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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains
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ncsuDuncan
Member
It's going to suck being the flagrunner on Ragnarok. At least before when you had to trek across all the open ground you didn't have a waypoint telling everyone your exact location.
I guess it'll be balanced by all of the people standing at the Mantis spawn waiting for it to appear.
I guess it'll be balanced by all of the people standing at the Mantis spawn waiting for it to appear.
It's going to suck being the flagrunner on Ragnarok. At least before when you had to trek across all the open ground you didn't have a waypoint telling everyone your exact location.
I guess it'll be balanced by all of the people standing at the Mantis spawn waiting for it to appear.
I can't wait for surfing the flag on top of the mantis
The Librarian
Banned
Why do my beloved bases have fins?
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
I was wrong about the 2nd canon but right about the ramps. =P
Demoncarnotaur
Member
I don't like Ragnarok's aesthetics. Its very... Valhalla in HD-y. I wanted something special, like a little more snow, maybe at sunset. I have said this before, I know, but still.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
How else would you lock down vehicles?
Pop
Member
Remake not a revision
Honestly, if there were no vehicles on Valhalla, it would make me like the map a whole lot more. I don't think vehicles work on that map...
but Laser has always been on valhalla
BG wasn't good for MP above 8 people. Waterworks, Headlong, even Containment and Coag's were above it. More entrances of attacking the base whether it's for rushing with the bomb, or pushing multiple players in for a flag run. It was often too confined and empty for something that's built for 16 players. I felt Avalanche was the same way.
Course there's a Laser. Like noted, how else you going to counter the Banshee bomb of death. Though I'm not sure this version will be as destructive if it can't run and hide to retain its shields and repeat the scenario.
One change from BG/Coag in those games to Hemorrhage in Reach was replacing the Rockets with a Plasma Launcher. But now...
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Wat?
GodfatherX
Member
the important question.....can you use the mantis in the man cannon?
ArchedThunder
Banned
That was there in Halo 3.
Demoncarnotaur
Member
Pop
Member
And it has always been horrible.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Triple Kill!!
Atleast it won't be as bad as Hemorrhage.
RebornYeti
Member
Valhalla: Now with 100% more shadows!
Being the best BTB map in Halo 3 doesn't make valhalla a good map - it was just the least terrible.
Disappointed it's not waterworks, containment or coagulation to be honest.
... of course it could just be part of a forge environment and the real remake is still to come...right? RIGHT??
Disappointed it's not waterworks, containment or coagulation to be honest.
... of course it could just be part of a forge environment and the real remake is still to come...right? RIGHT??
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Custom Games, replace Laser with Rockets. Done.
Valhalla as a whole, bases included, basically fixed the major design flaws on those maps.
Yup. Please do NOT put that thing in matchmaking, 343. You have plenty of other heavy ordnance that would work better, such as the Forerunner disintegration cannon thingy.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
Replace Lazer with Railgun or Binary Rifle
ncsuDuncan
Member
I wonder how fast/nimble the Mantis is. Probably going to be defenseless against a Spartan Laser.
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The more forge-able that bases are, the better. It would be nice to have the chance to build something different in that canyon.
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The more forge-able that bases are, the better. It would be nice to have the chance to build something different in that canyon.
You wanted another coag? We've had one version of that map in each Halo.
Now Waterworks. that would've been awesome.
ElzarTheBam
Member
JohnOfMars
Banned
The Sparkast was really reassuring to someone who has a lot of reservations about the sandbox. In particular, this made my day:
AWWW YEAH!
AWWW YEAH!
A coagulation remake rather than a blood gulch remake like hemorrhage would have been preferable to valhalla for me. Valhalla is just so flat and uninteresting compared to the halo 2 BTB maps.
Ragnarok Flames
Banned
I just wish they would give some sort of metrics like Vehicle health and weapon damage.
The Librarian
Banned
FRG, rockets, incinerator, railgun (maybe even the SD) all are better options. There's absolutely no excuse for the Spartan Laser to be on Valhalla again.
Totally different things. At least with "random" cross map sticks, the player is aiming and throwing those grenades. With randomized no-scopes, someone who is not aiming at an enemy can still get a kill. It's even more ridiculous when you consider that the binary rifle is a one shot kill.
There's a big difference between a player getting a "lucky" cross-map no scope and hard-coded randomness. At least when I get no-scoped, even by the scrubbiest of scrubs, I know they were aiming at me when they pulled the trigger. I can live with that. Its really stupid to have it randomized.
GodfatherX
Member
nostalgia
Matter of preference, I guess. I just think that map is overused and I've always enjoyed Valhalla. With
Just like the Mech
Maybe the Laser is only there with custom settings, to show the Valhalla everyone knows?
Halo 2 is not a good competitive game. The animation glitches were the only thing that most real competitive players look back on fondly. The shooting skill-gap was non-existent. How can that make for a good competitive shooter?
If anyone is wondering why I kept missing the Watchers and the Banshees (and kind of the Elites, but I was able to lead those shots) it's because there was RIDICULOUS lag in the AV system in the hall. Made me miss a neat little vignette, but we will put out a better playthrough at some point.
Vire
Member
You did seem frustrated lol
The shooting skill gap was nonexistent?
Well you certainly didnt play halo 2 at all because the gap is larger in halo 2 than any other halo game by a far margin
squidhands
Member
Are there any returning aerial vehicles besides the Banshee that have been announced? I wouldn't mind seeing some revamped versions of the Hornet or even the Falcon, but I won't be terribly disappointed if they don't come back.It's going to suck being the flagrunner on Ragnarok. At least before when you had to trek across all the open ground you didn't have a waypoint telling everyone your exact location.
I guess it'll be balanced by all of the people standing at the Mantis spawn waiting for it to appear.
Indeed, there are plenty of new weapons that could easily take the Laser's place and would undoubtedly work better. It will be interesting to see how it's set up with the ordnance drops.
I had to fix all the TVs for the Halo Freeplay at PAX. You'd think PAX, a thing run by gamers would be able to get TVs properly set up... nope
Hydranockz
Member
I completely agree and perhaps I wasn't too clear about my own stance (surprise surprise).
Firstly, I think my core thing is that, if the game itself is fun in a purely gameplay manner, then any thing on top of that (done well) is going to greatly improve the game. You list SMB, Geometry Wars, Rock Band Blitz and Alan Wake which, don't get me wrong, are totally enhanced by those leaderboards. What really makes that worthwhile, in my opinion, is the really solid gameplay those games offer.
Super Meat Boy has really tight controls and extremely challenging levels. Before you even know how you rank alongside your friends and the world, you see your time, you see your many failed attempts and you essentially see that one guy completing the course. It's so good. The game, purely at that level, is fun. The leaderboards totally enhances it though because you see the times people have. You know those times are possible and you know you can possibly beat those times. The really responsive controls and stuff reduces the differences to being player skill and mastering the elements.
My thought process is, is that, if I was to take SMB and give it some slightly less responsive controls or a level where something random could pop out and kill you, the leaderboards would still be cool and possibly fun, although marred by the bad gameplay in some way. The leaderboard needs to be a controlled environment where players can know they actually deserve that rank rather than getting lucky.
If Halo 3 had AR starts in every ranked playlist, would you still enjoy ranking up to a 50? I understand how the drive to achieve higher ranks is a powerful motivator in games. I just think that the underlying gameplay has to support the player.
Infinity Slayer isn't something I can say for certain is something I want to see ranks attached to. Because of the somewhat random factors, players would feel as though the game was giving them to chance to rank up, instead of the player using the game to rank up. I dunno :lol The EXP system is a bit more beneficial for those kind of things I think.
I just think that in order for those extra systems to work properly, the game has to offer substantial purpose and enjoyment. Obviously the type of game has to cater to whatever system is in place. In RBB, the powerups are not random. The firecracker and pinball are perhaps on the lower end of the skill tree but even the players that use them can still weigh up with anyone who goes for the streak multipliers and stuff.
I need more practice writing my thoughts into words