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[wwm0nkey]

Almost 100% convinced the next Edge will have more new info.

Hope we get to see the Campaign soon. <3

Even though I was expecting to wait till E3 for Campaign info it looks like we will be getting info much sooner.

 

[Slightly Live]

Even though I was expecting to wait till E3 for Campaign info it looks like we will be getting info much sooner.

I'm expecting E3 to feature either Campaign + Multiplayer or Campaign + Firefight. With smaller reveals dotted around and afterwards leading up to launch.

I'm hoping we get a new game mode.

Camapign
Multiplayer
Firefight
Forge
Theatre
Sandwich Party

It was unfortunate that Reach didn't bring anything new to the table and hopefully Halo 4 doesn't make it a trend.

 

[zap]

So playing BTB right now, BTB Snipers just came up. Wtf is this trash? I thought that had been removed long ago! It feels like some of the playlist changes made by Jeremiah were reset :/

 

[blamite]

Those Anatomy of Halo pieces on Waypoint are pretty cool. It's cool that 343's doing these as basically a quick summary of stuff from a bunch of different sources. And multiplayer map locations are canon, too!

 

[wwm0nkey]

I'm expecting E3 to feature either Campaign + Multiplayer or Campaign + Firefight. With smaller reveals dotted around and afterwards leading up to launch.

I'm hoping we get a new game mode.

Camapign
Multiplayer
Firefight
Forge
Theatre
Sandwich Party

It was unfortunate that Reach didn't bring anything new to the table and hopefully Halo 4 doesn't make it a trend.

Agreed.

Also I think we will see Forge at SDCC again.

(I really want to see what Forge is like in Halo 4)

 

[Ramirez]

It was unfortunate that Reach didn't bring anything new to the table and hopefully Halo 4 doesn't make it a trend.

UMMMMMM, HELLO? Stockpile/Headhunter/Speedflag/Flag Slayer, how can Halo 4 possibly hope to top such a smorgasbord of awesome new gametypes?

 

[Hypertrooper]

Yep. The magazines will have Halo 4 information. When does the GameInformer cover story get unveiled?

 

[bobs...onGaf]

I was lagging a bit in Reach, so I tried MW3. Still lag. I pop in Halo 3. No lag whatsoever. Had 3 pretty good games. Who's up for some of that tomorrow?

Im up for some Halo 3, wont be on till pretty late though!

 

[Deputy Moonman]

UMMMMMM, HELLO? Stockpile/Headhunter/Speedflag/Flag Slayer, how can Halo 4 possibly hope to top such a smorgasbord of awesome new gametypes?

Don't forget how awesome Invasion turned out! Fingers crossed that Halo4 brings that back and many more new and mind blowing additions to consume what is probably already down to limited resources.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Im up for some Halo 3, wont be on till pretty late though!

Netcode lately has been surprisingly stable for me.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Netcode lately has been surprisingly stable for me.

You want to play some now?

EDIT: Gotta head off, let me know if your on H3/ Reach later. I probably wont jump on till fairly late our time.

 

[The Henery]

Played a game of Slayer on Prisoner. The other team sucked. We pulled out to a really fast lead, and I had a Running Riot about 2 minutes in. (Six kills with my first four rockets. Like I said, they were really, really bad.)

My teammate starts shooting at me, dropping grenades at my feet. Guess he doesn't want me to get a Perfection, or something.

So he manages to get me killed a couple of times (Grenades just as someone from the other team comes around the corner, etc), and the second time, he's shooting me along with the other team. I die, and he immediately comes over to hump.

And gets his ass assassinated.

Gotta love them douchebags!

http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/FileDetails.aspx?fid=27507804

(I'm the blue guy on the right who dies first.)

It is a rather strange phenomenon in which teammates start betraying you for doing too well for the team. I had it yesterday in snipes. On my way to a be the bullet (I was red on Hemorrhage) and two of my teammates put me one shot continually until I died. They were garbage of course.

I can't say shit I leave games now I frankly don't want to play like anything on Prisoner or 1 flag anniversary on High Noon. Fuck it.

Yea, Elite Slayer and Rocket Hog Race are practically insta quits for me these days. I just won't put up with it anymore, life's too short. Why is Elite Slayer still polluting multiple playlists 18 months into the games lifespan? See, if they made TU global they'd free up playlist space for things such as ES, then I'd never have to play it again. Alas, "the game before we patched and fixed it will always be there, like dead weight hanging from the playlist managers neck".

 

[StalkerUKCG]

New info has me hyped. Excited for a reveal. im expecting the BR was changed to preserve a unique appearance and silhouette between the BR and DMR which would imply the DMR will be a lot more visually similar to previous the BR/DMR. Raised circular scope, Mounting rail closer to the body of the weapon as opposed to the raised FAMAS style mounting rail of the H4 BR, Front sight. ect. All black.

 

[Slightly Live]

Without the fuller picture, it's hard to understand why both the DMR and BR are in the game. I assumed that they both filled the same role in slightly different ways.

So I take we're gonna have a dozen grenades types too, maybe a couple types of Warthogs, Banshees and whatnot. Wouldn't mind the ODST Banshee, but they can keep the Reach one.

Just imagine the amount of Pistols too. Maybe a half dozen or more.

Spoiler

=P

 

[Gabotron ES]

Podcast was glorious!

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Just imagine the amount of Pistols too. Maybe a half dozen or more.

Spoiler

=P

Purely from a gun porn point of view, I really want to see the ODST SMG and pistol return. For SP at least.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Podcast was glorious!

Just subscribed on Itunes, listening now. I should do more of this podcast lark

Purely from a gun porn point of view, I really want to see the ODST SMG and pistol return. For SP at least.

I echo this, id love a Campaign that explores the halo sandbox more than the multiplayer does. Just throw a million weapons at me, Unless obviously the engine has a hardcoded tag limit. I seem to remember it did back during halo 2 but that might be cause we didnt have access to source

 

[Steelyuhas]

Good podcadt.

Wonder if DMR will be nb, or both, or bloom.

Already confirmed that bloom in Reach's fashion will not be a part of Halo 4 no?

I haven't listened, but it's a lot easier to land a single shot on a rapidly moving opponent (say, though a man cannon) than it would be with a burst-fire weapon because you'd have to track the player's movement path to land all three shots. Even with no spread.

Some would argue (me) that a single shot weapon is a more difficult and rewarding weapon because you cannot sweep in any fashion, just one shot that you have to hit or miss on. A single shot weapon should in theory, be more consistent than a burst fire weapon.



Just sad to see people actually upset about no bubble shield. Thing was exhibit 1A of a terrible gameplay mechanic. Nothing was good about that thing.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Already confirmed that bloom in Reach's fashion will not be a part of Halo 4 no?



Some would argue (me) that a single shot weapon is a more difficult and rewarding weapon because you cannot sweep in any fashion, just one shot that you have to hit or miss on. A single shot weapon should in theory, be more consistent than a burst fire weapon.



Just sad to see people actually upset about no bubble shield. Thing was an exhibit of a terrible gameplay mechanic. Nothing was good about that thing.

I have a 60 second TV spot that disproves this

 

[Slightly Live]

I thought the Bubble Shield, in limited use in Halo 3 BTB objective, was rather fun.

Limited use. BTB. Mayhem. Fun.

Chaining Bubbles on Boardwalk on Reach and walking the Flag out of harm's way through the entire level was anti-fun.

Can't understand why they can't just go back to the fun part again.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

I thought the Bubble Shield, in limited use in Halo 3 BTB objective, was rather fun.

Limited use. BTB. Mayhem. Fun.

Chaining Bubbles on Boardwalk on Reach and walking the Flag out of harm's way through the entire level was anti-fun.

Can't understand why they can't just go back to the fun part again.

It works well as a pick up item (like most stuff)

 

[Striker]

It was unfortunate that Reach didn't bring anything new to the table and hopefully Halo 4 doesn't make it a trend.

In terms of addition by weapons, I'm pretty sure the Plasma Launcher and Grenade Launcher were real solid additions. These are two weapons I hope we see return in H4 in some manner. The Laser? That can go away with the god-awful Bubble Shield. That is thrilling news to see that one less obstructive piece of equipment won't be littering itself in H4's combat.

UMMMMMM, HELLO? Stockpile/Headhunter/Speedflag/Flag Slayer, how can Halo 4 possibly hope to top such a smorgasbord of awesome new gametypes?

We have not had new, good gametypes in quite a while. I'm curious what 343 has boiling up. Instant Arm Assault, Heavies, Land Grab, Stockpile, and those Community variants from TO can hit the curb. Why they ever got implemented is beyond me. Headhunter is simply a FFA gametype and should have been from the start.

 

[Slightly Live]

It works well as a pick up item (like most stuff)

This is one of the fundamental things Reach got wrong. Players don't need to be given super power items right off the bat in every game and have unlimited use of them.

It's not needed. Halo went three games without it and didn't need it.

Player investment and loadouts do not need it. It distorts the sandbox and the flow, feel and pace of the game. Adding such things to PI feels like a cheap attempt to copy COD without any understanding or appreciation of how it changes Halo for the worst.

I am worried that Halo 4 is going to take this further. Something like Sprint is fine. Running isn't a super power. Turning invisible, flying and invincibility are super powers.

When everybody is Special, nobody is.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

This one of the fundamental things Reach got wrong. Players don't need to be given super power items right off the bat in every game and have unlimited use of them.

It's not needed. Halo went three games without it and didn't need it.

Player investment and loadouts do not need it. It distorts the sandbox and the flow, feel and pace of the game. Adding such things to PI feels like a cheap attempt to copy COD without any understanding or appreciation of how it changes Halo for the worst.

I am worried that Halo 4 is going to take this further. Something like Sprint is fine. Running isn't a super power. Turning invisible, flying and invincibility are super powers.

When everybody is Special, nobody is.

Yup,

 

[The Librarian]

I thought the Bubble Shield, in limited use in Halo 3 BTB objective, was rather fun.

Limited use. BTB. Mayhem. Fun.

Chaining Bubbles on Boardwalk on Reach and walking the Flag out of harm's way through the entire level was anti-fun.

Can't understand why they can't just go back to the fun part again.

I don't understand why sprint is in but not the Bubble Shield.

 

[Tetrasides]

Could the 1-50 ranking system be back according to the latest sparkast?

He said "It was really fun for me because people didn't know what they were doing...... everyone at our studio is ranked 50, everyones pro level here."

 

[Hypertrooper]

When everybody is Special, nobody is.

If you were talking about AIs, you would be right. But this statement doesn't work on Reach because you are playing against humans and every human plays the game different, so everyone is special.

Spoiler

lol. I know what you meant. I'm just joking

 

[Hydranockz]

Could the 1-50 ranking system be back according to the latest sparkast?

He said "It was really fun for me because people didn't know what they were doing...... everyone at our studio is ranked 50, everyones pro level here."

I think that was merely their way of saying that they are the best players at their game right now. I wouldn't look too much into it.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

I think that was merely their way of saying that they are the best players at their game right now. I wouldn't look too much into it.

Agreed, although I have to say im glad it was mentioned instead of the Reach arena system.

This is one of the fundamental things Reach got wrong. Players don't need to be given super power items right off the bat in every game and have unlimited use of them.

It's not needed. Halo went three games without it and didn't need it.

Player investment and loadouts do not need it. It distorts the sandbox and the flow, feel and pace of the game. Adding such things to PI feels like a cheap attempt to copy COD without any understanding or appreciation of how it changes Halo for the worst.

I am worried that Halo 4 is going to take this further. Something like Sprint is fine. Running isn't a super power. Turning invisible, flying and invincibility are super powers.

When everybody is Special, nobody is.

I could live with equipment because they were one off's, had to be fought for, appeared maybe 3 times a match and where fairly neutral. AA's being so spammable all match long is probably why I dislike them so much.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Agreed, although I have to say im glad it was mentioned instead of the Reach arena system.

You would be glad wouldn't you? 'Mr. I bought my 50'.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

You would be glad wouldn't you? 'Mr. I bought my 50'.

I didn't buy it, I stole it from your mom.

Spoiler

She is pretty decent at Halo!

No but really, I don't even care about the ranking system, Halo Reach with a good ranking system would still have been ignored (by me personally) because of the gameplay. I guess I care more about the gameplay being good, all the ancillary features like stats tracking, forge, theatre, ranking system etc is all just icing on the cake. If the gameplay is good I can live without, but if the gameplay is bad they wont get used much anyway.

If im honest, when Reach first came out I may have put more effort in if the ranking system was better, but with Halo 4 I just want good gameplay.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

I didn't buy it, I stole it from your mom.

Spoiler

She is pretty decent at Halo!

No but really, I don't even care about the ranking system, Halo Reach with a good ranking system would still have been ignored (by me personally) because of the gameplay. I guess I care more about the gameplay being good, all the ancillary features like stats tracking, forge, theatre, ranking system etc is all just icing on the cake. If the gameplay is good I can live without, but if the gameplay is bad they wont get used much anyway.

Funny and true story, I taught my mom to play saints row 2, it was pretty awesome, she was driving around the city hitting every wall and civilian possible, what made it more incredible was she was doing it whilst listening to gangsta bitch on one of the radio station in the game.

She hasn't played any game since.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Funny and true story, I taught my mom to play saints row 2, it was pretty awesome, she was driving around the city hitting every wall and civilian possible, what made it more incredible was she was doing it whilst listening to gangsta bitch on onne of the radio station in the game.

She hasn't played any game since.

Haha, if a relative walks into my room while im playing I sometimes just hand them the controller, just for the hilarity. I reckon if you could get your mom to play Halo, we could cut the dead weight that is Xand and co. Then your mom could teach your sister to play, then I could just play with your mom and your sister, we would be a pretty unbeatable team. (Just like we were last night.)

 

[Hydranockz]

Funny and true story, I taught my mom to play saints row 2, it was pretty awesome, she was driving around the city hitting every wall and civilian possible, what made it more incredible was she was doing it whilst listening to gangsta bitch on one of the radio station in the game.

She hasn't played any game since.

My dad tried playing Halo 2. Keep in mind he's thirty years my senior. Kept looking to the floor or the sky and nading himself. He laughed and has never tried playing it again.

 

[ElzarTheBam]

Haha, if a relative walks into my room while im playing I sometimes just hand them the controller, just for the hilarity. I reckon if you could get your mom to play Halo, we could cut the dead weight that is Xand and co. Then your mom could teach your sister to play, then I could just play with your mom and your sister, we would be a pretty unbeatable team. (Just like we were last night.)

My dad tried playing Halo 2. Keep in mind he's thirty years my senior. Kept looking to the floor or the sky and nading himself. He laughed and has never tried playing it again.

Last time my dad played games, was Diddy Kong racing on the N64, loved that game.

 

[Gabotron ES]

Bubble shield gone? wtf is wrong with you 343, how am I supposed to protect my core from those damn elites!

BALANCE YOUR SHIT 343!

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Based on the end of the podcast we will get more Halo 4 information within a couple of weeks? Awesome.

 

[MrBig]

Having to get the DD GoD Reach is starting to come back and bite me in the ass with these ridiculously sized BF3 patches. Damn you MS for thinking a 20gb HDD would be acceptable. The 720 better come with at least a 256gb drive standard.

 

[Overdoziz]

Love it. It's the best map in Reach to showcase armor abilities. If you hate AAs, you'll loathe that map. But if you embrace them, you'll see the magic in Uncaged.

I wish Uncaged was only in playlists with AAs so that it could show its true potential without pissing off anti-AA Halo fans. I want a map that rewards and punishes AA loadouts.

One of the main criticisms of AAs is that maps weren't designed with them in mind. My ideal AA map balance philosophy would be to restrict and reward map movement per AA and to place power weapons in locations accessible only by AA. It'd incorporate the loadout-based gameplay of Reach with the equal-footing weapon balance of the Halo series.

An example of AA map balance would be to place the shotgun in an area accessible only by jetpack and the sniper only by Sprint. The amount of point-blank sprinting shotgunners and perch-camping snipers would be decreased. (An interesting dynamic for Halo 4 might be the ability to swap weapons with your teammates. Jetpackers could rush the Shotguns to get it for their teammate with Sprint. Of course, most of that would fall apart if you play with randoms, but it'd be neat to see how it would work with a full party.)

In regards to Uncaged, I wish the airlift from mid to top wasn't there. I want it to be an area accessible by jetpacks only. And I'd love it if the bridge from mid to cliff/sniper wasn't there. I'd like it to be similar to the disconnected bridge from The Cage, except both sides would be on an even plane. They'd be far enough apart where Sprint would be required to make the gap, and one could make the jump both ways. There'd be walls lining the gap high enough to cover a sprinting, jumping Spartan, but not high enough to cover a jetpacker.

Uncaged:
-Pick jetpack
-Win

 

[789shadow]

Uncaged:
-Pick jetpack
-Win

So awful.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

Having to get the DD GoD Reach is starting to come back and bite me in the ass with these ridiculously sized BF3 patches. Damn you MS for thinking a 20gb HDD would be acceptable. The 720 better come with at least a 256gb drive standard.

Oh I take it the patch is out?

I am also struggling for HD space, BF3 is a pretty big offender for eating it up.

 

[TheOddOne]

Love it. It's the best map in Reach to showcase armor abilities. If you hate AAs, you'll loathe that map. But if you embrace them, you'll see the magic in Uncaged.

I wish Uncaged was only in playlists with AAs so that it could show its true potential without pissing off anti-AA Halo fans. I want a map that rewards and punishes AA loadouts.

One of the main criticisms of AAs is that maps weren't designed with them in mind. My ideal AA map balance philosophy would be to restrict and reward map movement per AA and to place power weapons in locations accessible only by AA. It'd incorporate the loadout-based gameplay of Reach with the equal-footing weapon balance of the Halo series.

An example of AA map balance would be to place the shotgun in an area accessible only by jetpack and the sniper only by Sprint. The amount of point-blank sprinting shotgunners and perch-camping snipers would be decreased. (An interesting dynamic for Halo 4 might be the ability to swap weapons with your teammates. Jetpackers could rush the Shotguns to get it for their teammate with Sprint. Of course, most of that would fall apart if you play with randoms, but it'd be neat to see how it would work with a full party.)

In regards to Uncaged, I wish the airlift from mid to top wasn't there. I want it to be an area accessible by jetpacks only. And I'd love it if the bridge from mid to cliff/sniper wasn't there. I'd like it to be similar to the disconnected bridge from The Cage, except both sides would be on an even plane. They'd be far enough apart where Sprint would be required to make the gap, and one could make the jump both ways. There'd be walls lining the gap high enough to cover a sprinting, jumping Spartan, but not high enough to cover a jetpacker.

No. We are fighting against their creators. We have to stop them. We have to finish the job. Of course Halo will be covered on every TV news show because of this slogan and goal.

AND THE SPARKAST IS HERE!

ALL OVA MY FACE!

 

[Garrett 2U]

Could the 1-50 ranking system be back according to the latest sparkast?

He said "It was really fun for me because people didn't know what they were doing...... everyone at our studio is ranked 50, everyones pro level here."

They also said they could have their engineers go in and give them level 50.

 

[CyReN]

I thought that was a joke to get us hyped or something.

 

[789shadow]

Weird time, but anyone up for some Halo 3?

 

[Karl2177]

Having to get the DD GoD Reach is starting to come back and bite me in the ass with these ridiculously sized BF3 patches. Damn you MS for thinking a 20gb HDD would be acceptable. The 720 better come with at least a 256gb drive standard.

I have 56MB left on my 20GB HDD. Time for me to get another flashdrive.

Purely from a gun porn point of view, I really want to see the ODST SMG and pistol return. For SP at least.

I've probably preached it a hundred times, but the ODST SMG could easily work in MP. My ideal weapon sandbox. It's a bit of reading, but it gives you a bit of perspective on how I think the sandbox should work.

Im up for some Halo 3, wont be on till pretty late though!

What time GMT? I can switch it to CST from that.

I'm expecting E3 to feature either Campaign + Multiplayer or Campaign + Firefight. With smaller reveals dotted around and afterwards leading up to launch.

I'm hoping we get a new game mode.

Camapign
Multiplayer
Firefight
Forge
Theatre
Sandwich Party

It was unfortunate that Reach didn't bring anything new to the table and hopefully Halo 4 doesn't make it a trend.

I honestly hope they leave campaign relatively untouched until near launch. With Reach we almost knew everything until the last couple of levels before launch.

As for a new mode, Spec Ops pls. Or incorporate that into FF.

 

[Tashi]

I think it's safe to assume we'll get ranks.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

What time GMT? I can switch it to CST from that.

Hey, I wont be on xbox much today, may not be around until fairly late my time. Not sure what time though. Ill send you a pm if that changes!

Karl im not a big fan of some of your weapon chart. 5-6 shot kills, nerfed no scoping, I sort of understand your trying to seperate weapons into roles based on distance but I feel for Halo thats the wrong approach, fewer yet more versatile weapons leads to better gameplay in my opinion.

 

[HollovVpo1nt]

I was going through my saved films for giggles and I found a video I saved of a Multi Team match (2v2v2v2v2v2). Game mode? SWAT. SWAT in Multi Team was amazing. Why remove it?

 

[neoism]

I don't understand why sprint is in but not the Bubble Shield.

because every spartan should be able to run...