It's probably CBOAT stuff, the source of their info was found to be another gaffer.
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Halo |OT19| 793 Posts, And None Worth Reading
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User 73706
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I really want Devo to rip apart my UI demo. Y'know, for science.
Also, in unrelated news
considering it's actual halo
Go watch! Couple of funny things for Halo vets tucked away in their commentary.
Also, off the top of my head, fastest missions for all the first-person Halo titles are:
CE: Keyes, using the deployable cover noclip exploit
Halo 2: Uprising, for sure, possible in under 2 minutes
Halo 3: Floodgate? Not any real exploits at play, it's just a short mission, ~5 mins
ODST: Uplift Preserve
Reach: Nightfall, ~4:30 thanks to running past fights and clipping through the gate
4: Shutdown (rip)
Someday we all will find that special someone. In the mean time: tv-series.
Now I've made myself even more depressed.
Syphon Filter
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To the people making mock ups,stop using that ugly style guide from Halo 4 or spartan ops.
Ah yeah I was getting confused. "it's not E3 why is GAF dying?"
I really want Devo to rip apart my UI demo. Y'know, for science.
Also, in unrelated news, the guys over at Achievement Hunter have a gaiden series called "Go!" where the name of the game is to complete a random objective every week selected by Geoff (the voice of Grif), and this week's happened to be "complete a level in any Halo game other than Wars or Spartan Assault [or Reach's Lone Wolf]." Cutscene missions don't count.considering it's actual halo
Go watch! Couple of funny things for Halo vets tucked away in their commentary.
Also, off the top of my head, fastest missions for all the first-person Halo titles are:
CE: Keyes, using the deployable cover noclip exploit
Halo 2: Uprising, for sure, possible in under 2 minutes
Halo 3: Floodgate? Not any real exploits at play, it's just a short mission, ~5 mins
ODST: Uplift Preserve
Reach: Nightfall, ~4:30 thanks to running past fights and clipping through the gate
4: Shutdown (rip)
What's the Keyes exploit exactly?
Yes, repeatedly. Haven't gotten any 408s actually though.
Just got a 504 posting this.
You would make a good king in that case. Thanks for the idea. I'll implement it into my mockup.
Just fyi, guys, my mockup is going to be comprised of about 6 or so different screens, with a bit of text beneath each on explaining the features, not that they need much explaining. More of an analysis.
User 73706
Banned
I think the reason GAF's dying on and off is because of the ass ice storm hitting the southeast US. For some reason FloridaGAF makes up roughly 90% of our population, and everyone logging in at once = rip gaf bandwidth.
squidhands
Member
Either way would be fine with me, but the information should be readily available and pertinent to the upcoming match so I know what I'm in for besides everyone's favorite stance and most used weapon.
Hopefully most of them will be arrested for or the victims of surreal crimes and free up servers.
As I said, do you really need to reinvent the wheel?
Dunno, if I had to do this, and keep the baseball card from Halo 4, maybe I would keep the idea being the UI of Halo 3 and do something like this :
But first, I would think about the main informations I would like to see about a player. For me, it would be the number of games he has played, the number of matchmaking game he has won and the K/D ratio, so I could quickly know if he is a good player.
Without taking too much risks, I could merge Halo 3/Reach and Halo 4, using the stance on the card to quickly know the armor of the player so I could recognize him in the game, and let the option to the player to get more informations.
And I wouldn't waste too much time on the visual design
In fact, the Active Roster for Reach and baseball card from Halo 4 aren't too much differents. It give you a quick acces to what you need to know about the player.
squidhands
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Nicely done, the ranks are a great touch.
K/D is a stat you have to be really careful about. In a deathmatch-only game? Sure, go nuts and display it all over the place - you're showing the primary quantifiable measure of success in that case. Halo isn't just deathmatch and kills are not the primary success metric for most gametypes. By surfacing that stat at the top level globally you run the risk of encouraging people to pad kill stats in objective games to look like a hardass in the pre-game lobby and ruining matches that aren't kill-based for people that actually want to play the objective. Win/Loss, on the other hand, is a stat that is dramatically more useful to players and doesn't carry that same danger. A team win/loss-based ranking system works well while individual K/D based ranks (vanilla Arena) fail for that same reason - people are jerks and will continue to be that way with even the slightest bit of encouragement.
I don't know how this would really work out given the living nature of the playlist roster - designing a very custom, compact UI for that kind of thing seems like a real nightmare with a ridiculous number of use cases. I guess if you restrict the information to the specific playlist you're it gets easier, but there aren't really many useful stats that apply to a lot of gametypes - what are the relevant stats you surface for an Oddball playlist? What's the "default" view? I'm a huge proponent of the W/L stat being surfaced really prominently because it's always useful and it's applicable to every single gametype. It encapsulates every single playstyle, as well, while something like K/D doesn't give an accurate representation of skill for many of the roles a player can have in a match.
Enter The 36 Chambers
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I dont understand how anyone could see that scene as sexual.
squidhands
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That's why I was advocating per-playlists stats, but it may be too much information to process quickly in a lobby
What's your k/d?
Totally agree. But...
K/D is a metric you will found in every game mode in a Halo game. Even in a objective gametype, you have to kill you opponents, so it can give a look on the player action. Maybe he has won a lot of games, more than the half he has played, but maybe he has a K/D ratio under 1. You could guess he is more a objective player than a support.
Maybe it's false, maybe he is a bad player in slayer mode and just has the chance to be with good players, then he won a lot of games.
Here, you have the number of games he has played and how many he has won. Even if people a jerks, it's easier to see if he has won more than the half of games he has played, and you can keep an indication about his K/D ratio.
On the other hand, it let you display three of the main informations (once again, for me).
And don' forget hat k/d ratio doesn't tell you how cool or funny a person is - and how their incompetence is sometimes an amusing spirit lifter for their team, and that that person might also be super obedient and actually "GTFO and stay in the base and don't move you stupid bald nub" when he is told.
Or he might go full Leroy Jenkins.
You can't tell.
Yoga pants and TV commercials can set people off. Naked holograms don't meet an exceptional criteria.
It's a nice UI but I would change it slightly to make it more accessible to others. Like having consistent coloring for the player cards and a background they contrast with them. Makes it easier to read instead a clash of colors.And I wouldn't waste too much time on the visual design
In fact, the Active Roster for Reach and baseball card from Halo 4 aren't too much differents. It give you a quick acces to what you need to know about the player.
Slight color blindness bias, stupid genes. I really like it though
User 73706
Banned
I'll do my part.
This is why I'm for giving people the ability to place stats of their choice on baseball cards, use cloud-power buzzwords if you have to. I'd rather let people know I shamelessly hoard Grenade Launchers in all of my games than let them know I have a KD of 0.002.
Gah! You got iOS7 in my Halo!
Keep the player record available (like Reach's setup) for those that like to read them, but only feature relevant stats for a particular gametype. K/D/A in Team Slayer, Flags stolen/capped/assisted in CTF, etc.
I also like Wahrer's idea of a "title card" of sorts. CoD does this already and aside from the really dumb ones (420blaze hurr hurr) they're pretty neat.
I also like Wahrer's idea of a "title card" of sorts. CoD does this already and aside from the really dumb ones (420blaze hurr hurr) they're pretty neat.
squidhands
Member
This is a weird statement to make, especially in this thread.
User 73706
Banned
If there's some kind of interim "social lobby" where you don't actually need to see gametype information or you're waiting for people, it'd be neat to replace the map / gametype settings with a baseball card. That being said, when it comes to actual lobbies where information needs to be broadcasted, I don't think it's the greatest idea in the world with regards to real estate.
If baseball cards make a return, 343 better make sure the next Recon / Haunted armor is holographic cards. Make a TCG out of it! That'll reel in babbies.
Why milk for free when you can charge the cow a crisp $200 to sleep on your hotel floor for three hours? Also, portfolios definitely never stopped being a thing. It pays to have some personal work so that you actually have reference to pimp when people start asking you what you've accomplished. Revisions to existing properties that aren't getting you sued are a great way to get some extra work in.
No, not really. People should stop giving 343 free material and labor.
So you're saying I shouldn't publish the feature set article.
nillapuddin
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First of all, thanks for the positive feedback and the criticisms everyone, megaquote incoming..
Im gunna start googling random Halo menu screens and recreate them in my idea, Ill take requests even, this is fun
@2nd part: that what is so frustrating, I wanted to just do the Lobby Screen, but without showing the layers and motion of the interface, it doesnt make sense.
I completely agree with your crit on the blue one, I was lulled into the same four buttons set up as he was, mostly by default, but I feel I avoided the mass-missinformation that it has
I think that might be a but too pretty, Id be interested in how you actually propose to incorporate that into a full screen though, will you do more?
on another note:
edit:
whoa.
no fun allowed?
I really wish that map blueprints were more accessible, although obviously any experienced player can map the whole thing in his/her mind on one play, its still nice to see them. Im sure future Waypoint can provide that.
appreciated gents, yeah I booted up 4 and Reach and tried to do some basic functions, then tried to replicate them
Yeah I need to develop a method of showing the button prompts in an intuitive manner
Im gunna start googling random Halo menu screens and recreate them in my idea, Ill take requests even, this is fun
@1st part: I didnt want to fill the entire screen with stuff, that one mockup that is all blue that Devo critisized just looks too busy, but that was my first idea. Or that right side column could just be dedicated to all of it, but I wanted to avoid sub-menus
@2nd part: that what is so frustrating, I wanted to just do the Lobby Screen, but without showing the layers and motion of the interface, it doesnt make sense.
Goodbye social life, gotta make the whole game now
Yeah I dont like having to use the gigantic buttons, but its the only way to work with this design language, and keep it consistent. I like your example of Halo 2, there is ALOT going on in that screen, Im gunna see how it would work in my Halo now
Halo 2 should be a template not Reach, Reach UI is bad news.
While I'm not a fan of that huge space taken up with "waiting for blah blah to start" you have an image of the map, map details and the full list of people in the lobby. If 2 more joined they'd still fit on screen.
I completely agree with your crit on the blue one, I was lulled into the same four buttons set up as he was, mostly by default, but I feel I avoided the mass-missinformation that it has
I think that might be a but too pretty, Id be interested in how you actually propose to incorporate that into a full screen though, will you do more?
on another note:
Your opener being (everyones designs suck) and follows ups like, "As I said, do you really need to reinvent the wheel?" is coming off really douchey, might wanna re-read before you post to make sure your english/context is appropriate
edit:
whoa.
no fun allowed?
Blurred background for UI in Halo works well since Halo 3 and ODST I guess, that was a surprise when I saw years ago blurred background was the new trend for designers, especialy from Apple.
Did I already say David Candland was a master and a visionary in term of UI ?
Do you think the ODST player card could work with more than four players? I thought about it but it wouldn't be nice to scroll down when you have 16 or more players.
User 73706
Banned
Blurred background for UI in Halo works well since Halo 3 and ODST I guess, that was a surprise when I saw years ago blurred background was the new trend for designers, especialy from Apple.
Did I already say David Candland was a master and a visionary in term of UI ?
In case my demos didn't make it obvious, I don't think iOS7 because of the gaussian wallpaper. It's the actual layout and formatting. Your demo probably looks the most "polished" out of these past few examples just because of the emphasis on detail with regards to the UI's framework itself, rather than raw information. The subtle gradients, font, textures, and warmer takes on colder colors are what immediately come across as Apple-esque to me. By contrast, take a demonstration like the one Karl whipped up - while it may not seem as immediately refined or polished as yours, that's fine because these are conceptual. I think Karl probably hit the perfect mix of functionality and making the UI resemble traditional Halo, and with a complete production team
outsourced to Certain Affinity
You do realize people can legally have creative commons licenses for their own artistic assets, right? I don't think anyone that's posted a UI demonstration here would feel ripped off if 343 ended up with a UI similar in framework to their own. I mean hell, if you want to be completely idealistic, Frankie could quote one of his favorites and say "fascinating." for all we know.
I could see it working in Campaign and Firefight menus, for sure.
Man_Flannel
Member
I can't believe how horrible some of these UI's are.
squidhands
Member
This isn't Cartographers, tho
I should have clarified, I was talking about the part with the skulls & cie, not the player card.
I guess Otto had fun with the card because he knew there would not be more than 4 players in a lobby in ODST.
@nillapuddin: As you should have guessed, english is not my primary language, and sorry but I did not understand your side note.
The height for the player card I made is too damn high, even for the little one ala Halo 3, it could not fit well on a screen right now, it would only display 12 players on the list.
Gabotron ES
Member
Isn't anything halo related automatically claimable under the content usage rules:
Content usage rules said:
What happened to sub zero?
Gabotron ES
Member
He'll be back.
FUNKNOWN iXi
Member
On the discussion of giving ideas away for free, once we find out that 343
and brought back the
, you best believe I'll be demanding royalties.
Hopefully we'll get custom controls this time around too.
named this game Combat Evolved 2
CE Pistol
Excellent idea. I thought this same thing for the lobby screen UI; it would be pretty slick if we could choose what goes where, similar to what some games allow with HUD customization (ie: The Conduit).
Hopefully we'll get custom controls this time around too.
nillapuddin
Member
Its okay about the language, nobody is gunna burn you at the stake, but when discussing peoples personal opinions, and they might not have as much technical skill to visualize them (as say, you), its best to avoid phrases like, "it sucks"
and for the player card height, Im with you, in my own design I could only show 13.5 at a time without scrolling, its a tricky balance
Devolution
Member
If anyone else wants a UI/UX critique I'll do it. To be honest you guys should be showing a grid and wireframe first. Visuals should be your last worry.
Speaking of, the recent Action Sack update has been very successful so far and the Cartographers did a really great job. I can say this because I didn't help with the update at all haha.
squidhands
Member
Will you accept drawings on a cocktail napkin?
Devolution
Member
I usually do templates in pencil on paper first so =p
nillapuddin
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Devolution
Member
It's just a waste of time. If your wireframe and template aren't up to snuff you have to keep redoing the visuals. Best to just get the proper grid/sizing off the bat.
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