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Halo: Reach |OT5| A Monument to All Our Sins
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ManBearPanda
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At first, it looked like foreign babble to me, but once you start playing it yourself, it's just as great as watching some good old Halo 2/3 mlg games.A27 Tawpgun said:
A27_StarWolf
Banned
I had a thought today. What if the enemies in Halo 4 were like, anti hero forerunners that devolved a bit and survived?
I'm getting on Halo for the first time all week, you know you want to join me
I'm getting on Halo for the first time all week, you know you want to join me
Rickenslacker
Banned
Actually one of the things I found really interesting about CE at the time was that there were no bossfights. By the time I saw that end cutscene I was shocked I didn't have to circlestrafe a bulletsponge like was the norm in all FPS games before it.wwm0nkey said:
Then Halo 2 came out lol.
The Real Napsta
Member
wwm0nkey said:
Wasn't that Halo 3?
EDIT
Str8 Rippin vs Evil in a couple minutes.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Yeah, that 343 GS fight was in Halo 3, not Halo 1...
And I don't want boss fights in Halo. Even Scarabs are kind of crappy. A Scarab-size enemy, but with more range of movement and interesting dynamics would be okay, I guess.
And I don't want boss fights in Halo. Even Scarabs are kind of crappy. A Scarab-size enemy, but with more range of movement and interesting dynamics would be okay, I guess.
Rickenslacker
Banned
You weren't fighting him though, he was just there to babble as you blew up vents.wwm0nkey said:
I'm surprised they didn't try any new boss fights with Reach after Halo 3's Scarab battles. Taking down the Scarabs is the only FPS boss fights that I have ever enjoyed. You would think they would have created some new giant machines or something like that to destroy in Reach. That one fight against the giant monster wasn't that good since you couldn't climb it.
Rickenslacker
Banned
Agreed. It felt like you were actually in a part of a war. The only thing close to a boss fight was a gold Elite, you weren't in any typical FPS situation where you were just stuck in a room circle strafing a dude or going through some scripted BS. Warthog run at the end was one of the best ending segments to any FPS I've played. Fuck it, it was THE best. I can't bring anything to mind that beats it or even compares.Ramirez said:
Rickenslacker
Banned
Just roll with whatever they automatically give you. The autogenerated names end up pretty charming in their own way.Tunavi said:
Demoncarnotaur
Member
PsychoRaven said:Ah. I just love playing Halo 3. There is just something about the Brute Chopper that i just love. It's one of the few additions to the sandbox over the years that just felt right.
I miss it so much. It would be great to have in Reach's MP. The Rev isnt bad..its just not special. It would be super awesome if we could get a Brute chopper on some of the new maps, even if it wouldn't make sense.
=(
And yes, I know that is Halo Wars art.
Thagomizer
Member
The thing is, "traditional" bosses, such as Regret, 343, and *shudder* Tartarus don't really work in the Halo context because it breaks the rules of the universe.The Halo boss fights, particularly Regret and Tartarus have already been picked apart to death, so I'm not going to talk about them at length here.
The kind of boss fights that work well in Halo games are of the "bigass swarm of hard enemies," "dug in position," nontraditional encounters (more on that in a minute), or the Scarabs.
Let's talk about the Scarabs, shall we?
The Halo 2 scarab isn't really a boss fight, more like a boss encounter, but I like it. It doesn't feel like a traditional boss fight like Regret, but like you are actually chasing and being chased after an almost-unstoppable death machine. The only thing that ruined it is the total anticlimax of the thing trapping itself in a canal where it can't turn around (laaammmeee...) and skipping to cutscene after killing the pilots.
The Halo 3 Scarabs, however, are bosses, but unlike Regret or Tartarus, don't have that "boss" feel because they still fit within the logic of the game. They aren't immune to any weapon besides "punch them in the face" for no reason besides that's what the mission designer wanted, they don't have any flaming super-saiyan shields of doom that show up NOWHERE ELSE WHATSOEVER in the fiction that you have to wait for an ally to take down- and, oh, BTW, Tartarus doesn't follow any of the other damage models used in the games, so you can't headshot him and get it over with. They are big, mean, and can absorb damage like a sponge because they are a hundred feet tall and have armor that's as thick as you are tall. It makes sense for them to be like that. Even better, their core doesn't have to be killed a specific way and is inexplicably immune to every other weapon- put some fire on it, and you'll kill it.
Now, on Gravemind.
I think that Gravemind could have been a good boss, but not in a Metroid sense. I think that Gravemind's appearance at the end of the Covenant would have been an excellent "flee" type boss. As in, you have to RUN THE FUCK AWAY from the Gravemind tentacles before he squashes you. However, you can't just run for the exit- you have to be watching him, because he'll throw down arms in front of you, block your path, sweep at your knees, and cut you off. You have to constantly dodge to get away- and, for even more fun, you'll have to fight off the Flood as you go- not a whole swarm, mind, but just enough that they are a threat and you can't watch what Gravemind's doing with your complete attention. Meanwhile, he's taunting you the entire time in trochaic heptameter.
Instead, he rises up, gives one of the most badass boasts in video games, and... just leaves? Huh? What, did he suddenly remember he left the lasagna in the oven or something and had to run home right that instant?
The kind of boss fights that work well in Halo games are of the "bigass swarm of hard enemies," "dug in position," nontraditional encounters (more on that in a minute), or the Scarabs.
Let's talk about the Scarabs, shall we?
The Halo 2 scarab isn't really a boss fight, more like a boss encounter, but I like it. It doesn't feel like a traditional boss fight like Regret, but like you are actually chasing and being chased after an almost-unstoppable death machine. The only thing that ruined it is the total anticlimax of the thing trapping itself in a canal where it can't turn around (laaammmeee...) and skipping to cutscene after killing the pilots.
The Halo 3 Scarabs, however, are bosses, but unlike Regret or Tartarus, don't have that "boss" feel because they still fit within the logic of the game. They aren't immune to any weapon besides "punch them in the face" for no reason besides that's what the mission designer wanted, they don't have any flaming super-saiyan shields of doom that show up NOWHERE ELSE WHATSOEVER in the fiction that you have to wait for an ally to take down- and, oh, BTW, Tartarus doesn't follow any of the other damage models used in the games, so you can't headshot him and get it over with. They are big, mean, and can absorb damage like a sponge because they are a hundred feet tall and have armor that's as thick as you are tall. It makes sense for them to be like that. Even better, their core doesn't have to be killed a specific way and is inexplicably immune to every other weapon- put some fire on it, and you'll kill it.
Now, on Gravemind.
I think that Gravemind could have been a good boss, but not in a Metroid sense. I think that Gravemind's appearance at the end of the Covenant would have been an excellent "flee" type boss. As in, you have to RUN THE FUCK AWAY from the Gravemind tentacles before he squashes you. However, you can't just run for the exit- you have to be watching him, because he'll throw down arms in front of you, block your path, sweep at your knees, and cut you off. You have to constantly dodge to get away- and, for even more fun, you'll have to fight off the Flood as you go- not a whole swarm, mind, but just enough that they are a threat and you can't watch what Gravemind's doing with your complete attention. Meanwhile, he's taunting you the entire time in trochaic heptameter.
Instead, he rises up, gives one of the most badass boasts in video games, and... just leaves? Huh? What, did he suddenly remember he left the lasagna in the oven or something and had to run home right that instant?
Thagomizer
Member
wwm0nkey said:
Considering we have a good portion of the multiplayer maps set on Halos, it doesn't really matter.
And come to think of it, why wouldn't the Chopper make sense in Reach? We did fight Brutes, after all, and in their Halo 3 incarnations to boot.
RebornYeti
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That's how I got my gamertag. It was actually NewbornYeti, then I switched it to OMG it's a Yeti (lol). I wanted to switch it back, but it was "taken", so I came up with RebornYeti.Rickenslacker said:
Hitmonchan107
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Rich Bongrip.Letters said:
Demoncarnotaur
Member
wwm0nkey said:
Yeah thats what I mean. Also, as we have never seen new introductions like vehicles via DLC. Well, unless you count snow skinned hog and less crazy hornet. Also, it wouldn't make sense with CEA's maps...but still. Even if it were there for custom games..
Now say get a "forgeworld 2.0".. Then it would be a must o get the chopper. Still, unless Bungie had some work done for it I really assume it would be too much work.
Steelyuhas
Member
I don't see how linearly cross comparing missions from different games tells you anything. The different Halo games have their strong and weak points at different spots in the game, it doesn't help to directly compare "mission 6" of one game to "mission 6" of another.Dax01 said:
They all do because they are trying to win money for playing that game and it doesn't help MLG, and therefore players wallet's if they go off raging about bloom.Ramirez said:
Tunavi said:
Imascrub
Hitmonchan107
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RhythmOfTheNightTunavi said:
The Real McCoy
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Barrow Roll
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Twonavi.Tunavi said:
My god, how did none of you think of this already.
Barrow Roll
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2navi.Plywood said:
Beat that.
I see what you did there?Hitmonchan107 said:OonsOonsOonsOons
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Maybe not. Were you even lurking back then?
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