherwise suggests an intentional lack of comprehension.
 

Blueblur1

Member
You're reading it wrong. I was saying that if we put resources into updating Halo 3 (A game released 6 years ago) then those resources are not available for updating Halo 4 (which was released less than a year ago.

Also, as I said repeatedly, I am not speaking for the sustain team as I literally work in another building and am not part of their decision making process. To say otherwise suggests an intentional lack of comprehension.

Okay, so I was interpreting it incorrectly. Thanks for the clarification.
 
You're reading it wrong. I was saying that if we put resources into updating Halo 3 (A game released 6 years ago) then those resources are not available for updating Halo 4 (which was released less than a year ago.

Also, as I said repeatedly, I am not speaking for the sustain team as I literally work in another building and am not part of their decision making process. To say otherwise suggests an intentional lack of comprehension.

Personally i'd go without a few updates for a Halo 3 update.
 

Mabef

Banned
You're reading it wrong. I was saying that if we put resources into updating Halo 3 (A game released 6 years ago) then those resources are not available for updating Halo 4 (which was released less than a year ago.

Also, as I said repeatedly, I am not speaking for the sustain team as I literally work in another building and am not part of their decision making process. To say otherwise suggests an intentional lack of comprehension.

Just hand the H3 keys over to me, I'm sure I can handle some tiny little playlist upda--OOh god I've stalled it.
 

feel

Member
You're reading it wrong. I was saying that if we put resources into updating Halo 3 (A game released 6 years ago) then those resources are not available for updating Halo 4 (which was released less than a year ago.

Also, as I said repeatedly, I am not speaking for the sustain team as I literally work in another building and am not part of their decision making process. To say otherwise suggests an intentional lack of comprehension.
Yo can you talk to someone and see if we can get a port of Halo 3 on pc, no need to redo textures and stuff, just dump it there on Steam as is and let people run servers, make sure there's tons of antialiasing, 120fps, high resolutions etc. Thanks.
 
VG Carl is an actual joke. He was at the Halo4GC running prelim shit and acted like he was way too cool to interact with anyone but pros. Lamest excuse for anyone in a community manager role ever, tries to act like he's one of the "cool kids" instead of doing his job.

CARRRRRRLLLLLLL
 

FyreWulff

Member
Well here's hoping Reach gets addressed before it passes the point of no return.

Halo 3 was in more need of population focusing. Reach has legitimate bugs and issues, such as fixable map escapes and so on. It'd be nice to have the game buttoned up before being put into eternal autopilot.

I can't speak for the current sustain team, but we investigated doing a playlist consolidation for Halo 3 during my tenure on the team. There were technical concerns about taking up the task due to a variety of issues. Unfortunately I really can't be more specific than that. Additionally, and I hit on this a couple days ago, it can be a tough sell to allocate the amount of test resources you need to do a proper pass on a playlist deliverable. Even with a mere consolidation you need to do a test pass before pushing it out into the wild.

I would guess the team looked at the time available to get an update out before Halo 3 went free and after balancing that against the technical concerns (which are likely more concerning today than 2 years ago) and decided it was best for the entire Halo player population across all games to keep Halo 3 as is.

I think it could also be understood that people are frustrated that a company as big and with as many resources as Microsoft has to ration manpower. People expect smaller devs to not be able to focus on multiple endeavors, but feel Microsoft should be able to do things differently than other small companies. It's known why they do it. It just feels like there could be something more there, instead of just maintaining parity.
 

IHaveIce

Banned
Thanks for those posts David, but my question would be does it really have to be tested even if you move or just remove existing gametypes out of lists? I mean every gametype which is already in is tested right?


Also kind of weird to hear you work in a completely different building :( I thought you guys all sit close together and cuddle at freetime
 
LOL Tunavi with the HaloGAF shirt. What a troll

How is the shirt quality from the NeoGAF Spreadshirt store? Anyone here know? Want to buy these shirts.

Hype Train
HaloGAF
NeoGAF element
and maybe the Beli343 HaloGAF shirt and the 360 GAF shirt. Not really sure about those 2, I think those are bordering "way to out there" and would just like nerdy as hell, but I like the design.

Anyways, wondering how the quality of the shirts are before I spend money on them. :p

(Off Topic, but I didn't ask in the the Store topic because that one is pretty dead and inactive)
 
I think it could also be understood that people are frustrated that a company as big and with as many resources as Microsoft has to ration manpower. People expect smaller devs to not be able to focus on multiple endeavors, but feel Microsoft should be able to do things differently than other small companies. It's known why they do it. It just feels like there could be something more there, instead of just maintaining parity.
I read the news about NOT updating Halo 3's playlists this morning, after being teased for some time from multiple sources. I'd like to thank David for his boots-on-the-ground insight, but given this on top of many other examples, I can't come to any conclusion other than Microsoft just doesn't care enough about the legacy of this franchise. And that makes it hard for fans to care about its future.
 

FyreWulff

Member
Thanks for those posts David, but my question would be does it really have to be tested even if you move or just remove existing gametypes out of lists? I mean every gametype which is already in is tested right?

They have to test that the deployment actually works as intended. Also, a consolidation would mean you'd be folding gametypes into other playlists or repurposing playlists, which would trigger re-testing existing playlists anyway.

Example: an idea would be repurposing Action Sack as the playlist you get 7 on the 7th in. You'd delete 7 on the 7th, then change Action Sack to accrue EXP on wins, then reset itself at the end of each month. You'd have to run tests to make sure a change like that works.

Or if you wanted to make the entirety of Halo 3 DEXP, you'd have to make sure every playlist gave out DEXP correctly.

I don't think people would go for a Halo 3 update that just does straight deletions. And you couldn't, due to achievements that need to remain earnable, so you'd need to do playlist folding to get notable consolidation.
 

Ominym

Banned
With the impending return of Halo 3, I just realized I never used/gave out the 14 day trial of Gold that came with Halo 4. If anyone here needs it so they can be a part of the festivities come the 16th? You're welcome to it.
 
With the impending return of Halo 3, I just realized I never used/gave out the 14 day trial of Gold that came with Halo 4. If anyone here needs it so they can be a part of the festivities come the 16th? You're welcome to it.
I'll take it off your hands if no one else wants it. My XBL Gold ran out a while back but I was thinking of hopping back on Halo 3 for a bit.
 
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