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Halo |OT8| A Salt on the Control Room

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GhaleonEB

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FyreWulff said:
I think at this point, my favorite LE edition is the one for Halo Wars. You got the physical book, the patch-thingy, some other stuff, and the in-game cosmetic skulls and the Mythic Map Pack. It felt like it was worth the money.
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Halo 2 is still my favorite, in terms of bang for the buck, and quality of content.

Conversations From the Universe

Covenant-themed manual

Bonus DVD with behind the scenes documentary and other stuff

Steelbook

For $5 extra.
 
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Zeouterlimits

Member
GhaleonEB said:
Halo 2 is still my favorite, in terms of bang for the buck, and quality of content.

Conversations From the Universe

Covenant-themed manual

Bonus DVD with behind the scenes documentary and other stuff

Steelbook

For $5 extra.
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Agreed, fabulous, unexpected quality LE. Blew me away.
 
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Tawpgun

Member
Going full on Team Downer is bad but going full on SLRP SLRP is annoying too and there are people who do it here too.

These are the people who say you are not allowed to judge a game unless you've played the full version for some time and until then everything the Dev is doing is infallible.

I want Team Reasonable at PAX in full force.




Having no beta sucks.
 
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GhaleonEB

Member
Tawpgun said:
Going full on Team Downer is bad but going full on SLRP SLRP is annoying too and there are people who do it here too.

These are the people who say you are not allowed to judge a game unless you've played the full version for some time and until then everything the Dev is doing is infallible.

I want Team Reasonable at PAX in full force.




Having no beta sucks.
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I'll be representing Team Reasonable at PAX.
 
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Hydranockz

Member
Tawpgun said:
Going full on Team Downer is bad but going full on SLRP SLRP is annoying too and there are people who do it here too.

These are the people who say you are not allowed to judge a game unless you've played the full version for some time and until then everything the Dev is doing is infallible.

I want Team Reasonable at PAX in full force.
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Can't say I agree with your views.
 
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User 73706

Banned
Tawpgun said:
Going full on Team Downer is bad but going full on SLRP SLRP is annoying too and there are people who do it here too.

These are the people who say you are not allowed to judge a game unless you've played the full version for some time and until then everything the Dev is doing is infallible.

I want Team Reasonable at PAX in full force.




Having no beta sucks.
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I completely read this as "going down on team Downer."

Plywood said:
Not the same song, listen past the 20 second mark.
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Shit, my bad. That's completely new to me, weird. And it hasn't been reprised in any way we've heard so far, so it's probably either some "public domain" thing 343 found, or Davidge whipped it up early and it'll be on the soundtrack somewhere. If you want I could very easily download it in HD and rip the audio for you and fix up the opening to get rid of Chief's dialogue.
 
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Havok

Member
bobs99 ... said:
Halo 3 held the top spot on live against stiff competition from cod4, world at war and even modern warfare 2. A good halo game wouldn't need to change its identity to compete.
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Except that Halo 3 was regularly beaten by World at War throughout 2009, was regularly below Call of Duty 4 in 2008, and as soon as Modern Warfare 2 came along that was it, Halo 3 retook #1 maybe once from that point on. I don't know what your definition of "held the top spot" is, but it was absolutely, definitely not even close to being cemented at #1. I mean, World at War, an unpopular game to fans, was the definition of splitting the userbase for Call of Duty, even before the Modern Warfare 2 popularity boom and it beat Halo 3 on a regular basis at the height of Halo's popularity. Yeah, Reach is #5 now, but I don't know that we can say whether that's because of this decline of Halo everybody is afraid of, because it wasn't marketed as an important Halo game, or because Call of Duty is so goddamn huge, bigger than Halo ever was.

I don't think Halo needs to change its identity, I'm not arguing for that, but I just thought the quoted statement was factually ridiculous.
 
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The P of Poland

Member
Shadders said:
So I've ordered this nerf gun: http://nerf.wikia.com/wiki/Longstrike_CS-6

I'm going to mod it in to the Halo 4 DMR. Seems a good match in terms of scale and form. I've never done anything like this before so it will probably be a disaster

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Eh, no matter how good you happen to be at this, it still won't look or function like the DMR. The DMR is a bullpup design, meaning the magazine is behind the trigger. That Nerf gun clearly has the magazine in front of the trigger. It has a very significant effect on the appearance and function of a weapon.
 
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bobs...onGaf

Member
Havok said:
Except that Halo 3 was regularly beaten by World at War throughout 2009, was regularly below Call of Duty 4 in 2008, and as soon as Modern Warfare 2 came along that was it, Halo 3 retook #1 maybe once from that point on. I don't know what your definition of "held the top spot" is, but it was absolutely, definitely not even close to being cemented at #1. I mean, World at War, an unpopular game to fans, was the definition of splitting the userbase for Call of Duty, even before the Modern Warfare 2 popularity boom and it beat Halo 3 on a regular basis. Yeah, Reach is #5 now, but I don't know that we can say whether that's because of this decline of Halo everybody is afraid of, because it wasn't marketed as an important Halo game, or because Call of Duty is so goddamn huge, bigger than Halo ever was.

I don't think Halo needs to change its identity, I'm not arguing for that, but I just thought the quoted statement was factually ridiculous.
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Wait, I remember Halo 3 going back to 1# after Christmas a few months after MW2 and holding that spot. I know it traded placed a lot with WaW, but I would still call that successful in the fact that a good Halo game can trade with CoD, it doesnt need to gut itself to try and appeal to that market. Are the Halo fans who helped it hold or trade the number 1 spot going to be so dedicated to a game that changed its own mechanics to play more like the competition?

For the record I dont think xbl activity charts are any fit way to judge these things, but its clear that Halo could hold its own against CoD. (Or at least thats how I remember it)
 
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Ragnarok Flames

Banned
The P of Poland said:
Eh, no matter how good you happen to be at this, it still won't look or function like the DMR. The DMR is a bullpup design, meaning the magazine is behind the trigger. That Nerf gun clearly has the magazine in front of the trigger. It has a very significant effect on the appearance and function of a weapon.
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would be better off using the nerf rayven
 
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Havok

Member
bobs99 ... said:
Wait, I remember Halo 3 going back to 1# after Christmas a few months after MW2 and holding that spot. I know it traded placed a lot with WaW, but I would still call that successful in the fact that a good Halo game can trade with CoD, it doesnt need to guy itself to try and appeal to that market. Are the Halo fans who helped it hold or trade the number 1 spot going to be so dedicated to a game that changed its own mechanics to play more like the competition?

For the record I dont think xbl activity charts are any fit way to judge these things, but its clear that Halo could hold its own against CoD. (Or at least thats how I remember it)
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The activity charts are the only way we have to compare them. And Halo could hold its own against Call of Duty then, but that series' popularity has exploded since then. It's the console shooter series, just like Halo was before. Halo 3 releasing now would not hold the same places on the activity chart as it did then. The online environment has changed drastically even in those few years, and people tend to disregard that when they make these comparisons. Black Ops is one of the best selling games of all time.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
UNKNOWN iXi said:
Guys, guys.. let's not forget about the instruction manual written from the Covenant perspective ;]
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http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/gaming/2004/11/alien_autopsy.html

Slate.com said:
This inverted perspective extends, brilliantly, to the manual that comes along with the game's "Limited Collector's Edition." While the game's plain-jane $45 version comes with a guide written from the human perspective, the bulked-up $55 edition (it also comes with a DVD) has the exact same handbook written from the alien perspective. Both books cover the same material—the weapons, the combatants, the Byzantine back story—but with hilariously different interpretations. The human guide calls the littlest aliens "Grunts" and says that "they will often panic when faced with superior forces." The alien guide calls them by their actual name, Unggoy, and purrs that they "will as ever fight well with their comrades." More pointedly yet, the aliens refer to their defeat in the first game as "The Atrocity at Halo." Who wrote this thing, Noam Chomsky?


Of course, you could argue just as easily that Paul Wolfowitz wrote the humans' guide. The narrative seems awfully familiar: a "good" force, convinced of its moral superiority, hacking through a faceless, undeterred horde that's driven by religious fervor. Ahem. Halo 2's designers have denied that their game was at all inspired by the Iraq war or that they're taking any partisan stance. I think they're telling the truth. Though some of the early locales do look, creepily, like burned-out Middle Eastern cities, it's hard to argue that a game that makes killing so much fun is antiwar. The game's storyline owes as much to the florid style of Star Wars as it does to the florid style of modern geopolitics. And, as I've written before, the concept of seeing yourself through the eyes of a foe isn't an entirely new one in video games.
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FyreWulff

Member
GhaleonEB said:
I'll be representing Team Reasonable at PAX.
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I'll be representing Team No Longer Tripping On Vicodin


GhaleonEB said:
Halo 2 is still my favorite, in terms of bang for the buck, and quality of content.

Conversations From the Universe

Covenant-themed manual

Bonus DVD with behind the scenes documentary and other stuff

Steelbook

For $5 extra.
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Wars also had the neat History Timeline that didn't require me to yell at a Kinect to use it. 2's was pretty good though.
 
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bobs...onGaf

Member
Havok said:
The activity charts are the only way we have to compare them. And Halo could hold its own against Call of Duty then, but that series' popularity has exploded since then. It's the console shooter series, just like Halo was before. Halo 3 releasing now would not hold the same places on the activity chart as it did then. The environment has changed. Black Ops is one of the best selling games of all time.
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Modern Warfare 2 was the game that had the BIG marketing push behind it, and that came out in 2009, Halo 3 at that time a two year old game, did pretty well against it.

Meh, even if Call of Duty blew Halo out of the water, changing your game to try and steal the competitions audience is a cheap move and is hardly keeping the original fans best interests in mind. Not saying thats what 343 has done, im just talking in very broad terms.
 
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Plywood

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Wahrer Machine said:
Shit, my bad. That's completely new to me, weird. And it hasn't been reprised in any way we've heard so far, so it's probably either some "public domain" thing 343 found, or Davidge whipped it up early and it'll be on the soundtrack somewhere. If you want I could very easily download it in HD and rip the audio for you and fix up the opening to get rid of Chief's dialogue.
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Nah, it's cool. I was just wondering if that's gonna be a final track or not. :)
 
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Hydranockz

Member
bobs99 ... said:
Not saying thats what 343 has done, im just talking in very broad terms.
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Broad in what sense? Because you seem to be saying 343 has donr just that right here:

Also seems stupid to chase the current popular thing, why would the CoD crowd play your knock off rather than the real thing? Why would I play a half baked Halo game? Which market is it appealing to? Both the Halo and CoD market or neither?
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User 73706

Banned
Plywood said:
Nah, it's cool. I was just wondering if that's gonna be a final track or not. :)
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Hard to say, really. We still have plenty of unreleased tracks so it might find its way into a suite, I've been wondering the same thing about the Concept Art Trailer's music myself. If not, hopefully they pull a Bungie and just put a few unreleased tracks up for free download on the site.

Also, Reach has to be my favorite limited edition (I've got 2, Wars, and Reach in limited/limited/legendary edition) if only for Halsey's journal. That's how you sell pieces of paper.
 
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Stinkles

Clothed, sober, cooperative
Wahrer Machine said:
I completely read this as "going down on team Downer."



Shit, my bad. That's completely new to me, weird. And it hasn't been reprised in any way we've heard so far, so it's probably either some "public domain" thing 343 found, or Davidge whipped it up early and it'll be on the soundtrack somewhere. If you want I could very easily download it in HD and rip the audio for you and fix up the opening to get rid of Chief's dialogue.
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We haven't used any public domain tracks. The only musical exception was the two versions of the weapons vid and eventhat was a remix of the real OST. You have a link to which track you mean and I will tell you what it is.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi

FUNKNOWN iXi

Member
Wahrer Machine said:
Hard to say, really. We still have plenty of unreleased tracks so it might find its way into a suite, I've been wondering the same thing about the Concept Art Trailer's music myself. If not, hopefully they pull a Bungie and just put a few unreleased tracks up for free download on the site.

Also, Reach has to be my favorite limited edition (I've got 2, Wars, and Reach in limited/limited/legendary edition) if only for Halsey's journal. That's how you sell pieces of paper.
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..or through a multi-billion dollar industry just so people can advance in life due to a little piece of paper..

College.
 
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Droid

Member
Wahrer Machine said:
hey guys what's going on in this threa-
Haven't seen this many salty juniors since the last time I went to Wendy's.
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Only NeoGAF members are so loyal to a forum title, regardless of the substance of the post. Sorry I don't play ring around the kiss-ass like you guys do.
 
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bobs...onGaf

Member
Hydranockz said:
Broad in what sense? Because you seem to be saying 343 has donr just that right here:
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I don't think they went out of they're way to copy CoD without considering the Halo fans. I simply think it was the easiest route for innovation for them.

I was simply responding to Havok by saying, even if CoD annihilated Halo, copying CoD wouldn't be the way to go to get that population back. Again, I dont think they are copying CoD because it is doing better than Halo, again I just think it was down to the inability to really think of anything more interesting themselves.

I guess the distinction im making is, 343 isnt chasing those CoD dollars out of a lack of respect for the long term fans, they are just trying to push the game forward and the only way they know to do that is by imitating, not innovating. Some companies wouldnt give a shit what the long term fans wanted and would change theyre game to be the flavour of the month for the money, I dont think 343 is doing that.
 
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Hypertrooper

Member
GhaleonEB said:
Halo 2 is still my favorite, in terms of bang for the buck, and quality of content.

Conversations From the Universe

Covenant-themed manual

Bonus DVD with behind the scenes documentary and other stuff

Steelbook

For $5 extra.
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I miss Bonus DVD with making of stuff in a CE. But kids want R/C vehicles, or action figures/statues. Sigh.
 
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NobleGundam

Banned
Id like a Promethean (Flash/Flare) Grenade. Would slightly blind their HUD for 1-3 seconds. Not like the flare equipment but something similar to it and the Prom EMP nade.
 
FUNKNOWN iXi

FUNKNOWN iXi

Member
heckfu said:
I'm sorry, I don't think ring around the kiss-ass is an actual game.
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Sounds sexual..

lol but Droid, I don't think that comment was meant to be as malicious as you took it. Surprisingly, I see less kiss-assing on these forums than I do elsewhere.. Shocking too because devs actually post here.
 
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Hydranockz

Member
bobs99 ... said:
I don't think they went out of they're way to copy CoD without considering the Halo fans. I simply think it was the easiest route for innovation for them.

I was simply responding to Havok by saying, even if CoD annihilated Halo, copying CoD wouldn't be the way to go to get that population back. Again, I dont think they are copying CoD because it is doing better than Halo, again I just think it was down to the inability to really think of anything more interesting themselves.

I guess the distinction im making is, 343 isnt chasing those CoD dollars out of a lack of respect for the long term fans, they are just trying to push the game forward and the only way they know to do that is by imitating, not innovating. Some companies wouldnt give a shit what the long term fans wanted and would change theyre game to be the flavour of the month for the money, I dont think 343 is doing that.
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Agree to disagree I guess.
 
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