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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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Slightly Live
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I wonder if it costs Credits every time you change armour pieces? It would really make you stop and think long and hard before giving up your virtual moolah.
Shake Appeal
Member
No, I agree, it's the best balance for everyone. All I was saying is that for many players, MW2 is still going to be king because it does grinding and "levelling" to the nth degree, whereas it appears Bungie aren't willing to do that because of the ways it would compromise the actual gameplay.Dani said:
Which is, you know, a good thing for those of us who already love that gameplay.
Captain Blood
Member
I would imagine there would be a lot of crying kids if they just bought a new helmet but didn't have the credits to wear it lol.Dani said:
GhaleonEB said:
I am going to need you to never refer to it as "dress up" again
Heh. Unlock the helmet, then the accessories for it in stages. I'm not huge on customization - it's neat, and I'll do it, but it won't be a motivator for me - but it's pretty cool that there are layers of add-ons. My daughter is going to have a hoot playing dress up with hers.Schmitty said:I'm digging how the helmets have a base look, and then more attributes can be added as you gain cR.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Schmitty said:
"I have a flaslight on my head. I'm an MLG Pro."
BladedExpert
Member
:lol :lolGhaleonEB said:
backflip10019
Member
Why does the flashlight cost so much!? :lolSchmitty said:I'm digging how the helmets have a base look, and then more attributes can be added as you gain cR.
Shake Appeal
Member
I was gonna say earlier, I'm impressed by how Bungie have gone from the ugly green Motocross helmet of Halo:CE to the pretty cool-looking and varied Spartans we see today.Spasm said:
But I guess you can't please everyone. :lol
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
backflip10019 said:
Might be cool if headgear and other armour types have two or three additions, each with an increasing cost.
So say
ODST Chestplate 1000cR
ODST Chestplate Grenade Strip 7000cR
ODST Chestplate Nipple Lights 15000cR
Awesome stuff. I'd be concerned about how the challenges and commendations would affect regular play but I trust Luke would think this through. Hopefully bungie put a lot of hooks into the campaign so the campaign challenges could be varied and wacky. Imagine a new Annual-like challenge (one of the funnest achievements I've ever gotten) every week! If you could select a challenge before jumping into campaign and that selection modifying the parameters to complete the challenge (can only use this weapon, no shooting, all grunts are flight elites, etc) would really give the campaign more replay value. The only problem I see is that if the challenges are limited to daily or weekly goals then you wouldn't have a huge list of completed challenges to show off and you could miss out on the really good challenges. That's why I think they should include such a list of pre-baked challenges at launch, I don't even care if they have cR rewards, it's just that I loved the little challenges in Goldeneye and going through to attempt all of them made me play the shit out of that old mother fucker.
I also hope there's enough content out there for people to feel like there's still stuff to unlock 400 hours or 5k games into their account. Seeing as they're relying wholly on this cosmetic (thank god) feature they'll probably dump a whole lot of resources into fleshing it out. Hopefully they'll leave hooks for more permutations that could be bundled in with the DLC maps. Having up to three different components to things like the helmet and chest is really awesome and I didn't expect the customization to be so detailed. As far as elites are concerned, I only ask that I be able to throw on that stone-faced killing flight helmet onto the elite model if I have to use elites in invasion. I mean there's gotta be jetpack elites in the campaign for jetpack vs. jetpack action, so not having flight in there would be breaking cannon.
I remember Brian mentioning in podcast that "players still don't know how to acquire loadouts" and I thought that might be revealed today. If Bungie's sticking to their even playing-field philosophy I'd think everyone would start out with all of them but I don't know why Brian would bring any attention to it at that point.
Finally, that MTV article is such a joke. Classic case of I like X so Y should be more like X. One thing I do agree with though, players should have a limited choice in starting weapons.
I also hope there's enough content out there for people to feel like there's still stuff to unlock 400 hours or 5k games into their account. Seeing as they're relying wholly on this cosmetic (thank god) feature they'll probably dump a whole lot of resources into fleshing it out. Hopefully they'll leave hooks for more permutations that could be bundled in with the DLC maps. Having up to three different components to things like the helmet and chest is really awesome and I didn't expect the customization to be so detailed. As far as elites are concerned, I only ask that I be able to throw on that stone-faced killing flight helmet onto the elite model if I have to use elites in invasion. I mean there's gotta be jetpack elites in the campaign for jetpack vs. jetpack action, so not having flight in there would be breaking cannon.
I remember Brian mentioning in podcast that "players still don't know how to acquire loadouts" and I thought that might be revealed today. If Bungie's sticking to their even playing-field philosophy I'd think everyone would start out with all of them but I don't know why Brian would bring any attention to it at that point.
Finally, that MTV article is such a joke. Classic case of I like X so Y should be more like X. One thing I do agree with though, players should have a limited choice in starting weapons.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
RSTEIN said:
No chance of any such confirmation of something like that this side of E3.
Spasm said:
Same, probably because it looks the least customized/part of a set. I'm going to love all of the options, but I'd go crazy if I didn't have a symmetrical Spartan.
For the whole thing about your character being in Campaign, is that going to be a option to toggle in the menus? I'm being a traditionalist here, but I'd rather play Campaign as Noble Six in his regular armor, and multiplayer in my own.
I also am digging the Challenges system. Hopefully they're not superhard/undoable for me. Nice to see that Luke and the rest of Bungie is keeping that in mind, and making the entire cR system really fair.
I just hope we'll see Security Armor in Reach. Though, I'd probably be one of the most expensive ones. You know, if it's in. It's in, isn't it? Right? RIGHT?!
fake edit: dangit, vh
Ew. Can't say I like them very much, at least without accessories. Default is my favorite new helmet so far (it also looks cooler with the forehead guard thing from campaign shots.Domino Theory said:I'm SO glad to know there are different helmet permutations. This whole time I thought everyone could ONLY use the Noble 6 helmet while customizing it. I was wrong:
http://g4tv.com/images/3278/Screenshots---Halo-Reach-Customization/56480/
Fuck YES.
I'm hoping for some funny EVA variants.
And what's up with the faces on foreheads? That's one happy CQC helmet.
Well I assume you mean armor customization when you say "this stuff" and it stretches across both MP and SP. Also, the campaign and MP maps are shared between both SP and MP so its probably safe to assume SP and MP are on the same disc. Not sure how else they'd separate the game into two disc unless of course you're talking about the bonus CE remake in the Reach engine.RSTEIN said:
Shake Appeal
Member
Unlikely, I'd say. Games usually get pushed to two discs if they have a fuckton of a) prerendered cinematics (e.g. FFXIII) or b) audio files (e.g. Mass Effect 2, because of the amount of dialogue).RSTEIN said:
ODST was on two discs for practical reasons, not space concerns.
The Librarian
Banned
Another fine addition. I really like how, if you purchase a helmet, you're not done with it: you can customize it even further.Schmitty said:I'm digging how the helmets have a base look, and then more attributes can be added as you gain cR.
electricpirate
Member
I won't be satisfied unless there are marijuana themed pauldrons.
I'm not serious, hate that shit in COD
Shake Appeal
Member
I don't like the idea that the upgrades for appear to be linear. In that helmet shot, I'd like the choice to buy the 20,000cR HESA-E without first having to get the 5,000 CNM, for instance.
Oh god. I hadn't thought of that.EazyB said:
I'm interested to see how the Achievements are distinguished from Challenges. They could go a couple different directions with Challenges in place, the first of which is to use them to be that "list of pre-baked challenges" at launch. I hope they're not relegated to "Beat the second campaign mission" and "turn on the flashlight". My real hope is that Challenges free up the achievements to be some of the longer-term rewards, perhaps even build off of the Challenge system. I can some of them tied together, "complete all the daily challenges on any given day", filling bars to fill more bars.EazyB said:
Challenges are what I wish Halo 3's achievements were.
I don't think they're linear, just listed from least expensive to the most. (Though you'd need the base helmet to buy the other items.)Shake Appeal said:
I really don't think all of Halo 3's MP maps + DLC and ODST's campaign could've fit on one disc, but yes there were additional reasons why that didn't happen.Shake Appeal said:
I had hoped that Reach's MP would be so big, filled with so many maps, armor pieces, and map editing assets that they'd have to put it on two separate discs, but due to the things I mention in the post above that's no longer a possibility. Hopefully we'll still get a shit ton of maps because they're a shared space and time resource with the campaign but we'll see.
Yeah, as long as there's a way to browse/show all of the challenges you've complete I could care less about achievements. If once you complete the challenge they throw you the credits and that's it I'd be disappointed. But considering how good Bungie is about tracking stuff on Bnet I'd figure they'd track the challenges as well.GhaleonEB said:
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
Something I want to know is if we'll see "+55 cR" on-screen while we play for every kill or objective score just like we see "+100" in MW2.
backflip10019
Member
You know what, I actually enjoy seeing that in MW2. I feel so good about myself when I see all those pretty numbers pop up.Domino Theory said:
The Librarian
Banned
Yeah. Introduction challenges frees up achievements and hopefully that'll lead to Bungie being more creative with Reach's achievements than either Halo 3 or ODST. Fun, wacky achievements are always welcomed.GhaleonEB said:
CadetMahoney
Member
chestplate nipple lights ftmw
Shake Appeal
Member
Hopefully. I'm only basing this on the fact that the third upgrade's picture has the second upgrade already included in it.GhaleonEB said:
I have mixed feelings about this. On the one hand, it's incredibly satisfying, and it's the real secret of Modern Warfare's success. On the other, I don't want it cluttering up the middle of my screen. Maybe stick it elsewhere?Domino Theory said:
That's if it is an obvious Kills/Medals=cR in-game, of course. The breakdown on that one screenshot doesn't seem to work quite that way.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Kibbles said:
If you rent ODST for the Beta, you'll lose access and the ability to play the Beta when you return it as you'll need ODST in your Xbox at all times to access the Beta through ODST's in game menu.
EazyB said:
Well, "this stuff" I mean:
- Huge, open world maps like Halo 1.
- Amazing new engine with what looks like higher res stuff and um, more stuff.
- A multiplayer component that looks like it is busting at the seams with goodness.
So, you're saying the MP maps are identical to SP map locations? Woah, I didn't know that.
And, a remake would be a nice little bonus
electricpirate
Member
bentllama said:
Holy shit a cananimator sighting!
Judging by this screen it doesn't seem like you earn cR from stuff like that.Domino Theory said:
Letters said:
post game credits breakdown
CREDITS EARNED
GAME COMPLETE ___________10
PLAYLIST AWARDS _________40
INVASION BONUS __________50
COMMENDATIONS __________60
CHALLENGES ______________80
ACHIEVEMENTS ____________90
TOTAL _________________ +330
Of course it may not be final and they could include it but signs point to no. It's hard to tell from this breakdown and hopefully it'll be clarified with the BWU or the podcast but I'd like it if the point distribution really rewarded winning. In Halo 3 you'd only get rewarded for winning (or tying) and that was too harsh on the loser but really gave players incentive to doing whatever it took to win. If a Reach player can come out with more cR by ignoring the objective and focusing on challenges/commendations/kills than it'll hurt the game (hello BFBC2). Hopefully "Invasion Bonus" is referring to actually winning a round of invasion and "playlist awards" are completing objectives in that game.
I'd also be hesitant to rely on cR taxes for punishing quiters, some people won't care and take as many cR hits as they can. 10 min MM ban please.