Hydranockz
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He has gone over to GOW. May he rest in - Lol he'll be fine.Homeboyd said:
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Halo: Reach |OT5| A Monument to All Our Sins
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bobs...onGaf
Member
Devolution said:
Yeah thats my problem with Reach. It really does seem like the people who are willing to abuse the cheap stuff are the guys that always win. I went out of my way to avoid things like Shotguns and Rockets in Halo 3 finding it more fun to straight BR people, but with Reach if I dont at the very least waste the power weapons out they are just going to dominate the gameplay like a warped game of Rock Paper Scissors.
Anyone up for playing Halo 3 or Reach at the moment?
Devolution
Member
Can I ask a stupid question? Whatever happened to just outshooting/outnading (with you know neutered ones anyway) people? Why all this fluff?
thezerofire read my post where I said sure. Carefully 
Homeboy stream is up and running in fantastic HD! When I play later I'll post a link to it. Warning though, I'm streaming at 4mb/s. JTV is in beta right now where you could change the resolution of streams and I'm going to shoot them an email and see if I can join in on the beta.
Deputy! I was banned before I got a chance to chat about my PC build. I just posted in the PC thread over in gaming if you wanna take a look. Parts and build pics included!
Damn, it feels good to be back.
Homeboy stream is up and running in fantastic HD! When I play later I'll post a link to it. Warning though, I'm streaming at 4mb/s. JTV is in beta right now where you could change the resolution of streams and I'm going to shoot them an email and see if I can join in on the beta.
Deputy! I was banned before I got a chance to chat about my PC build. I just posted in the PC thread over in gaming if you wanna take a look. Parts and build pics included!
Damn, it feels good to be back.
thezerofire
Banned
It's broken mechanics combatting other broken mechanicsbobs99 ... said:
hell if I know. maybe that's too hard for the CoD masses?Devolution said:
oh lol. well maybe sometime thenTashi0106 said:thezerofire read my post where I said sure. Carefully
Gabotron ES
Member
Tashi0106 said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
Devolution said:
From the vidoc's I got the vibe that Bungie felt that the BR gameplay wasnt varied enough. All the fluff is too promote more weapon usage. Wrong approach in my opinion. Variety comes from the gameplay, not weapon skins. There was more variety in BR battles than people gave them credit for.
So anyone can kill anyone. It's not fun if you're not winning, and if you're not winning you aren't good. Now anyone can win, because they fill the game with fluff and as a result anyone can have fun.Devolution said:
It's backwards logic, but I'm under the impression that is how some devs think. Not to bash on Black Ops, but that game is one of the worst with it.
thezerofire
Banned
why move further away from Halo CE instead of closer to it then? I used all the weapons in their proper situation in that gamebobs99 ... said:
bobs...onGaf
Member
Karl2177 said:
Wrong. Modern Warfare 2 was one of the worsts with it. That game had shotguns that could kill from halfway across the map. Noob Tube spammers who could mortar the map and People with personal Radars who could camp in corners. Pure stupidity.
Black Ops is actually on the other end of the scale. Gotta say though that im wary the next CoD will be back to MW2 levels of stupidity.
Zeouterlimits
Member
Would you approve the removal of the BR/DMR?thezerofire said:
Obviously there's also a pressure to "advance" the MP each time too, the public (at least think they) want the next thing, not just a graphical switch and some maps.
Devs don't necessary want to make the same thing again either, challenging themselves to add a new system to the MP and be able to balance it. I had another point to make here but it has escaped me, trying to do too many things at once.
The Antitype
Banned
Are you a very recently approved member of neogaf?
No.
What country are you posting from and what's your current age.
Canada, 26
At what age did you get into Halo and with which game.
16, Combat Evolved
For how long have you been reading HaloGAF?
Since the Halo 3 reveal trailer at E3 2006.
What's your absolute favorite Halo campaign? And your favorite multiplayer? (you're not allowed to pick Halo: Combat Evolved for any of the two)
Halo: Reach and Halo: Reach
Highest Halo 3 level and which playlist.
45 in Team Slayer, Team Objective (when it existed)
AR or BR?
BR
Absolute favorite multiplayer map from Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and 3 (just one from each).
Combat Evolved: Hang Em High
Halo 2: Zanzibar
Halo 3: Valhalla
Least hated Reach mp map.
Powerhouse, but I like almost all the DLC maps.
Do you prefer BTB or MLG? (pre-Reach era)
BTB
Competitive multiplayer or Firefight?
Competitive
Games completed on solo Legendary.
All of them
Are you EazyB? Mike DongBlain?
Nope.
What are some of your favorite Campaign missions.
Silent Cartographer, Assault on the Control Room, Two Betrayals, Delta Halo, The Ark, The Covenant, Long Night of Solace
Favorite Reach playlists.
Team Slayer, Team Objective, BTB, Invasion, Premium, Flagstravaganza
Size of frankie erotica folder (in megabytes).
0
Opinion on reticule bloom.
Take it or leave it, but they haven't found a better way to balance the sandbox yet.
Opinion on Armor Abilities and the one you usually end up picking.
Love'em and it depends on the game-type and how the other team is playing. Usually start with sprint though...
Why are you a Halo fan?
The core shoot/grenade/melee combat has yet to be matched as far as depth, fun and satisfaction. The dynamic AI makes playing the single-player almost as much fun as multiplayer.
Now feel free to introduce yourself and/or share anything you want so we get to know you better, some of us would enjoy reading it. (optional)
Name's Sascha, been playing games since I was 4 years old. My parents still [jokingly] consider bringing an NES into the house one of the biggest parenting mistakes of their lives, but I turned out just fine.
I play all types of games, not just shooters or Halo. I started up a fansite with some buddies in college, got big enough to go to every E3 from 2005 to 2010 (yes, even the 'restricted' ones in 2007 and 2008), before getting into the gaming industry on the marketing side. Worked for EA for awhile, now I do market research which pays almost double.
In short: Gamer. Marketer. Mammal.
No.
What country are you posting from and what's your current age.
Canada, 26
At what age did you get into Halo and with which game.
16, Combat Evolved
For how long have you been reading HaloGAF?
Since the Halo 3 reveal trailer at E3 2006.
What's your absolute favorite Halo campaign? And your favorite multiplayer? (you're not allowed to pick Halo: Combat Evolved for any of the two)
Halo: Reach and Halo: Reach
Highest Halo 3 level and which playlist.
45 in Team Slayer, Team Objective (when it existed)
AR or BR?
BR
Absolute favorite multiplayer map from Combat Evolved, Halo 2 and 3 (just one from each).
Combat Evolved: Hang Em High
Halo 2: Zanzibar
Halo 3: Valhalla
Least hated Reach mp map.
Powerhouse, but I like almost all the DLC maps.
Do you prefer BTB or MLG? (pre-Reach era)
BTB
Competitive multiplayer or Firefight?
Competitive
Games completed on solo Legendary.
All of them
Are you EazyB? Mike DongBlain?
Nope.
What are some of your favorite Campaign missions.
Silent Cartographer, Assault on the Control Room, Two Betrayals, Delta Halo, The Ark, The Covenant, Long Night of Solace
Favorite Reach playlists.
Team Slayer, Team Objective, BTB, Invasion, Premium, Flagstravaganza
Size of frankie erotica folder (in megabytes).
0
Opinion on reticule bloom.
Take it or leave it, but they haven't found a better way to balance the sandbox yet.
Opinion on Armor Abilities and the one you usually end up picking.
Love'em and it depends on the game-type and how the other team is playing. Usually start with sprint though...
Why are you a Halo fan?
The core shoot/grenade/melee combat has yet to be matched as far as depth, fun and satisfaction. The dynamic AI makes playing the single-player almost as much fun as multiplayer.
Now feel free to introduce yourself and/or share anything you want so we get to know you better, some of us would enjoy reading it. (optional)
Name's Sascha, been playing games since I was 4 years old. My parents still [jokingly] consider bringing an NES into the house one of the biggest parenting mistakes of their lives, but I turned out just fine.
I play all types of games, not just shooters or Halo. I started up a fansite with some buddies in college, got big enough to go to every E3 from 2005 to 2010 (yes, even the 'restricted' ones in 2007 and 2008), before getting into the gaming industry on the marketing side. Worked for EA for awhile, now I do market research which pays almost double.
In short: Gamer. Marketer. Mammal.
thezerofire
Banned
If they made the pistol actually usable then sureZeouterlimits said:
Mind if I take a look? That's pretty awesome.The Antitype said:I started up a fansite with some buddies in college, got big enough to go to every E3 from 2005 to 2010 (yes, even the 'restricted' ones in 2007 and 2008), before getting into the gaming industry on the marketing side. Worked for EA for awhile, now I do market research which pays almost double.
In short: Gamer. Marketer. Mammal.
Oh I almost forgot!!! This is super important. For MLG Orlando my team "Campus Safety" wants to get shirts made. However, we want a new design.
I love this design but let's upgrade for T-shirts. These are where we want them from. http://kiaeneto.com/product_info.php?products_id=195 Shirt specs in the link
What we need:
A cool Campus Safety log for our team. Our team name is "Campus Safety"
When we need it:
Hmmm how about we make the dead line in 2 weeks from now. August 23rd
Why you should do it:
Because if my team chooses your shirt design, I'll give you 20$ gifted through Paypal. Cool right?
Feel free to post designs here, to get others' opinions. Please PM me when your final design is ready. We can exchange emails and files that way.
Thanks guys! <3
I love this design but let's upgrade for T-shirts. These are where we want them from. http://kiaeneto.com/product_info.php?products_id=195 Shirt specs in the link
What we need:
A cool Campus Safety log for our team. Our team name is "Campus Safety"
When we need it:
Hmmm how about we make the dead line in 2 weeks from now. August 23rd
Why you should do it:
Because if my team chooses your shirt design, I'll give you 20$ gifted through Paypal. Cool right?
Feel free to post designs here, to get others' opinions. Please PM me when your final design is ready. We can exchange emails and files that way.
Thanks guys! <3
I thought you were going to Raleigh Tashi? I'm going to both
Devolution
Member
Tashi0106 said:
MLG is just too serious for me. I'm fucked, I don't want to play like some pro and I don't want to play this campy shit.
Tha Robbertster
Member
I think I've never really used any plasma weapons in campaign when it wasn't necessary.thezerofire said:
Halo CE was pistol+shotgun/AR/snipe?rockets and for all the other games, you can replace the pistol with BR/Carbine/DMR. Plasma just never really felt effective to me (and I think the noob combo is, ehh, nooby
)Something 343 has to do in Halo 4, is making the weapons of your enemies interesting to use. I've never felt compelled to pick up a spiker/plasma repeater/concussion rifle after my 1th playtrough while those were the main weapons of your enemies in Halo 3 and Reach. The reason for that is that there is a better version available, the human counterpart.
Drop the whole, for every human weapon, there has to be a covenant (or new enemy in 4) counterpart. Make some unqiue weapons. A good example for this is the plasma pistol and the focus rifle. Their human equivalent don't come close to their gameplay. And that's how it should be in my opinion, make the alien weapons feel really alien.
The last part was a bit OT, but I had to throw it out.
Devolution
Member
senador said:
Twice this shit. It's not even chaotic fun, it's like "figure out which area they are spawning in, fire in that direction, done."
i nerini del buio
Member
premium battle is good enoughDevolution said:
not halo2-3 good, but there's not much garbage in it at least
still, it's mind boggling how plenty of times you get to play on hemoshit and bonegarbage but there's no countdown (which would be big enough for 6v6 matches).
will we ever get rid of hemorrage, paradiso/utopie, cage/uncaged, boneyard, spire, renegade and god knows how many other shitty maps in matchmaking? I mean, seriously, make almost all of the playlists dlc required and kill the retail maps with fire because other than countdown, zealot and boardwalk (still 2 shottys, 2 snipers, rockets every 30secs and plasma launcher uh? does it really take 1 whole year to fix the weapon placement?) they suck really, really hard
this! I agree so much! no point in having covnant counterparts.
basically other than plasma pistol and stickies, there's no useful covy weapon -.- oh well, even the plasma pistol is now useless if there's a thumper nearby
edit. my apologies for being impolite. reach can be really annoying sometimes.
Devolution
Member
If people get on tell me. Senador and I had to resort to actioncrap and eventually stopped for a while.
thezerofire
Banned
I'm on, need people to play with
ncsuDuncan
Member
Boom. Done.Tashi0106 said:Oh I almost forgot!!! This is super important. For MLG Orlando my team "Campus Safety" wants to get shirts made. However, we want a new design.
I'll PM you my PayPal account name.
Hydranockz
Member
It's about time I posted my face round these parts.
My usual self at my favourite Japanese restaurant.
My godlike image captured on camera.
And as a bonus, I couldn't let Hitmonchan stand by the the sea on his own.
Bonus!
My usual self at my favourite Japanese restaurant.
My godlike image captured on camera.
And as a bonus, I couldn't let Hitmonchan stand by the the sea on his own.
Bonus!
The Antitype
Banned
Homeboyd said:
You could if it was still around. My buddies sold it to Gamezone 5 or 6 months after I left for EA. I'll PM you my full name and you can run a google search, some of the articles might still be cached.
i nerini del buio
Member
Hydranockz said:
the one by the sea
The Antitype
Banned
Devolution said:
I don't consider armor abilities fluff. They add tactical wrinkles to the combat, and battles develop or evolve differently depending on which ones are used and how well players are able to counter them.
Saying 'what's with all this fluff' is like asking why people ever bothered to mod Quake into Team Fortress. Because they wanted to expand on the strong core of the game with new ideas and experiences.
Tashi0106 said:
They were definitely deleted, I got my original "FyreWulff" tag back. They're definitely deleted in waves though. Might have to wait longer for whenever it was used last.
I had to try for quite a while to get it back, it said it was already in use, then bam, one day it was finally available.
Devolution
Member
The Antitype said:
AAs as they are currently implemented are total fluff that add too much randomness and just plain break a bunch of maps, since most maps were made without any particular ability in mind. It would be one thing if the maps were designed around AAs but they aren't. Thus instead of actually being able to account for the AA and what it can do, you're left with a lot of guess work. That's what breaks it to me. If they were timed pickups or worked with the flow of a map instead of breaking a map, that would be a whole other story.
bobs...onGaf
Member
The Antitype said:
I know your post wasnt directly in response to me, buuut:
I dont see AA's in the same way you see them. In my opinion they aren't subtle tactical wrinkles which make the gameplay more dynamic. They are the equivalent of using sledgehammers. They always play out in the same way and are basically brute force ways of changing the game. I have yet to really see the AA's be used in more interesting dynamic ways. (other than maybe Hologram and Jetpack, the least used AA's, even they seem to have limitations in what kind of scenarios they create).
Adding new stuff is good, but I think a lot of the stuff added in Reach is fluff, its not really good enough to push the core gameplay forward in itself.
Devolution said:
I kind of see them in the opposite way, they are very stiff and always play out pretty much the same, however I do hate how randomly a player can use them. Unlimited gamechangers on a short timer are going to affect the gameplay, but not because those gamechanges are dynamic, just because they are on tap so often.
Captain Blood
Member
All this back and forth about griefing reminded me of the Original Kings of Griefing....
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9334813&postcount=33957
LOL, I am loving all this Halo 3 thread reliving.
Cocop and Voc!
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=9334813&postcount=33957
LOL, I am loving all this Halo 3 thread reliving.
Devolution
Member
bobs99 ... said:
Depends on what we're talking about. I mean people shouldn't have to account for some jackass taking the jetpack to a high corner or spot normally unreachable.
I agree that some of it is predictable but frustrating regardless, like sword plus dash or evade.
K
kittens
Unconfirmed Member
Haha, that's awesome.Hydranockz said:
I'm getting on now if anyone wants to shoot at people with me. GT = popular revolt.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Devolution said:
Yeah I didn't mean to make out they aren't frustrating. The gameplay might be predictable once you know what AA someone has, but a lot of the time im going in blind and once I see a certain AA I know the gameplay is only going to go in one direction, but all the same I dont know what AA someone is going to use and when. Thats the random factor and it sucks.
Haha cant stop laughing:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=9226922&highlight=victory#post9226922
Technically Coco is a bit of a prat for doing it, but at least he wasnt just whoring kills, he was literally in his own words creating peices of art with his entire team parading in a line and what not. Amazing.
The Antitype
Banned
Devolution said:
I don't see the armor abilities breaking map control as a particularly damaging thing. It just forces players and teams to take new attack strategies into account and react on the fly.
Whereas locking down a specific section of a map may have worked in previous Halo's now, players have the ability to circumvent choke-points with the jetpack, try to sneak past and attack from behind with the cloak, flank to the power weapons with a sprint, or charge in, disrupt the team, and then use armor lock to wait for back-up.
At the end of the day, the winner of the battle still comes down to who lands more shots first. The AAs just give players to ways to enter, exit, and change the momentum of the exchanges. I don't have a problem with that.
However, I DO wish Bungie had made it more obvious which AAs players were using, so it was less of a surprise. Honestly, I don't have much of a problem with it, cause the people I play with call out AAs the same way they do locations and weapons, so I usually have an idea of what's coming.
bobs99 ... said:
Alright, but how is that any different than the weapons in the game. A battle between a player using the shotgun and another player using the DMR/BR will always play out the same way, generally. The shotgun will try to close the distance (using grenades, the environment, what have you), while the DMR/BR tries to pick him off and maintain safe distance.
Likewise the AAs. A Jetpack user will always attempt to seek the high-ground for an advantage in the fight. Where that fight is on the map, alters what the highground is, how long he'll be in the air, etc... and the weapons that he and the players shooting at him have will have an impact on how his journey upwards goes. Likewise, the players on the ground have their own AAs that they can respond with - they can fly up with a jetpack of their own, cloak and try to get out of the combat area before he lands and gets a handle of the area beneath him, sprint, etc.
All these factors lead to encounters playing out differently. Yes, in general, everybody uses the same strategies for the same AAs, but those strategies develop into different scenarios depending on how they mix with the other factors at play.
Anyway, I like AAs. I enjoy playing with them.
Devin Olsen
Member
Good to have you back Tashi.
Can we all start making proper plans for a GAF/PAX get together? I was thinking a breakfast again, and maybe meet up after pax one of the nights and go out for dinner/drinks?
Ideas?
Can we all start making proper plans for a GAF/PAX get together? I was thinking a breakfast again, and maybe meet up after pax one of the nights and go out for dinner/drinks?
Ideas?