Now I just need there to always be a competent group to play with.
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Halo |OT2| Hyper-Athletic Speed And Mass And Weight and Power
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Now I just need there to always be a competent group to play with.
Also, some gametype info should be available when pulling up the scoreboard as well. At the very least display the current round or amount of kills needed to win like Halo 3 did.
Devolution
Member
Infection is part of the community list, the community stuff can get splintered off if necessary but it really should be under an umbrella that is "community."
Zeouterlimits
Member
Doesn't necessarily mean the population is smaller, perhaps in the U.S., but I find that super doubtful.
Could it have been a change since 343I took over?
Apologies, missed that.
Don't think it's a good enough solution. I can't reasonably force people looking for Zombies getting a Grifball match etc, it's the same shit we complain about all the time.
You could have individual Community ones, but then we're almost back up to a silly amount of playlists.
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Devolution
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I look at Reach and I just not only see terrible playlist management but honestly? Honestly? The UI looks like something someone would do if they weren't really interested in multiplayer and just wanted the bare minimum info. How is this acceptable?
HiredN00bs
Member
My guess would be a growing international userbase.
Needs to be in the suggested "mini-game" or "community" list, not its own thing.
Again just get all of DathHumans games, Infection and GriffBall all into a single playlist and there you go you have a fun playlist instead of 2 separate playlists that do not really need to be their own thing.
*faints*
Zeouterlimits
Member
Eh, That's a broad stroke.
The Active Roster (a large part of said UI) is a fantastic addition.
But yes, I agree that the removal of info was a poor decision. I guess they felt that people who care enough will go the website? Either way, it was the wrong choice to make.
In the past month (when Reach went from 8th to 5th)? I'd consider that highly doubtful.
Barrow Roll
Member
It's one of the prettiest UIs I've seen and it's pretty quick and smooth, but I agree that it's lacking when it comes to conveying basic info. And the generic Forge World thumbnail for custom maps is a huge oversight. We can't be expected to remember the names of every single Forge map, especially since most of them aren't representative of the map at all (Think Twice? What the hell is that?). Not being able to customize that thumbnail pretty much makes voting for those maps a crap shoot if you can't remember every single name.
StalkerUKCG
Banned
I wouldnt go that far but the UI certainly could have a bit more to it, Ill take content over appearance any day but even with that said you could still pack it full of content and make it look nice.
If they do Snipers, they have to do three things: no infinite ammo (promotes camping), no radar, and no secondary unless it is a Beam Rifle or some new Forerunner Sniper type weapon.
Also, yeah, the Halo 2 UI for matchmaking took a serious drop in 3 and Reach. No idea why they opted that route.
Active Roster is still great, sure, but the part I don't like is how its all forbidden once you're in a match searching screen. That is at least one thing the H2 Friends List allowed consistently.
All of my approval.
K
kittens
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I'd be okay with Living Dead having its own list if it was hidden behind a "Community" grouping like Action Sack, MLG, and Griffball currently are.
Making it a weekend-only playlist is my favorite option, though. That way, the kids can have their Killionaire farming gametype without making the Real Halo playlists anemic.
Making it a weekend-only playlist is my favorite option, though. That way, the kids can have their Killionaire farming gametype without making the Real Halo playlists anemic.
Barrow Roll
Member
This makes sense, since it's not exactly competitive. Unless you're using the loosest definition of the word.
Devolution
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It doesn't even matter if you go to the website or not, even in customs you're unaware of certain basic settings unless specifically told. What's there instead? A pretty picture? A forge world default picture so you don't even know what map you're playing? Active roster is fine but it doesn't take away from a UI that is half-assed in terms of information provided to the player. User Experience in Reach is fucking awful, I'm not about to sugar coat it. The information architecture is a failure. No one knows what they're playing, what they're starting with (unless you throw DMR up there in the gametype but it's still varies on playlist), or what the map looks like if it's Forge World. It just pisses me right off because like I said before it feels like it was designed by someone who doesn't give a shit about multiplayer, and if they do? Then they are really offbase with what people need and want to know before throwing themselves into a playlist or game.
I could design a beautiful website but if it doesn't tell people what they need to know it's fucking pointless.
I have migrated.
Pretty much what I'd do. Although maybe just throw Grifball and Infection into the Action Sack rotation, then make a separate mini-game playlist for things like Indiana Jones/Jumprope/Yum Yum, etc.
Hypertrooper
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That sounds stupid but I think 343i should beta test their play lists for Halo 4. What I mean with "beta test their playlists" is: Releasing a Multiplayer demo a month before release with their planned "release playlist selection". Collect community impressions, analyse them etc.
Like I said it sounds stupid, so yeah scrap that.
Like I said it sounds stupid, so yeah scrap that.
Or an anti-camper function that kills players who stand in the same area for too long.
Worked pretty well to get people moving in Rainbow 6 PC.
/queue argument that camping is a legitimate strategy.
Devolution
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I think when they come out with playlists they need to come out swinging. Define what a playlist really means. Make titles that actually speak to what people are playing. None of this half-assed "Slayer", then we have how many fucking versions of said "slayer"? Squad? Team? Super? Premium? What does this shit even mean? The average player isn't going to get it. Stop being cute and start telling people what they need to know.
Hypertrooper
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Yeah. I criticize that already:
Otherwise with 4, they should not try to please everyone. It's okay for Reach because Bungie started it and it's a train wreck for months.
I'm hoping the depiction of the start button next to the game type in the Halo 4 screens implies you can get game type details from there while in game. It's long over due.
And yeah, Devo, there's no reason not to have the game rules/settings in the lobby.
I think they should just make TU universal except for Invasion and whatever specialty game types can't use it. There's no reason not to.
The TU should just be made global at this point. The only difference now is bloom ratios. Unless 343 thinks Vanilla is actually still available in a meaningful way.
Global TU, delete Anniversary FFA and Anniversary BTB, throw Anniversary requirement on BTB, delete Super Slayer, bring back Squad, delete Squad DLC, delete TU ZB Slayer put ZB gametypes in other lists as a third voting option.
They should actually make an attempt to appeal to the core Halo community with their playlists. I always felt that Bungie either a) did whatever the hell they wanted and b) avoided updating playlists and settings too much so the average idiot gamer wouldn't be confused. There are some exceptions of course but there were many occasions where they simply didn't listen to community feedback.
I had forgotten all about that. I hope that's what that means, too.
I had forgotten all about that. I hope that's what that means, too.
It's like the 1th time he's brought it up on stream lol.
I can only see Walshy being a tester or someone like "FourZeroTwo" of the Halo series.
Never gonna happen. Halo 3 still full price. The suits at MS obviously doesn't give a shit about their customers.
Devolution
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Funny thing is people got confused anyway. Since 2 they've been squandering away information regarding what people are playing. Maybe I'm just pissy this week but you design around information you know you need to display, you don't come up with a design then ax whatever the fuck isn't convenient in your "sleek UI." That's the very definition of cheating in design.
Can't do that, sadly.
Also is there a reason this was done away with:
Imagine how useful this would be in regular mm too?
The more I look at Halo 2 I realize how many steps back the multiplayer took.
That would be good, but actually tell us what the Starting & Secondary weapons are, not just "Map Default".
Garrett 2U
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"Please redeem the included Anniversary Map Pack code that came with your copy of Halo: Anniversary for use in the full Halo: Reach, available via Games on Demand and your local retailers. The demo period for these playlists has ended. You can still enjoy Anniversary Classic"
Not my problem that 343 didn't rig up Anniversary to allow Noble and Defiant to load, nor use Reach disc maps as optional selections in those playlists.
Map default only mattered in Halo 1 and 2. AFAIK Halo 3's and Reach's were both ARs.
There would be an HBO meltdown if TU went global.
That reminds of something I'm curious about. I wonder how Reach's DLC sales stack up compared to Halo 3. The seemingly smaller population numbers give me the impression that Reach DLC might not be selling as well.
Devolution
Member
I just found a pic of a Halo 2 pregame lobby but yes the weapons should be known. This is what we get in Reach:
Thanks for the wealth of info!
HBO is filled with BKs. Let them scream.
Garrett 2U
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It's not like TU is any different than vanilla at this point with bleedthrough gone.
You wouldn't know, you wouldn't know...
They say 85% bloom breaks the sandbox and makes automatic rifles too weak and precision rifles too powerful.
Garrett 2U
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You forget they nerfed Armor Lock.
All the kids that told us to "adapt" would be forced to adapt and would complain.
So you're forcing them into Damnation, Prisoner, Beaver Creek, and Hang 'em High? No. That's alienating the consumer too much. I've thought it over many times, but the lowest you can get the Anniversary playlists to is 3 lists. BTB, Firefight, and 4v4. You could throw in another for FFA, but it isn't entirely necessary.
Plus, you're just pulling a EA/Bioware and saying buy more shit to get the best experience.
You do realize that the Reach side of Anniversary comes up as "Halo: Reach Anniversary Multiplayer Demo" when launched from the dashboard, right?
They can either get everyone over to mainline Reach because every person with Anniversary has a map pack code to redeem to use in it, or they can make Anniversary BTB TU and Big Team Battle vanilla if they actually believe "Vanilla Reach will remain available". Halo 2 and 3 couldn't sustain two redundant BTBs for very long, why would Reach suddenly be able to?
I know they don't WANT to, but I see nothing that actually requires them to keep those playlists in. So either consolidate, or make use of the fact that we're stuck with two BTBs and actually act like we have a choice if they're going to hold the line on their "default Reach will remain default" promise.
They got a map pack code included with Anniversary. They can still play customs on any map. Maybe 343 should have let Anniversary load Defiant or Noble so Anniversary disc players actually had a reason to buy more DLC, or you know, released a Reach Mythic with all the maps. If they had made it so Anniversary playlists could load disc/DLC optionally, they could have just thrown an Anni requirement on the normal BTB and then you wouldn't have the silly split population.
Playlist cap and the fact that 343 introduced an achievement related to Armor Lock in the DLC they made.
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