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Halo: Reach |OT7| What are They to Say Now?
- Thread starter The Librarian
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I generally like it, though there are some times that it makes running the flag a pain in the ass on some of the maps with less cover. I mostly mentioned it because folks like Fyrewulff have been pretty vocally against it, which I think is valid, even though I don't share the sentiment.
Barrow Roll
Member
You planning to stream?
bobs...onGaf
Member
Just played like 10 games of Halo 3 and it seemed like it had less afk'ers/ quitters than Reach lol. Halo 3 is still pretty awesome btw. Just putting that out there.
Mlg playlist any good? I give up on it tonight, waaay too late.
xxjuicesxx
Member
OK so heres my new idea for quitting in the next Halo. Don't allow quitting, just leave the option out of the game.
If someone dashboards keep a copy of that player in the game, so he'll get deaths still and can't "protect" his k/d.
This also prevents that scenario where that ONE FUCKING KID won't leave and the game goes til the end because you can't hit 50 hunting down one guy all game.
If at all possible, give that quit/clone minor AI based on rank. Which would also be an addition to the teams who get quitters, meaning the game won't turn so one-sided, but will still be at a disadvantage since those 'bots' won't be walshy or nothing.
If someone dashboards keep a copy of that player in the game, so he'll get deaths still and can't "protect" his k/d.
This also prevents that scenario where that ONE FUCKING KID won't leave and the game goes til the end because you can't hit 50 hunting down one guy all game.
If at all possible, give that quit/clone minor AI based on rank. Which would also be an addition to the teams who get quitters, meaning the game won't turn so one-sided, but will still be at a disadvantage since those 'bots' won't be walshy or nothing.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Better solution. Keep quit in, but the next game you have a pink tutu on your character so everyone knows what a big fat quitter baby you are.
We are not doing this but it's important to realize that's not what Bungie did either. They created MP spaces as specific areas, then grafted those into campaign, as Ivory Tower demonstrates. I actually like a lot of the asymmetrical spaces that created, like Powerhouse and I actually don't think it's a bad idea on paper.
Just as much effort went into the design of those spaces as 'bespoke' map designs.
Omg I would quit incessantly for this.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I got the idea from Splosion Man. If you die 7 times in one level before the next checkpoint, you get the option to skip it, but you get an embarrassing song and have to wear a tutu like a guuuuuuurl
One of these is not like the other.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=867071822&player=TJ Ram
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=867071822&player=TJ Ram
ViewtifulJC
Banned
Ooh, ooh, is it the Warrant Officer!?
Gabotron ES
Member
Good games everyone, glad I got my account back. I still don't know why it was suspended, weird :/ and thanks to David for looking into it.
Also, New Alexandria is such a beautiful and fun to play level.
Also, New Alexandria is such a beautiful and fun to play level.
Trueskill
Have you tried jetpacking along the pipelines to get to different buildings? good times.
The Real Napsta
Member
TU ZB Beta is awesome.
It needs 110% speed and jump bad though.
It needs 110% speed and jump bad though.
Gabotron ES
Member
Gotta try that, it's awesome how many ways you can approach combat and do basically whatever you want. I spent 15 minutes hunting phantoms, really sweet.
Playing the Campaign Co-op playlist, I discovered that if you are outside of the hospital, you can hear the combat going on inside, and follow it along the bridge section to the jammer. Pretty neat.
Steelyuhas
Member
Interesting to see how significant of an impact playlist ordering has on the population. Squad used to always have significantly more population than Classic and now Classic is at the top of the list and the population is 1600 to 900 in favor of classic.
After this one, I think my luck has run out for the night.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=867087592&player=TJ Ram
MLG is definitely the best playlist now. Although I find it pretty funny that you can Evade from one end of the map to the other in like 2 seconds on The Pit though, heh.
http://www.bungie.net/Stats/Reach/GameStats.aspx?gameid=867087592&player=TJ Ram
MLG is definitely the best playlist now. Although I find it pretty funny that you can Evade from one end of the map to the other in like 2 seconds on The Pit though, heh.
That or the one with a 0.72 career K/D.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Thank the heavens.
Regardless of how the MP to SP (or vice versa) implementation happened, it's just redudant from a unique standpoint because you don't want to view the same environments/playspaces across all the gametypes. You always want to see something fresh and new.
It goes hand in hand with many Forge World arguements in Reach; you can mess with the geometry all you want, but if you're using the same blue and grey palette over and over again, you're not really creating ANYTHING new. And the playspace will get stale, fast.
lol yea it's pretty super powered when no one else has sprint.
Forever morons.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
"Forge" maps like Sandbox and even Forge World (although I think they overstretch with its scale) do perfectly compliment the traditional Halo maps. Forge has enabled the Halo community to interact with the game like no other. From sculpting and art to race tracks, and some impressive and solid maps.
The problem lies with using Forge maps as a crutch like Reach did. Building traditional maps into Forge World was a mistake. Not only did players complain that these Forge variants were "real" maps (even though Forge World's geometry was built to specifically accommodate them) but it allowed folks to see Reach overall map count was low - and combined with maps like Spire and Boneyard (spaces already visited in campaign) and people's overall low opinion of Reach's map quality (I'd argue that Reach as the worst original maps of any Halo game to date) and you have you have.
I'm happy that Forge has been confirmed for Halo 4 - I just hope that the traditional map count number doesn't suffer and that community Forge variants aren't used to bolster the shipping map count.
Forge is a powerful tool for both the community and for the developers but I also believe the developers still need to learn to use it appropriately.
It depends on how advanced this "new Forge" is for me to form an opinion about whether or not I'll be bothered by another round of "Forge" maps being added to the rotation day one.
If its a serious map maker and they could advertise "we understand you guys want studio built maps, which we've offered a ton of
, but we challenge you to determine which were built using our dev tools and which were built using our newly designed and advanced Forge..." I'd be ok.
Yeah, I know this wont happen anytime soon... but I'm going to expect it anyways and you better not let me down 343.
#reasonablethoughoftheday
If its a serious map maker and they could advertise "we understand you guys want studio built maps, which we've offered a ton of
, but we challenge you to determine which were built using our dev tools and which were built using our newly designed and advanced Forge..." I'd be ok.Yeah, I know this wont happen anytime soon... but I'm going to expect it anyways and you better not let me down 343.
#reasonablethoughoftheday
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
It's not about shitty anime art. The amount of unique community created content across Halo 3 and Reach has to be massive. I'm sure beyond doubt more folks have dabbled in Forge than have ever heard of MLG.
Forge isn't for everyone, but it's an integral part of the Halo package at this point.
Also, I'm sure you'd like Forge not to interrupt your multiplayer fun times as much in Halo 4 than with Reach.
Steelyuhas
Member
Just played a game of ZB Slayer playlist, and after playing nothing but anniversary gametypes the past month, two things are painfully evident right away.
-100 speed is awful
-grenades on 100 speed are flat broken
-100 speed is awful
-grenades on 100 speed are flat broken
I'll take a real map editor over Forge though, Forge has produced nothing that I can't live without.
Gabotron ES
Member
Exactly, we need a real map editor. Reach's forge was 3's natural evolution and it was exactly what I expected it to be.
Halo 4 is other story, we need to make our own maps, make them look unique and stylish. It needs to have terrain editing, let us change the daytime... say I want to make a snowy Sandtrap or a desserted Avalanche.
Far Cry 2 is a three years old game and it already achieved all of this and if I remember correctly Frankie said they had top men working on it so I'm confident they'll get it right.
Halo 4 is other story, we need to make our own maps, make them look unique and stylish. It needs to have terrain editing, let us change the daytime... say I want to make a snowy Sandtrap or a desserted Avalanche.
Far Cry 2 is a three years old game and it already achieved all of this and if I remember correctly Frankie said they had top men working on it so I'm confident they'll get it right.
HiredN00bs
Member
Haven't seen any DLC tonight in Team Slayer. If only we had a list where DLC was guaranteed.
Forge is great, but I don't want it in matchmaking. I've a plenty of great times on forged maps in customs.
However, for competitive play, a single community playlist (basically a confined prison for forge maps) would be great as long as it doesn't touch other playlists. Would be enough to mix up the map selection but not infect other playlists
Forge is great for MLG as well because their quality standards are much higher.
But man, not only is uncaged ugly and not fun, its in so many playlists
However, for competitive play, a single community playlist (basically a confined prison for forge maps) would be great as long as it doesn't touch other playlists. Would be enough to mix up the map selection but not infect other playlists
Forge is great for MLG as well because their quality standards are much higher.
But man, not only is uncaged ugly and not fun, its in so many playlists
Pffft. Tashi and the rest of MLG can't imagine a world that isn't gray.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
So would anyone. A proper geometry, terrain and texture editor... yeah, would be sweet. No more grey.
Steelyuhas
Member
Yeah not playing Anniversary playlists right now to see this new and improved DLC weighting. Three games, no DLC so far.
Reagan's BR
Banned
I still like my idea better. Make every playlist DLC required and then make one playlist that is stock maps only.
Not me. I'll take a Forge World over what you're describing any day. Seriously, it's three maps in one. Doesn't get much more awesome than that.
This would literally kill every other playlist in Reach.
I call it... Team Training
Reagan's BR
Banned
Maybe. But if Halo 4
is good
Yep. Boneyard was brought in as an Invasion map because a location was cut (and the map that went with it).
Every company has a limited amount of work time and people on a game. Unless you have a 5 billion dollar budget, 24 hour rotated shift work on the game and can make the game inside of slipspace so that you have a 20 year development cycle but only appears as a 2 year cycle to the rest of the world, an HD game puts more strain on the same amount of of people than previous generation games. Gamers won't let developers get away with an ugly map even if it plays great. If you may notice, the Forge World pieces of the previous maps in most cases are the literal geometry from Halo 2, and even at that they have more detail from the added Forerunner dressing put on them than the Halo 2 version. This is just the reality of making a game for the Xbox 360 or the PS3.
Bungie has become more accepting of cutting content before it drags the rest of the project down so that they don't get a repeat of the Halo 2 nightmare, where the refusal to cut content out early in the process dragged the rest of the game down. Even if the maps were completely separate spaces, they would have probably had a near amount same of cuts from their new "cut first, ask questions later" mantra that they constantly talked about while making ODST. They even mentioned at PAX09 that the Mythic maps used to be intended as ODST campaign spaces, so it's not like an idea they suddenly floated for Reach. If Bungie had made Halo 3 today they would have more than likely cut Construct and Guardian from the Halo 3 lineup.
It's not even a new video game idea. A lot of the maps from Goldeneye, including the most popular one Facility, were campaign spaces. In that case, they were campaign spaces first, and multiplayer spaces later.
In my opinion, the fact that a map had to be good enough to survive being cut saved us from shit maps like Isolation and 3DSMaxstruct in the final game. I like some maps more than others but in Reach, I vote for the gametype, not against any developer map. In Halo 3 I spent a lot of my time vetoing away the map even if I liked the gametype. If I had to pick a least favorite it'd be Sword Base, and that's more than likely because I hated Boarding Action.
Don't understand why Big Team Battle just didn't become DLC required. It's traditionally been the all-DLC playlist. DLC requirements would add a steady supply of Tempest, Breakpoint, Highlands, Condemned, Ridgeline, Headlong, and High Noon to the rotation. Penance if you really want to push things.
Steelyuhas
Member
That is an awful idea. You should never require players to buy more game just to play it.
Halo 4 NEEDS to have a matchmaking algorithm that matches you up against players with the same DLC as you, so it doesn't matter for Halo 4.
Wait, correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but are you agreeing with Hyper that the maps were created as campaign spaces first? Because that it not true.
DLC Required: Team Slayer, BTB, Team Objective, SWAT, Snipers, MLG, Grifball, Doubles, Multi-team etc
Playlists without DLC: Living Dead
A whole THREE games?! Sound the alarms!