Has anyone changed their mind from anti-gay marriage to pro-gay marriage?

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I was never against it, but I wasn't exactly for it either. I became empathetic towards the cause as religion began to really weigh in with the rhetoric. It provided/provides no direct benefit/effect to me, but it generally went along with my becoming a social libertarian
 
When I was younger, I was one of those fools who said, "why don't we call it Civil Unions instead?! Win win for everyone!". When I educated myself on the origins of the word marriage and its use in law today, I obviously changed my tune
 
I guess I thought I thought it was kinda weird as a kid, but the first openly gay person in my life, who was our pastor, was such a calm, peaceful and good man that I never had a reason to not support any kind of gay rights.
 
I suppose I was technically "anti-gay" when I was a child, being raised in a religion that taught it was wrong but never really think about the concept at all. Then I became like ten, eleven years old and left the religion and sort of went spiritually wandering until I arrived at atheism. So by the age of 14, I was firmly for LGBT rights including marriage equality.
 
As a kid I was raised more Christian/conservative but after going to college and see more people, different cultures, and the world in general I have become quite liberal. Needless to say in HS is where I got over my dislike for gay people as after actually analyzing and thinking about it: who gives a shit who people love? Life is to short to worry if two men like each other, or two women.
 
When I was younger, I was one of those fools who said, "why don't we call it Civil Unions instead?! Win win for everyone!". When I educated myself on the origins of the word marriage and its use in law today, I obviously changed my tune

Can I get a quick rundown for the uneducated? I seriously have no idea what the problem would be if the word marriage just got axed or used for church officiated wedding only and everything else is civil union.
 
10 years ago, when I was just turning 21, yeah I was a pretty close-minded individual. I used the flawed logic that gay marriage would lead to other forms of marriage such as marriage to animals, groups of people, that silliness. I blame it on most of my family being religious and conservative. Once I moved away from them and started reading forums like gaf, my whole perspective changed.
 
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I started to feel empathy for gay people when I grew my hair out and people at my school would call me a faggot and set it on fire and throw rocks at me.
 
As in, recently? Or ever? Because way back when I used to be anti-gay marriage until I knew someone who was gay. Then I realized that was really fucked up and am now 100% pro gay marriage.
 
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Yeah l lot of people have, including Obama. People can change their minds about things and do, especially as public opinion changes. The more society at large accepts something the more it starts seeming acceptable to individuals, it becomes normal. What others think is a powerful force. A lot of people though tend to surround themselves with people that share the same views as themselves so it can take awhile before the change of opinion starts to seep in. In politics this is especially the case as often times people are forced to say what is popular even if they don't really believe it.
 
As a gay male, I was never anti- gay marriage. But I too had a change of how I thought about it.

As a teenager I'd describe myself as mostly indifferent to the concept of gay marriage. It was just something I never thought of, and if I did it was one of those "it will never happen" type things. And I was teenager in the late '90s early 2000s.

Then 2004 happened. First seeing the February San Francisco marriages and later the more legal Massachusetts marriages in May totally changed my way of thinking about it. I no longer didn't care one way or the other, I wanted gay marriage to be legal, and felt it needed to happen.

Then the 2004 voter referendums happened :( Those were some bleak years that followed for gay marriage rights. But here we are now, in 2015 with it legalized nationwide!
 
I was anti when i was younger, back when I was parroting most of my dad's stupid ass beliefs. Hell, I voted for Bush when he went against Kerry. That was around the time I was just starting to waiver on things.

Honestly what helped was internet arguments. People think oh, you're never going to convince each other, so why do it? Well, arguments like that helped sway me quite a bit.

This is what won me over, too. Up until college I was very much against marriage equality, at my best saying things like "make them call it something different" and other 'separate but equal' bullshit. Basically a product of my upbringing.

After college the Internet took off, I got involved with newsgroups and forums and was exposed to a lot of good thoughts. I realized my arguments had no leg to stand on. Over the course of 15 years I've radically changed my opinion and it's all a result of logical, well-reasoned comments on the Internet.
 
Hopefully you won't get piled on, and I hope this doesn't sound like trying to interrogate you, but may I ask your reasoning then?

Same to you, please.

My Sister laid a doozy on me the other day. She said " I just think it's gross and I don't want to imagine what goes on in their bedrooms".

So I asked her, does she really spend her time thinking about what goes on in the bedroom of straight couples? Does she go to walmart and look at the couples and imagine them having sex with each other? Does she think of me having sex with a woman?

Her obvious response to those questions were no. There seems to be a mental block people have that they don't understand that gay marriage or any marriage doesn't mean you have to think about what the people do with each other in the privacy of their own homes. I think it's important to pick at that block until it breaks a little and logic flow through.
 
I was anti-marriage-equality when I was like nine years old and had no perspective or knowledge.

Then life and perspective happened.

Same for me.
What really did it was when I started working in the Gay neighborhood as it really introduced me to all sorts of fine people.
 
Before I was 17 yes, mostly I based my set of beliefs on the religious teachings I was brought up in but then a close friend came out to me and I realized I was a unknowingly giant unbearable fucking asshole the years that we were friends together.

Ever since then I've been challenging my own set of beliefs and perspective.

That was nearly 9 years ago.
 
I never had any moral problems with homosexuality at all (at least by the time I was older enough to understand what it is), my opinions on what cause homosexuality evolved a bit some years back, and I may have used to feel uncomfortable about people of the same sex to marry (maybe). Or at least on the fence. I'm certainly in support of it now and have been for quite a long time. I suppose maybe I do view gay marriage more as a moral issue lately, and feel it's immoral not to allow gay couples the same status and same benefit that straight couples can enjoy.
 
Welcome to politics. Where no one gives a shit what you actually think and you just parrot things that will bring you the most voters.

So, even in a thread which is about people changing their minds, and which is FULL of people describing how over the last few years they have changed their opinion, for some reason Clinton is to be mocked and criticised for doing exactly the same as everyone else in the thread.

Makes sense.
 
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On the one hand, duh, politicians just play politics and they'll shift with the winds as they see fit. And you can say that about Hillary being against gay marriage back in 2000 just as much as you could say that about her support of it now. And yes, it's sad. But at least she claims to support it now that it's law and has public support. It's the politicians who are digging their heals in and still don't support it who you know are showing their true, ugly colors.

For all we know Hillary doesn't actually give a shit and just wants to shift to the winds of the left and appeal to her base. That may be cynical but if that's the way it's gotta be done then that's the way it's going to be done. Government is just the people's tool to to effect policy, at least that's how it should be. It's a moot point for gay marriage anyway since now it's set in fucking granite and we have it to shove into conservatives' faces for eternity.
 
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If you were to go to Congress right now and take a secret ballot -- zero repercussions and no one knows who voted for what -- legalizing gay marriage nationwide would pass with overwhelming numbers, even in this Tea Party-controlled era of the House.

It's a bit unfair to pick on one politician who sees the shifting winds. Is it shitty? Kind of. Is she alone? Hell no.
 
Same to you, please.
Well, im not really against gay marriage in itself, they should enjoy all the perks that comes with it. But, the family aspect of it is the part im worried about.
In my opinion, there could be big psychological consequences with a child raised in a gay marriage. Children need mother and a father.
Now please dont kill me people.
 
Well, im not really against gay marriage in itself, they should enjoy all the perks that comes with it. But, the family aspect of it is the part im worried about.
In my opinion, there could be big psychological consequences with a child raised in a gay marriage.
Now please dont kill me people.

I won't kill you but I just wonder if those consequences are any worse than the damage gained from a single parent home, or a broken home, or a home with straight parents who are emotionally distanced from one another, etc.
 
I won't kill you but I just wonder if those consequences are any worse than a single parent home, or a broken home, or a home with straight parents who are emotionally distanced from one another.
I thought about it a lot and yes, I believe they're much worse.
Kids at school will make his life a living hell.
That just what I believe, at least.
 
Well, im not really against gay marriage in itself, they should enjoy all the perks that comes with it. But, the family aspect of it is the part im worried about.
In my opinion, there could be big psychological consequences with a child raised in a gay marriage. Children need mother and a father.
Now please dont kill me people.

Has there been a case of psychological trauma in kids specifically because they have same sex parents?

We've had openly same sex parents for a while now, surely some concerning facts would have been revealed by now.

If not, then its not really relevent is it?

A child needs parents, many do with only one and survive/live healthy productive lives.
 
I used to think that it shouldn't be legalized. I'm a Christian. But I've changed over the years, especially as the political fight got bitter and brutal.

Even though I agree the Bible labels any sexual acts outside a married relationship between a man and a woman as sexual immorality/sin, I eventually agreed that this should have NO bearing on the legal rights of a human to do as they wish. Even if the Christian God thinks it's immoral, separation of church and state means that gay couples should have the legal, political right to do it because it has important ramifications on their lives that they are lacking without the right to marry.

As a Christian, I actually wish my fellow believers would have let people do as they wish and stopped fighting so hard against this cause. It did nothing but embitter gays and non-Christians against the gospel, cause hatred and bickering, and divide our nation. That is not what Jesus would have wanted us to do. He would have wanted us to be straightforward and truthful about what the Word of God says, but we are in NO position to police people on spiritual/moral matters!! Jesus never did that. He spoke boldly but manipulated/controlled no one, especially legally/politically!

If you are not a Christian, and you don't have the Holy Spirit within you, you don't profess to follow God's commands, then the Bible means nothing to you, so why do my brothers try to beat people over the head with it? I wouldn't want a Jew or Muslim to force me what I can and cannot eat because I do not ascribe to their set of moral standards. Similarly, non-Christians don't ascribe to our standards, and as long as what gays are doing doesn't infringe on my American freedoms or hurt me or society, then I shouldn't stand in their way.

I believe that the struggle on religious people's side against gay people has only hurt the gospel. Which I believe dishonors God.

In conclusion, I don't mind what happened on Friday. To confuse all of you even more, I identify as bisexual (though mostly gay).

My greatest hope is that legal gay marriage being decided will remove one awful obstacle in between discussions of the gospel, and hopefully Christians can get back to figuring out how to love and embrace the LGBTQ community instead of fighting bitterly to keep them from legal rights they should have in this country.
 
Kids make fun of skin color, disabilities and accents. Is that the fault of the kids or the parents/marriage?

Has there been a case of psychological trauma in kids specifically because they have same sex parents?

We've had openly same sex parents for a while now, surely some concerning facts would have been revealed by now.

If not, then its not really relevent is it?

A child needs parents, many do with only one and survive/live healthy productive lives.
Give this article a read:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

And guys, all I did is state my opinion and how I feel about this. I dont have any facts to support my concerns because I never searched for any.
 
I've never changed my mind, as I have always been a supporter of marriage equality. It probably helps that, while my family as a whole is religious, my immediate family is not and I was raised to be very open-minded and accepting of people and I'm super grateful to have had that. Otherwise, I don't know if I would have many of the friends I do, as one of my best friends is gay and I'm really close with people of all walks of life.
 
Well, im not really against gay marriage in itself, they should enjoy all the perks that comes with it. But, the family aspect of it is the part im worried about.
In my opinion, there could be big psychological consequences with a child raised in a gay marriage. Children need mother and a father.
Now please dont kill me people.
First of all, thank you for the reply. I promise I won't be aggressive at all and I truly hope it will not come off as such at all.

Anyway, on topic, the family logic doesn't really work, because so far there has been absolutely no credible research (that is, scientific peer-reviewed research) pointing to that a child actually needs a man as his father and a woman as the mother. On the contrary, research heavily seems to be pointing at that there are no differences.

There still does need to be more long term research into it (though many consider it quite obvious that's not how science works - obvious isn't obvious until it really has been researched and seen so thoroughly that there can be no question), but really, if there were notable differences, those differences would extremely likely have been shown so far.

It's also worth noting that a same sex couple generally actually wants the baby. Adoption (or any other way for a same sex couple to get a child) isn't a thing that is just decided easily and then immediately goes through. It takes a lot of time to get a child through adoption and the couple adopting gets reviewed quite heavily (at least in my country, and I'd imagine in the US too).

On the contrary, a straight couple can have a baby coming after a single drunken night, which can result and does result in a lot of unwanted babies.

If you wish, I can link multiple researches on the subject.

I thought about it a lot and yes, I believe they're much worse.
Kids at school will make his life a living hell.
That just what I believe, at least.
The possibility of being bullied isn't really a logic based reason either. Children get bullied for an infinite amount of reasons. It is extremely unfortunate that it still happens so much and practically everywhere and that it hasn't been managed to be stopped. Adding another reason to bully doesn't do anything at all for the bullying.

I'd actually argue that having same sex couples normalized (and rest assured, having it legal everywhere does wonders to that especially with some time as people grow up in a country in which it's ok to marry no matter of your sexual orientation) could actually do a lot of good for those children who struggle with their different sexuality (comparing to the mainstream) or with their parents being of the same sex. While they will get bullied still (as will other children for a multitude of other reasons), they will be able to know inside them that it's fine to be gay or that it's fine to have parents of same sex.

Give this article a read:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

And guys, all I did is state my opinion and how I feel about this. I dont have any facts to support my concerns because I never searched for any.
It's true that there are some gays that are against same sex marriage due to multiple reasons, one of them being that they think a child needs a mother and father despite them being grown up without both sexes playing a part. However, that doesn't actually mean that it would be true (that a child needs a mother and father), but simply that the child feels that for whatever reason (which can be anything, such as in the case of that article it'd seem to be the loss of her father which she admits left a huge hole in her). Likewise, there are plenty of kids from straight couples who feel that their parents just weren't enough for them.
 
And that we never chose to be gay (fucking hell do I still deep down wish I wasn't) but maybe we could choose to marry who we love.
You really have internalized a lot of negativity to it, haven't you?


I hope you can move past that and squash that worthless "wish."
 
In high school I think I was for allowing some kind of comparable union that isn't marriage, but once I got to college and thought more about it and became more educated I became pro-gay marriage. I've become much more liberal in the last few years. I was fairly conservative growing up.
 
Wouldn't the "kids need a mom and a dad"-argument (if it should turn out that it has any merit) be better suited for opposing adoption and insemination than SSM?

Me and my boyfriend have no plans on ever raising a child so why should that even be a factor when discussing if we should be allowed to marry?

EDIT: Not that this matters to me personally since here in Sweden, we've had civil unions since 1995, the same adoption rights as married couples since 2003, assisted insemination since 2005 and full marriage equality since 2009.
 
So, even in a thread which is about people changing their minds, and which is FULL of people describing how over the last few years they have changed their opinion, for some reason Clinton is to be mocked and criticised for doing exactly the same as everyone else in the thread.

Makes sense.

But we don't know if she changed her mind. Could be. And it also could be that she was for it at the time and now or against it at the time and now.

And if you are a Hillary supporter I'm not actually from the US if that puts you at ease.
 
Give this article a read:
http://thefederalist.com/2015/03/17/dear-gay-community-your-kids-are-hurting/

And guys, all I did is state my opinion and how I feel about this. I dont have any facts to support my concerns because I never searched for any.

Well thanks.

First off, the writer openly admits that her dad was both not a great influence and disappeared from her life. It seems likely that she'd have the same feelings being raised by a single parent and that the inclusion of another mom didn't really add to those feelings.

Secondly, recent research has shown that only the quality of the relationship has the lasting impact in children rather than the orientation of their parents:

http://web.missouri.edu/~segerti/2210/gayparents.pdf
http://people.virginia.edu/~cjp/articles/pwInPress.pdf
http://www.apa.org/monitor/2010/10/adopted-children.aspx
http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting.aspx
https://www.aclu.org/overview-lesbian-and-gay-parenting-adoption-and-foster-care
ACLU said:
All of the research to date has reached the same unequivocal conclusion about gay parenting: the children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as successfully as the children of heterosexual parents. In fact, not a single study has found the children of lesbian or gay parents to be disadvantaged because of their parents' sexual orientation. Other key findings include:

  • There is no evidence to suggest that lesbians and gay men are unfit to be parents.
  • Home environments with lesbian and gay parents are as likely to successfully support a child's development as those with heterosexual parents.
  • Good parenting is not influenced by sexual orientation. Rather, it is influenced most profoundly by a parent's ability to create a loving and nurturing home -- an ability that does not depend on whether a parent is gay or straight.
  • There is no evidence to suggest that the children of lesbian and gay parents are less intelligent, suffer from more problems, are less popular, or have lower self-esteem than children of heterosexual parents.
  • The children of lesbian and gay parents grow up as happy, healthy and well-adjusted as the children of heterosexual parents.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...ge-may-not-bring-equality-in-adoption/393806/
The Atlantic said:
Though there may be a hodgepodge of state-adoption laws, social-science research over the past three decades has made one thing clear: Good same-sex parenting leads to positive outcomes for children and families. One study from 2010 found that, on average, children adopted by LGBT couples were as well-adjusted as those adopted by heterosexual couples. Similarly, a 2008 literature review of 19 studies sampling more than 1,000 total families showed there were no major differences between same-sex and heterosexual parents with respect to children’s cognitive development, gender identity and behavior, psychological adjustment, and sexual preferences. When the American Academy of Pediatrics came out in support of gay marriage in 2013, it declared that “adoption or foster parenting should be available without regard to the sexual orientation of the parent(s).”

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/131/4/e1374
American Academy of Pediatrics said:
Extensive data available from more than 30 years of research reveal that children raised by gay and lesbian parents have demonstrated resilience with regard to social, psychological, and sexual health despite economic and legal disparities and social stigma. Many studies have demonstrated that children's well-being is affected much more by their relationships with their parents, their parents' sense of competence and security, and the presence of social and economic support for the family than by the gender or the sexual orientation of their parents.

I have personally yet to see studies that outright declare that same-sex parenting is objectively worse than heterosexual parenting. In my own opinion, gains of femininity or masculinity that a child might require, if not displayed in their parents but can be grained through healthy and fulfilling relationships with people outside their parent's gender. As well, in our modern society, no parent at all should be ill-equipped to handle any questions of puberty or adolescence that their parents didn't experience. Beyond those, I don't see many reasons why a healthy and loving family of one type would be any more harmful than a health and loving family of another type.
 
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