I agree entirely. I'm playing in hopes of having an enjoyable time. Speeding up the matching process while making sub-optimal matches undermines the entire reason I play.
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I agree entirely. I'm playing in hopes of having an enjoyable time. Speeding up the matching process while making sub-optimal matches undermines the entire reason I play.
TS x Massacre
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Has anyone posted this yet?
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/04/16/the-changes-to-halo-39-s-competitive-multiplayer.aspx
Nothing really new... I'm still not convinced yet.. hopefully this upcoming podcast has real information.
http://www.gameinformer.com/b/features/archive/2012/04/16/the-changes-to-halo-39-s-competitive-multiplayer.aspx
Nothing really new... I'm still not convinced yet.. hopefully this upcoming podcast has real information.
thezerofire
Banned
how are you getting in? I could easily get to LA, but I don't have a way in
OOhh shit!
squidhands
Member
Is purposefully flushing keys down the toilet really losing them?
edit: ooooh, new info. brb
ViewtifulJC
Banned
If you're talking about the GI video, then "lol"
cue explosions.
(sounds cool/fine to me)
Sounds like they are definitely moving more towards Halo 2 in terms of movement speed, game pace, etc.
thezerofire
Banned
yeah, I'm in Orange County, so pretty close too. Also @akakmac
bobs...onGaf
Member
"people are building playstyles up around the armour abilities more so than in the past"
- Just what I wanted out of Halo.
"all abilities have counters"
- Yay Halo 4: rock paper scissors evolved.
Despite how much I hated hearing those two things, the rest of the video sounded alright. Need to see gameplay footage to actually see if its a disaster or if it turns out well.
thezerofire
Banned
lots of "trust us, trust us" not enough "let us show you"
Franklinator
Member
Yay, another piece of Halo 4 media where all they say is "trust us"
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Definitive Halo from the people who brought you Halo
bobs...onGaf
Member
New armor lock confirmed.
What a ridiculous ability. Wallhacks have always been a detriment to games, and 343 thinks they can successfully implement it as a feature?
Franklinator
Member
Nope, it's true. Don't worry though. If you happen to pick Hologram when you spawn you'll be able to counter it!
thought they said you can see through walls to see objectives, but not opponents. I could be wrong though
Well that sucks. One, I could have sworn Frank said you "absolutely" can't see through walls. Two, when Frank said players who were familiar with their surroundings would remove the ability for something else I thought it'd be like an extended radar.
I hope it's at least very shot range. Don't want to be using snipe only for someone to see me, or to be coming around a corner and be seen when they're one shot only for them to sprint away.
That would be fine, and Frank's comments would line up with it.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Heh, thanks, me too! Someone made it for me in the defiled avatars thread.
THIIIIIS. Keep your fucking eyes PEELED.
My immediate reaction to that video:
Everything outside of Forerunner Vision sounded fine. The new FFA mode made it sound interesting for once. Sounded like an enhanced VIP.
Guessing you didn't like the whole 'sprint speeds up gameplay' argument? Actually, neither did I. Please don't have two-hit melees for goodness sake.
Franklinator
Member
I don't see how Forerunner Vision could only be for objectives or weapons when the guy says in the video that players with Hologram or Invisibility can trick someone who has Forerunner Vision on.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Man, that guy really held that second punch out.
Like an actor
Like an actor
Interesting video. Still want to see exactly how all this will work before I form a solid opinion. I am opened minded.
I imagine that the game at low levels will be much different than the game at high levels if it's balanced properly. At the highest levels the entire sandbox, weapons and armor abilities should be unlocked. What level will that be though? In CoD you can set the final unlock to a really high level because you can't level down. You just keep going up and up. Obviously the better players go up more quickly (which is something Welch said). In Halo though, that final unlock can't be too high because then you don't allow lower level players full access.
It can't be like that though. There's no way 343 would do that. My guess is that these experience points that lead up to level unlocks and spartan points can't be taken away from you. You won't be able to level down. I also would guess that you can get spartan points from other aspects and game modes to unlock stuff in multiplayer. Might there also be a rank that you can lose and only achieve through winning games? That's what I'm hoping for. 2 different ranking systems working together.
Also, the forerunner vision part gave me a little worries. He said that each armor ability has a counter to another armor ability. While that's all good and makes sense I also think that the base player traits of all players in the game, regardless of loadouts should counter each armor ability in some way. That may be achieved in many ways. I'm not saying give everyone something extra to counter each ability. It might be a counter built in to the ability itself and doesn't rely on other abilities to counter. Obviously we don't have the full story and I don't want to jump to conclusions so I'm just saying that I'm a little worried and that's it.
It could be interesting at a high level, 4v4 sequence where each team has a set loadout and a set role (a class) and it's up to the other team to counter it. That would work great in a 4v4 tournament, competitive league but for randoms in matchmaking it could potentially be a mess. Again, it's just things to try to juggle. I do have faith that 343 will support the game with patches and playlist updates as needed because this is their baby. They weren't given this game, they made it.
I imagine that the game at low levels will be much different than the game at high levels if it's balanced properly. At the highest levels the entire sandbox, weapons and armor abilities should be unlocked. What level will that be though? In CoD you can set the final unlock to a really high level because you can't level down. You just keep going up and up. Obviously the better players go up more quickly (which is something Welch said). In Halo though, that final unlock can't be too high because then you don't allow lower level players full access.
It can't be like that though. There's no way 343 would do that. My guess is that these experience points that lead up to level unlocks and spartan points can't be taken away from you. You won't be able to level down. I also would guess that you can get spartan points from other aspects and game modes to unlock stuff in multiplayer. Might there also be a rank that you can lose and only achieve through winning games? That's what I'm hoping for. 2 different ranking systems working together.
Also, the forerunner vision part gave me a little worries. He said that each armor ability has a counter to another armor ability. While that's all good and makes sense I also think that the base player traits of all players in the game, regardless of loadouts should counter each armor ability in some way. That may be achieved in many ways. I'm not saying give everyone something extra to counter each ability. It might be a counter built in to the ability itself and doesn't rely on other abilities to counter. Obviously we don't have the full story and I don't want to jump to conclusions so I'm just saying that I'm a little worried and that's it.
It could be interesting at a high level, 4v4 sequence where each team has a set loadout and a set role (a class) and it's up to the other team to counter it. That would work great in a 4v4 tournament, competitive league but for randoms in matchmaking it could potentially be a mess. Again, it's just things to try to juggle. I do have faith that 343 will support the game with patches and playlist updates as needed because this is their baby. They weren't given this game, they made it.
That and the just the overall pimpage of armour abilities in general. They're shit, they contributed to Reach being a pile of shit, and no amount of 'it still feels like Halo' is going to change that. I didn't dislike sprint because it wasn't balanced, I disliked it because it was a shit addition to the Halo sandbox.
I also hate how classic Halo now feels like an ugly duckling, kept around because it's part of the family.
Franklinator
Member
Edit: Yeah wait, that quote isn't really that clear.
Ultimately, if I'm out BRing someone and they can use something to gain the upper hand - Armour Lock did this in Reach - when their lack of skill should have resulted in a death, then something is wrong. The AAs we've had confirmed are Jetpack, Active Camo, Forerunner Vision and Hologram. They're actually pretty subtle armour abilities. Jetpack needs to have a shorter lifespan at least, camo needs a longer recharge rate to simulate the pick-up version, FV can't see players and Hologram is pretty pointless. My biggest worry is Sprint.
Good summary. However, even there are definitely ways to do asynchronous with AI that doesn't mean that the AI uses the same bandwidth as a player.
The reason why the campaign and co-op multiplayer uses synchronous lockstep networking is because it is the easiest way to synchronize code that was original written to be run on only one machine (A.I., physics, etc). Each player's console is essentially running a copy of the campaign / firefight as if it were running locally on their machine, with 4 players playing locally and some synchronization code to keep the controller inputs the same (over simplification of course). The game was written to be completely predictive - that is if you press a button on your controller when the state of the game is X the game will always do Y.
Now, I'm not saying it's easy, but the game could be rewritten such that asynchronous could be done without each AI taking up the bandwidth of a player. Instead the host would synchronize AI state (I'm moving to this position, I'm firing at this player, etc.) when the state changes rather than constantly sending a flood of millisecond updates about position, orientation, etc for each AI. Then of course the client consoles would have to run client side simulations based on the last known state, and correct the simulation as new updates arrive from the host.
It gets even more interesting if the "ownership" of the AI is based on which player is closest to the AI, who the AI is focusing its attention or, etc. allowing the peers to actually choose which console is controlling the AI to give even better response times for the player who needs them most.
Anyhow... yeah. Perhaps we'll see it someday in Halo. Or not.
Hypertrooper
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He did not say that you can not see any players with Forerunner Vision. You just can't see them anywhere on the map.
Tha Robbertster
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He says you can't see ALL the players on the map, not that you can't see players at all. At least, that's what I got from it.
I'm not too worried about the AA's. I think what the guy tried to say was that each AA will have its weaknesses.
I took this differently than you guys did.. maybe I'm wrong.
I thought he meant in terms of being able to see players anywhere on the map. Meaning, you can see players behind walls close to you.. it just doesn't give you the ability to see through every wall on the map from one spot, thus allowing you to see a player anywhere on the map.
Which is it?
Edit: Beaten.. twice
Hologram is awesome! You bite your tongue!
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I read it that way as well, Hyper/Robb/Homeboyd
You can't see people ANYWHERE, just...some places. Short range
You can't see people ANYWHERE, just...some places. Short range
I really hope jetpack like you said has a shorter lifespan. It should allow you to reach higher places and stuff, but not fly across the map.
How long are you going to be looking for more submissions?
If it brings back 2Pac, I'm all for it.