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Halo Reach Reveal Thread - Matchmaking/Multiplayer Details Revealed
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Revengeance
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Holy shit, that podcast was amazing. I think I audibly said 'yes!' multiple times.
Thagomizer
Member
DualX said:
PREMATURE EJECTION
Thagomizer
Member
MagniHarvald said:Custom Game Option: Undestructible vehicles. Please.
(I'll also re-ask for a Silver skull enabling the Halo 1 soundtrack)
We need a bunch of skulls, including one that makes Grunts speak English.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
What I found slightly interesting was the name of the "shield" Armour Ability - Armour Lock.
Makes sense really. If you remember the opening cinematic of Halo 3 when the Chief is being recovered from atmospheric re-entry, it's mentioned that the outer gel layer of his armour harden in order to protect from the powerful impact as he landed.
Nice little consistency between the games. If the Chief can survive the fall, you should be able to survive a vehicular impact. Might explain the flash of light and the explosion of the Ghost in the trailer. If the suit locks into position, you essentially become a brick wall and whilst your shield is blown away by the impact, you'll be safe and sound.
The vehicle blowing up makes sense too, not many vehicles are designed to boost straight into a wall. It explodes from the impact rather than some kind of power drain/EMP effect.
Sorry if this brought up before, I'm just shocked I didn't make the connection earlier without the name.
Makes sense really. If you remember the opening cinematic of Halo 3 when the Chief is being recovered from atmospheric re-entry, it's mentioned that the outer gel layer of his armour harden in order to protect from the powerful impact as he landed.
Nice little consistency between the games. If the Chief can survive the fall, you should be able to survive a vehicular impact. Might explain the flash of light and the explosion of the Ghost in the trailer. If the suit locks into position, you essentially become a brick wall and whilst your shield is blown away by the impact, you'll be safe and sound.
The vehicle blowing up makes sense too, not many vehicles are designed to boost straight into a wall. It explodes from the impact rather than some kind of power drain/EMP effect.
Sorry if this brought up before, I'm just shocked I didn't make the connection earlier without the name.
godhandiscen
There are millions of whiny 5-year olds on Earth, and I AM THEIR KING.
All the info was awesome.
Hostile Paradox
Neo Member
Gentlemen, in some Halo related news, I bring you the PAX EAST Red Vs. Blue exclusive (for now) clip.... ignore the laughing.
If you cannot ignore the laughter, blame Blueblur, vhfive, and vhone.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EMRNOI8K
158MB
Hope you enjoy.
If you cannot ignore the laughter, blame Blueblur, vhfive, and vhone.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EMRNOI8K
158MB
Hope you enjoy.
Kibbles
Member
New Bnet article up, Feast of Bones
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Kibbles said:
The heck? :lol Awesome! Looks like a good read.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Does a slower base movement speed mean slower gameplay? I was sort of hoping it would actually be slightly faster.
Meh Im also pissed at the decision to make the DMR and pistol take 5 shots to kill, the precision weapons really seem to have been taken down a notch. I will reserve judgment until I play the beta but on a very personal level I dont think Halo will hold the same level of interest if the gameplay revolved around slower paced battles, especially if the spray and pray weapons are the most prevailant. (not saying that this will be the case).
Meh Im also pissed at the decision to make the DMR and pistol take 5 shots to kill, the precision weapons really seem to have been taken down a notch. I will reserve judgment until I play the beta but on a very personal level I dont think Halo will hold the same level of interest if the gameplay revolved around slower paced battles, especially if the spray and pray weapons are the most prevailant. (not saying that this will be the case).
The Librarian
Banned
Some really interesting stuff in this. Loved reading about the alternative story ideas for the Flood. Thanks for this, Urk.Kibbles said:
Say it ain't so!
Funny. This story reminded me how much I want to fight in some Forerunner structures in Reach. They better be there, Bungle!
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Kibbles said:
Is the Flood in Reach now?!!!!!!!!!!
The flood are in reach!!!1
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bobs99 ... said:
I think that the speed was altered due to the wider FOV and the decrease height your view is from the ground. The closer to the ground the faster your speed seems so it was changed to compensate for Reach changes. Nothing to suggest that the overall gameplay will be slower.
A quick look at the multiplayer trailer should show you that it looks as fast as your typical Halo.
Kibbles
Member
Holy shit that was amazing, thanks a ton! Whoever did that rendering job is a beast.Hostile Paradox said:Gentlemen, in some Halo related news, I bring you the PAX EAST Red Vs. Blue exclusive (for now) clip.... ignore the laughing.
If you cannot ignore the laughter, blame Blueblur, vhfive, and vhone.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EMRNOI8K
158MB
Hope you enjoy.
Podcast was awesome.
Questions I asked almost exactly 2 months ago and I'll bold what they addressed:
So fucking awesome. While listening to the podcast it totally felt like Brian was reading right off my question list. Personally couldn't ask for a better list
As far as my reactions to all the answers:
Melee - I really expected worse news so finding out melees won't kill unless the player is completely shielded was really good news.
Running speed - Not too pumped about slowing it down even more from Halo 3. Says something about it feeling just as fast but I'll have to play it before I believe that and I was hoping for faster gameplay.
Pistol - really happy to hear I'll never have to fire the AR as the a good player (Bungie's standard for good player) with a pistol will beat them out. The range/accuracy of the pistol sounds atrocious though. "Just outside of AR range" is where the Halo 3 pistol is (which takes around 5 or 6 shots) and I can still see the Halo 3 situation of one team gets DMRs and the other team spawns with only the pistol so they get destroyed from a distance. I also like spawning with something to at least challenge a sniper/laser with. Still good to hear there will we a CQC weapon that rewards skill.
Grenades - Good to hear they didn't think the ODST tosses were predictable enough for MP; really cautious about their strength though. I like a powerful grenade with a small radius that results in a high risk/reward situation that rewards skilled tosses but it's not exactly sounding like that for Reach.
"Ping" - That's just what I was suggesting a couple days ago. Adopting a KZ2-like animation for taking weapon damage. Sweet.
Grenade launcher - Seems alright. Still not sure if it'll just result in a bunch of noob infantry kills but I really like the anti-air EMP effect. Definitely not a replacement for the bruteshot.
Fall damage - Alright with the stun, glad the damage is greatly reduced from CE. Wanna see how this effects mancannons and such.
Elites - Definitely sounds like I was correct in saying they just have the evade ability and nothing else. Really interested in how they'll play in invasion.
Ya done good with the podcasting, Bungie.
Questions I asked almost exactly 2 months ago and I'll bold what they addressed:
So fucking awesome. While listening to the podcast it totally felt like Brian was reading right off my question list. Personally couldn't ask for a better list
As far as my reactions to all the answers:
Melee - I really expected worse news so finding out melees won't kill unless the player is completely shielded was really good news.
Running speed - Not too pumped about slowing it down even more from Halo 3. Says something about it feeling just as fast but I'll have to play it before I believe that and I was hoping for faster gameplay.
Pistol - really happy to hear I'll never have to fire the AR as the a good player (Bungie's standard for good player) with a pistol will beat them out. The range/accuracy of the pistol sounds atrocious though. "Just outside of AR range" is where the Halo 3 pistol is (which takes around 5 or 6 shots) and I can still see the Halo 3 situation of one team gets DMRs and the other team spawns with only the pistol so they get destroyed from a distance. I also like spawning with something to at least challenge a sniper/laser with. Still good to hear there will we a CQC weapon that rewards skill.
Grenades - Good to hear they didn't think the ODST tosses were predictable enough for MP; really cautious about their strength though. I like a powerful grenade with a small radius that results in a high risk/reward situation that rewards skilled tosses but it's not exactly sounding like that for Reach.
"Ping" - That's just what I was suggesting a couple days ago. Adopting a KZ2-like animation for taking weapon damage. Sweet.
Grenade launcher - Seems alright. Still not sure if it'll just result in a bunch of noob infantry kills but I really like the anti-air EMP effect. Definitely not a replacement for the bruteshot.
Fall damage - Alright with the stun, glad the damage is greatly reduced from CE. Wanna see how this effects mancannons and such.
Elites - Definitely sounds like I was correct in saying they just have the evade ability and nothing else. Really interested in how they'll play in invasion.
Ya done good with the podcasting, Bungie.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Dani said:
I understand the FOV aspect to it, so im not too worried about it being toooo slow, but I was hoping it would be slightly faster than H3 at least.
As for looking at the trailer, go watch the first Halo 3 multiplayer trailer, it looked equally as chaotic, but you never see like 5 people fighting in the cave on snowbound :lol - so yeah im wary of trusting the trailer for that kind of thing.
Eazy said what I would say but he said it better.
Slightly Live
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bobs99 ... said:
You should play more Customs. :lol
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Hostile Paradox
Neo Member
Kibbles said:
That would be the newest member to Rooster Teeth. His name escapes me right now. He's the guy on the left.
P.S. Yes, those are Heinekens on their table.
bobs...onGaf
Member
Dani said:
You play some AWEFUL customs :lol
All joking aside the 'pace' of the trailers is a REALLY bad way to judge how the game will turn out.
If theres fall damage stun could there be plasma damage stun (please!) - I really hope crouching mitigates stun Halo 1 style.
Kibbles
Member
Woah, that's Monty Oum, the guy who made that "Haloid" video. That's so awesome. I can't wait to see their new stuff.Hostile Paradox said:
That would be the newest member to Rooster Teeth. His name escapes me right now. He's the guy on the left.
P.S. Yes, those are Heinekens on their table.
Slightly Live
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bobs99 ... said:
I agree, it's a limited source. They did sound reassuring on the podcast that it was quite minor though. Wouldn't be surprised if the majority of folks don't even notice it come the Beta/release.
Liking the idea of special death animation/s for a halted would-be assassin. I can already imagine the Youtube videos framed with whining of the deceased players screaming down the mics.
Hostile Paradox
Neo Member
Kibbles said:
Yes, you are correct sir.
Wow, that was flat out awesome! The guy that made Haloid is with them too so its even better! lolHostile Paradox said:Gentlemen, in some Halo related news, I bring you the PAX EAST Red Vs. Blue exclusive (for now) clip.... ignore the laughing.
If you cannot ignore the laughter, blame Blueblur, vhfive, and vhone.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EMRNOI8K
158MB
Hope you enjoy.
Good material and news I would say.
- Five shots from the DMR isn't a problem, especially since it is hit-scan.
- Slower gameplay is definitely not a plus, but we'll see with the wider vision.
- Fall damage is something I do want, because without it players take huge risks jumping off high spots without being punished. I doubt a man-cannon or air-lift effects this much.
- News about frags is nice; despite being able to carry 4, it is good we won't get the same cluster of a mess about dropped grenades from Halo 3.
- Five shots from the DMR isn't a problem, especially since it is hit-scan.
- Slower gameplay is definitely not a plus, but we'll see with the wider vision.
- Fall damage is something I do want, because without it players take huge risks jumping off high spots without being punished. I doubt a man-cannon or air-lift effects this much.
- News about frags is nice; despite being able to carry 4, it is good we won't get the same cluster of a mess about dropped grenades from Halo 3.
I was at the RvB panel. The new segments look amazing.I've been out of the Halo world for maybe a year and a half. Still preparing my entry back into the underground.Need to get a copy of ODST again.
A ton of people had those Astro headsets at PAX but there wasn't a booth or anything that I could find. Only Turtle Beach and Triton. I prefer the later of the two as cosmetically the Turtle Beach look just terrible and flimsy.
I really just want to get a good pair for some late night gaming hopefully with you guys. I would prefer it to be 5.1 with a digital input and possibly a USB one as well for usage on the PC. If anyone has any other recommendations or ones they are selling for the cheap I would be interested. I sound like a broken record in here, but it's a huge commitment for me. Once I get into Halo there is no coming back out for a long time for me.
A ton of people had those Astro headsets at PAX but there wasn't a booth or anything that I could find. Only Turtle Beach and Triton. I prefer the later of the two as cosmetically the Turtle Beach look just terrible and flimsy.
I really just want to get a good pair for some late night gaming hopefully with you guys. I would prefer it to be 5.1 with a digital input and possibly a USB one as well for usage on the PC. If anyone has any other recommendations or ones they are selling for the cheap I would be interested. I sound like a broken record in here, but it's a huge commitment for me. Once I get into Halo there is no coming back out for a long time for me.
GhaleonEB said:
Thats true and one thing I forgot to factor in was the rate of fire. I'm sure as soon as the beta hits that we'll soon see side by side comparisons of how long it takes to take down someones shield to a kill with the 5shots from the DMR and and Magnum vs. its predecessors.
Finally got a chance to sit down and listen to the podcast. Just some random thoughts..
The five shotting mechanic with the DMR will take a little bit of time getting used to (along with the blossoming reticule), after being so accustomed to knowing for so long that four shots with the BR will kill a guy. The pistol sounds all kinds of awesome, though. I hope we always spawn with the pistol as our secondary for AR starts. It really does sound like the perfect alternative to the AR as far as spawn weapons go.
I'm not sure how I feel about the slower pace. In the trailer, even though it's really not the best source to judge, the gameplay seemed to move just as fast, if not faster, than Halo 3. I guess it's just a wait and see how much it does or doesn't affect gameplay at this point, though.
The 'ping' stuff sounds AMAZING. If I understood Luke correctly, you actually see people's heads snapping back when you shoot them, which is just all kinds of awesomeness. I hope they keep this in the final build, because this alone is going to make shooting someone so much more satisfying compared to other Halo games.
It's nice to know that your health will regenerate to a point, so you won't die 'from a scratch' after a battle is over. I still wish I didn't have to rely on Health Packs (just due to the complications that can arise from there being a set point where health pack's spawn; ie camping, griefing, etc), but the fact that it'll regenerate some on its own, soothes me.
Everything else sounds really great to me, though. Why isn't it May 3rd yet? ;(
The five shotting mechanic with the DMR will take a little bit of time getting used to (along with the blossoming reticule), after being so accustomed to knowing for so long that four shots with the BR will kill a guy. The pistol sounds all kinds of awesome, though. I hope we always spawn with the pistol as our secondary for AR starts. It really does sound like the perfect alternative to the AR as far as spawn weapons go.
I'm not sure how I feel about the slower pace. In the trailer, even though it's really not the best source to judge, the gameplay seemed to move just as fast, if not faster, than Halo 3. I guess it's just a wait and see how much it does or doesn't affect gameplay at this point, though.
The 'ping' stuff sounds AMAZING. If I understood Luke correctly, you actually see people's heads snapping back when you shoot them, which is just all kinds of awesomeness. I hope they keep this in the final build, because this alone is going to make shooting someone so much more satisfying compared to other Halo games.
It's nice to know that your health will regenerate to a point, so you won't die 'from a scratch' after a battle is over. I still wish I didn't have to rely on Health Packs (just due to the complications that can arise from there being a set point where health pack's spawn; ie camping, griefing, etc), but the fact that it'll regenerate some on its own, soothes me.
Everything else sounds really great to me, though. Why isn't it May 3rd yet? ;(
Yeah. And it sounded like they were implying Elite's shields recharge faster than Spartans, so in theory they'll be able to push ahead in heated battles faster than the defenders can defend, which fits with the concept of Invasion. I'm curious if they move a touch faster as well. They'd be less equipped with gadgets, but quicker, stronger and more agile, which could make for an interesting dynamic.EazyB said:
I can see why the Beta is going to be so broad: there's a lot of new variables to test out in just the revealed features so far. A lot of the stuff I'm cheering I'm expecting to feel off a bit in the Beta as balancing is worked out.
Major Williams
Member
Tashi0106 said:
Everytime I hear Sage speak, it is like butter on bread. His diction and choice of how to put things into perspective makes me really excited he is at the helm of balancing the sandbox. I'm honestly not too worried about the experience of the changes
KidA Seven
Member
About to listen to it right now.
I'm curious about Reach's gameplay speed. I was hoping it would be faster than Halo 3's, but I'll just wait for the beta before I judge.
I'm curious about Reach's gameplay speed. I was hoping it would be faster than Halo 3's, but I'll just wait for the beta before I judge.
dslgunstar
Banned
Based on the new podcast, the pistol sounds completely ridiculous. The AR fills one role, now both the pistol and the DMR fill the same role, right down to the number of shots for a kill.
Why the hell would I bother to even look for a DMR if I spawn with a weapon thats just as effective? Stupid decision, seemingly based entirely on appeasing diehard fans of the original broken CE pistol.
Why the hell would I bother to even look for a DMR if I spawn with a weapon thats just as effective? Stupid decision, seemingly based entirely on appeasing diehard fans of the original broken CE pistol.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
dslgunstar said:
:lol Did you even listen to the whole podcast?
The DMR's range is quite longer, whereas the Pistol's range is not much further than the Assault Rifle. The DMR sounds like the primary mid-range go-to weapon, but the AR/Pistol start seems like that's how they'll go for normal starting weapons.dslgunstar said:
Health packs were placed in beneficial spots throughout maps in Halo: CE. In the LAN game I've participated in, no griefing or camping was involved in determining the health. You don't need a full health bar ala Halo: CE anyways to really go headstrong into battle.Thermite said:
There were changes, both mild and large, from each game throughout the series (ODST notwithstanding). Why expect them to keep things exactly the way they were?Tashi0106 said:
dslgunstar
Banned
Domino Theory said:
Yep, albeit while I'm working since I'm at the office. For all the talk about limiting the number of weapons and making sure every one fits a particular role, the whole discussion about the power of the pistol sounded weirdly out of place.
Striker said:
I'm fine with people wanting a headshot capable weapon that can handle itself against the AR but at what point does the AR gain the advantage back from the pistol? If there's no situation where the AR is a better weapon, then it renders the AR pointless. So you either have a redundant pistol or a worthless AR.
Slightly Live
Dirty tag dodger
Anyone up for some MM? Monday evenings are usually quiet.
I've been working on my sniping, one of my weak spots, in preparation for the Beta. I'm definitely improving and I'm quite happy that I managed a Perfection in a game.
I've been working on my sniping, one of my weak spots, in preparation for the Beta. I'm definitely improving and I'm quite happy that I managed a Perfection in a game.
Domino Theory
Crystal Dynamics
dslgunstar said:
The pistol's range is just outside of the AR's range and the accuracy for it blows really quickly (indicated by the reticule bloom). It also comes with a 2x zoom.
The DMR's range is significantly longer (think Sniper range), but with a slower rate of fire and the accuracy doesn't blow out as fast as the Pistol's. It also comes with a 3x zoom.
The pistol is HARDLY overpowered. It's now the perfect side-arm to use in combat. <3
dslgunstar said:
You would want to grab it for the range. While the pistol may kill someone with the same amount of shots, the DMR has a far bigger range than the pistol does.
Striker said:
In LAN, though, where everyone is up close and it's in RL, people are far less likely to be complete assholes during gameplay. Online is just a totally different story. I can already see someone getting super pissed off because they wanted the sniper, but didn't get there first, so they start purposely getting hurt (ie throwing grenades at their feet), and then grabbing all the health packs in a certain spot screwing other players over.
Hydranockz
Member
After the podcast and that tidbit of info from Dani, I have had a vision;Dani said:
Jumping from a high altitude, activating the shield lock and crushing another player.
Also, I wonder what sort of things might happen an EMP'd jetpacker without killing him. I always wondered why you never fell over in many games. I'd imagine an EMP'd player from the air would stumble to the floor.
One thing I didn't hear addressed in the podcast was the way in which frags deafen(/blind) the player. It was sort of mused before but like, as with the damage curve, I was curious what that would mean in terms of te sound distortion.
Revengeance
Member
Sanjuro Tsubaki said:I was at the RvB panel. The new segments look amazing.I've been out of the Halo world for maybe a year and a half. Still preparing my entry back into the underground.Need to get a copy of ODST again.
A ton of people had those Astro headsets at PAX but there wasn't a booth or anything that I could find. Only Turtle Beach and Triton. I prefer the later of the two as cosmetically the Turtle Beach look just terrible and flimsy.
I really just want to get a good pair for some late night gaming hopefully with you guys. I would prefer it to be 5.1 with a digital input and possibly a USB one as well for usage on the PC. If anyone has any other recommendations or ones they are selling for the cheap I would be interested. I sound like a broken record in here, but it's a huge commitment for me. Once I get into Halo there is no coming back out for a long time for me.
Yeah, I thought it was odd that Astro was such a big sponsor, but didn't even have a booth - I wanted to try them. I preferred look of the Triton headsets, but they were heavy, they sat on my head really oddly, and I could never get them to form a good seal around my ears. The Turtle Beach headphones were snug and light and sounded awesome. As mentioned earlier, vhfive won a pair of the wireless headphones by beating that clown of a pro. Different colored contacts? Seriously? Also the Turtle Beach rep was a total skeezball.