The grass is still there on the original map. It's just that this Valhalla isn't set on Halo...
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Halo |OT9| One Final Effort Is All That Remains
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Gabotron ES
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Hypertrooper
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Each base has a Banshee, a Mantis and a Mongoose. To be honest I think there is a Warthog too but I am not 100% sure.
The Librarian
Banned
I like the overall aesthetics of Ragnarok, but it's not perfect. The rocks and sky look fantastic, as do the basis for the most part. I have one huge nitpick: the fins on the bases. Why are they there? I think they look silly. The terrain is the worst thing about the look the of the map, and that's a big deal for me. I don't like the grass-desert combination. What made Valhalla so beautiful and atmospheric was the snow and lush grass. Playing it you got the sense the average temperature on that map was in the 50s, maybe 40s. A chilly, crisp day. This map gives off the opposite feeling: average of 80s - 90s and hot. I don't like it.
It looks to be an almost 1:1 remake, and I've already said my doubts about Valhalla's layout working well in Halo 4's sandbox. I'm not too hyped for this. I'm very eager to try it out and be proven wrong, though.
It looks to be an almost 1:1 remake, and I've already said my doubts about Valhalla's layout working well in Halo 4's sandbox. I'm not too hyped for this. I'm very eager to try it out and be proven wrong, though.
*fist-bump* Steely, I completely agree with you. I had a general sense of apprehension while watching the video.
Good off-screen footage, but I really wish he had gone through the mancannon. Any videos in which someone goes through the mancannon? I need to see these things in action!
I hope so.
Neutral Ghost does make a lot of sense. I wonder if the Scorpion from the video was just placed for effect, not actually in the default settings. Thanks for clarifying, by the way. I suspected it was just speculation, but I wasn't sure.
Hogs can be seen in this shot. Unless those weren't there when you played them, but...
They wouldn't omit Warthogs from a Valhalla remake - that would be crazy. Right?
Hypertrooper
Member
I asked Frankie and it is nearly 1:1 remake except fpt one path(I don't know which one.) which wad widened.
And Frankie loves the Mantis or is eager to hear people's opinion about it. He literally asked me ten times: Did you try the Mantis yet?
How many times is that in USD.
ElzarTheBam
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VIP on Valhalla.
Except the VIP spawns in the mech.
Can it be done? Who knows.
Would I play it? Only once.
Except the VIP spawns in the mech.
Can it be done? Who knows.
Would I play it? Only once.
squidhands
Member
Would this week fall under "soonish" in this instance?
Did I see it fall to it's knees when it was Plasma shot? Regardless, it was a cool video and great to see what Ragnarok looks like now.
Der Flatulator
Member
Went through the gameplay video(s) and made this:
There may be more, but that's all I got.
There may be more, but that's all I got.
Went through the gameplay video(s) and made this:
There may be more, but that's all I got.
I think we can guess that there will be a second Railgun in the other cave path, right?
Hopefully not the final layout, this is almost like a heavy variant.
edit: also great work setting this up
Der Flatulator
Member
I would assume so, but I didn't see it in the gameplay.
Also worth noting is that rockets spawn near the Pelican (where I've marked shotgun) in the trailer, but I've ignored that as there is also a Scorpion in that trailer...
Ragnarok looks nice except for the terrain. I don't know how anyone could think splotchy terrain is anything but an eyesore. Especially when you're remaking a map known for its lush terrain.
By the way, it looks like to me that the walls surrounding the base are higher on Ragnarok. I don't remember them being that high on Valhalla.
i think he had crouch toggled, as 1) he was terrible and 2) he seemed to have no issue looking over the wall after that awkwardness
360 version
Congrats dude!
Ragnarok looks like Valhalla, but I'm not sold on the mech.
OdysseusVA
Banned
Has the Waypoint video been fixed? I noticed the framerate never got over 16fps :/
Edit: No it hasn't.
Edit: No it hasn't.
Poker Face
Member
So I still think the ground looks off, which is a shame since everything else looks ridiculously good.
Kind of wondering how dominion will work on valhalla with only two bases though.
Until the other team changes there loadouts to plasma pistols and stickies
Kind of wondering how dominion will work on valhalla with only two bases though.
Until the other team changes there loadouts to plasma pistols and stickies
Get out
of my head Elzar
Der Flatulator
Member
I brought it up yesterday, I came up with this:
Assuming another base could be forged.
Deputy Moonman
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Blaining means know thyself.
I wanna tell you a little secret, blaining in the mantis is just like being in love. No one needs to tell you you are blaining, you just know it, through and through.
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Ground looks better in Halo 3, not to mention more foliage.
Am I crazy in thinking Valhalla looks better?
I admit I got all warm and fuzzy seeing Valhalla in action again. My favorite Halo map ever is back in a very faithful remake. It looks wonderful. I will take this moment to be optimistic about it.
Okay, done.
Please take the Mantis off it.
But I like the Mantis
Deputy Moonman
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Hydranockz
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I'm going to wait until we get proper MP footage of the Mantis before I decide if I want it on Ragnarok or not. I mean, it is a video made to show off the Mantis. I imagine the gameplay we've seen is purely just to highlight how fun it can be without really drawing attention to the drawbacks it has.
Der Flatulator
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Just had a minor epiphany, mixed with déjà vu regarding deja view.
Halo Reach, Bungie announced Hemorrhage on Bungie Day 2010, then, soon after, they announced Hemorrhage was part of Forge World
343i just announced a Valhalla remake, and have mentioned forge information is coming soon....
Valhalla is a Forge Canvas.
Halo Reach, Bungie announced Hemorrhage on Bungie Day 2010, then, soon after, they announced Hemorrhage was part of Forge World
343i just announced a Valhalla remake, and have mentioned forge information is coming soon....
Valhalla is a Forge Canvas.
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I would nod in potential agreement had they not specified that the remake is part of the 10 base maps, and the 3 Forge maps are separate.
It does look like there are forgeable elements, though, such as the man cannons.
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah, so far I think Valhalla looks better.
Cool. Hopefully the mech and Ragnorok are at NYCC so I can get my hands on it. However, if opportunity allows it, the first thing I'll do when I play Halo 4 is hop in a Banshee, fly it as high as I can, then get out to see if there's fall damage.
Went through the gameplay video(s) and made this:
There may be more, but that's all I got.
This is great. Hope to see it updated as we find out more.
...
I've been thinking about why, from the start, I've felt apprehensive from a fiction and thematic point of view at least about a mech being in Halo, and I think I've finally figured out why. Humans in the Halo universe are very practical, grounded; rooted in today's world. Think back to the first time you played Pillar of Autumn. Take a look at this console:
What do you see here? No touch screens, no control panels like this, and nothing that a person from the twenty-first century wouldn't be unfamiliar with. It has knobs, buttons, and 2D screens. The floor plating and structure is built only as what's required, out of a metal that's available to us on Earth not some unknown element that has yet to be discovered. This theme of familiarity doesn't stop here. You don't see teleporters, replicators, hover cars or anything like that. They have tanks, jeeps, ATVs, cars, and helicopters (though smaller and more efficient) all stuff we have today. In ship-to-ship combat, the UNSC doesn't fight with laser, phasers, photon torpedoes or other made-up futuristic weapons. They battle with missiles, rail guns, nukes and huge fucking cannons: all things we know about today. Humanity in Halo is very much a futuristic civilization, but it is very much rooted in today's technology.
Something like mantis trips over the practicality of humanity and the theme of familiarity.
Not saying anything about it from a gameplay standpoint with any of that.
I like what this man says.
I'm optimistic because Halo can't be about good looks, it's just a requirement to stay competitive in the FPS space, allows for a better depiction of events, and makes 343i proud.
But mostly I need a fun game, like yesterday. And dangerous ain't bad.
Uncharted Waves
Banned
From the limited video shown Halo 3 water I think still edges it mostly because I don't think the water here has the same physics and object interactivity with bodies, objects, etc... I'm not holding my breath for floating bodies and stuff which is very disappointing.
Hydranockz
Member
I've been thinking about why, from the start, I've felt apprehensive from a fiction and thematic point of view at least about a mech being in Halo, and I think I've finally figured out why. Humans in the Halo universe are very practical, grounded; rooted in today's world. Think back to the first time you played Pillar of Autumn. Take a look at this console:
What do you see here? No touch screens, no control panels like this, and nothing that a person from the twenty-first century wouldn't be unfamiliar with. It has knobs, buttons, and 2D screens. The floor plating and structure is built only as what's required, out of a metal that's available to us on Earth not some unknown element that has yet to be discovered. This theme of familiarity doesn't stop here. You don't see teleporters, replicators, hover cars or anything like that. They have tanks, jeeps, ATVs, cars, and helicopters (though smaller and more efficient) all stuff we have today. In ship-to-ship combat, the UNSC doesn't fight with laser, phasers, photon torpedoes or other made-up futuristic weapons. They battle with missiles, rail guns, nukes and huge fucking cannons: all things we know about today. Humanity in Halo is very much a futuristic civilization, but it is very much rooted in today's technology.
Something like mantis trips over the practicality of humanity and the theme of familiarity.
Not saying anything about it from a gameplay standpoint with any of that.
Should humanity 250 years from now still e so familar that even a bipedal mech is too out of the ordinary?
It does look fun. My first thought was - we're going to get to tear the shit out of stuff in Campaign and Spartan Ops with it, and it will be amazing. Being able to stomp other vehicles to death? Yes please.
I'm just worried about it in MP, and on Valhalla in particular. We'll see how it goes, but Valhalla is a relatively open map and the video showed the Mantis taking infantry out in a faction of a second.
Encouraging, and the first time I've thought that spawning with a Plasma Pistol might not be a bad thing.
HigherLevel
Member
Valhalla looks nice. Can't wait to play it again. My only worry is the DMR's scope making the team with the middle hill dominate.
Deputy Moonman
Member
Hydranockz, you're always too reasonable. Stop it!
<3
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Someone animate that mech into an armor lock. Then send it to Kyle.
squidhands
Member
Ragnarok certainly seems...brighter (though it looks like storm clouds overhead in one of the pics). Dunno if that makes Valhalla better, though. There's a bit of a Gears of War vibe in all of the maps I've seen so far with the lighting, and I kind of like it.
So far, the Mantis looks incredibly powerful. Considering that we can have Plasma Pistols in our loadout, high-value weapons like the laser, railgun, snipers already on the map, AND ordnance drops, I think it needs to be powerful. I may change my tune when a team has both Mantii (?), the laser, and Banshees, but for now I'll stay incredibly giddy on Team SLRP.
That's..brilliant.
i want a speed-ctf variant with everyone having their own mantis and i want it now.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The Librarian
Banned
Probably not, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. It's not familiar to us, and that's why, at first thought, it doesn't fit well. Not saying I can't get used to the idea, but when a franchise has, for ten years, been with a human race that's very much like today's society, it does come off a bit silly. "Oh yeah, they fight with guns, jeeps, ATVs, helicopters, bullets, rockets, nukes, railguns, missiles, and...mechs wait, what?"
I know this comment may seem a bit silly if you consider half-ton soldiers running around with super advanced technology, but when all things considered I think it's just a bit out of place. It's not outside their technological range, but it doesn't give me "practical" in the UNSC sense.
squidhands
Member
The Mantis is actually* an homage to the Apollo Lunar Module; the upper portion detaches from the legs and the arms turn into the rotors, redubbed the Dragonfly.Still waiting for my Hornet to come back
* - not actually
Kibbles
Member
Yeah and the fact you can just select the PP as a starting side-weapon whenever you feel like it doesn't make it seem OP'd to me at all.
I love Valhalla, and want to be awesome in Halo 4. And the Mantis looks great. I think I'm too pessimistic about BTB in Halo 4 to get too excited until I've played it, but it sure looks fun. Color me very cautiously optimistic. (My daughter while watching the video: "It looks like the one from Avatar!")
That would be a lot of fun. I wonder if there's a way to bind vehicles as being the "hill" in KotH again, that could be interesting as players fight for control of the Mantis.
I just don't think that creating a powerful vehicle, and then letting everyone spawn with plasma pistols sounds like a good idea. It's Jaime Griesemer's tank/mine analogy verbatim. Plasma pistols on spawn is one of the main reasons I'm nervous about BTB.