Has anyone changed their mind from anti-gay marriage to pro-gay marriage?

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I have personally yet to see studies that outright declare that same-sex parenting is objectively worse than heterosexual parenting. In my own opinion, gains of femininity or masculinity that a child might require, if not displayed in their parents but can be grained through healthy and fulfilling relationships with people outside their parent's gender. As well, in our modern society, no parent at all should be ill-equipped to handle any questions of puberty or adolescence that their parents didn't experience. Beyond those, I don't see many reasons why a healthy and loving family of one type would be any more harmful than a health and loving family of another type.
While those studies do exist, they usually come from catholic universities with an obvious agenda, like the latest by Paul Sullins. The general consensus is that there's no correlation between the sexual orientation of the parents and the mental health and development of a child. Structural integrity of the family is important.

Great post btw, I've only read some of those, thanks for sharing.
 
Been a proponent for gay marriage for over a decade. It was much grimmer back then so seeing this sudden amazing change has been too overwhelming.
 
Great post btw, I've only read some of those, thanks for sharing.

Heh. Well as a researcher myself, I know that the accredited stuff is what matters most. As for the post, I wish I could find more but, along with being tired, it seems that the University of Virginia prof has lead the charge in finding out a significant amount of the social science related to this that we no now so a lot of it may reiterate itself. I'm sure that now marriage is fully legal, more people will be eager to study it more than likely coming up with the same conclusions anyway.
 
I grew up in a conservative Christian family that, while not overtly homophobic or hateful, believed that being gay was ultimately a sin and practiced the "love the sinner, hate the sin" mentality when it came to gay people, and ultimately were against gay marriage being legal. By age 16 or 17 I was pretty removed from that way of thinking but ultimately kind of indifferent. Once I was in college and more exposed to liberal thinking I became much more passionate and active about being pro-gay marriage.

Thankfully, my parents have chilled out a lot and mostly feel the same way.
 
My mom used to take me to a hairstylist that was super gay. In Mexico.

She always wanted me to be open to the idea that people will be different and will have different lifestyles. Oh and by the way, my mom is pretty religious. She just had a pastor that was not an asshole and understood how things actually work. He taught us to be friendly with pagans/buddhists/jews/etc, so that should religion come up in conversation, we will be knowledgeable enough to not look like complete fools because we were representing his church lol.

Thanks to this upbringing, I've always been pro gay marriage, as has most of my family. There are a lot of things I'm proud of my family for, but to grow up with an open mind is the single best thing she's done for me.
 
I was indifferent about it some years ago, but now I am completely for having those rights and choice. Jesus shows us love through having free will to do as we please, no matter what, and I am not above that, nor have the right to override that in any way.
 
Welcome to politics. Where no one gives a shit what you actually think and you just parrot things that will bring you the most voters.
Possible that she's just pandering. But it's also quite possible that she did change her mind. That was 15 years ago, for crying out loud.

So, even in a thread which is about people changing their minds, and which is FULL of people describing how over the last few years they have changed their opinion, for some reason Clinton is to be mocked and criticised for doing exactly the same as everyone else in the thread.

Makes sense.
Yeah, it's kind of stupid.

You know what, even if it's just pandering to get votes, at least she changed her stance for the better and more inclusive one. Since we can't read her mind and be 100% sure she changed her stance for the votes or because she truly changed her mind, might as well just be glad that she changed it at all instead of keeping her old outdated stance, no?
 
Well, im not really against gay marriage in itself, they should enjoy all the perks that comes with it. But, the family aspect of it is the part im worried about.
In my opinion, there could be big psychological consequences with a child raised in a gay marriage. Children need mother and a father.
Now please dont kill me people.

No they don't. I had a mother and father and my father didn't do jack shit for me other than pay the bills. I might as well never have had a father. I have no doubt 2 gay dads (or moms) would have been better than my oem parental units.

Anyways, I have nothing else to add other than this thread is awesome.
 
I grew up in a very rural, very conservative place, so I grew up thinking that gay marriage was wrong and shouldn't be legal.

But once into my teens I started to look for logical backup for that belief. I couldn't find anything solid, being honest with myself, but I still held to the belief, because that's what you tend to do with things you grow up hearing.

But once I got into adulthood, nah, I woke up. Somewhere between 8-13 years ago. I can't pinpoint where, but I switch over to Team Pro.
 
When I was young (I accepted Atheism in my late teens) I didn't think gays should get married. Not only because gay was wrong but because it is a covenant with Christ and God.

That all kind of went away once I looked into the actual history of marriage as a method of clanbuilding and making alliances with different clans and groups, predating the Bible or even when JudeoChristian God was supposed to exist.

And I started critically thinking, marriage exists in all cultures with all religions. What makes Christian American marriage so special?
 
I grew up around an annoyingly (and overwhelmingly) Christian family. Even when I was a half-way Christian in middle and high school, I was always pro-gay marriage. Before I went to college I completely dropped the nonsense religion and my pro-gay marriage stance remained.
 
Grew up in an environment in which the subject of gay people was hush-hush at best. During a period of denial about my being gay, I held far from the best opinions about gay people, but the subject was one I kept away from rather than spoke out about. If you were to ask me what my feelings on same-sex marriage were, I'd reply with an "I don't care" more often than not.

Obviously changed my tune when I realized how stupid and flimsy my internal explanations for how I totally wasn't gay were and "came out" to myself. Support for gay rights followed, naturally.

Though I'm sure I'd have come around anyway, even if I wasn't gay.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...
 
I was never anti gay marriage but I didn't really consider LGBT rights to be something I should be cognizant of before friends started coming out.

We've had legalized gay marriage in MA for a little under half my life though, it's been normal for me.
 
I would say that I was homophobe back in high school, but that was because I didn't know any better. One of my classmate, who was lesbian, changed my mind. I realized that I did not have a rational argument that would support my homophobic view.

In University, I had one very good friend go from devote homophobic Christian to coming out of closet. He was actually a bit surprised of how supportive I was. Couple of years before his coming out, he asked me if I would be disappointed if my future child said s/he is gay. I said no. But he said that he would feel like it was his fault that the child turned out gay. I can only imagine how much it was eating him from the inside. No top of that his father is a pastor, fortunately his sisters are supportive.
 
I am still figuring it out. As a Christian it comes down to the fact that I don't believe it is right, but I also dont believe it is my place to judge. Jesus said love one another. I as a Christian should love all others as I love myself. A sin is a sin and I sin as do all. It is not my place to judge, but I also should not be open and okay with sin. This is where my questioning comes in. I don't claim to be all knowing. Just trying to figure it out.
 
I've always been pro-gay rights, but I used to think that Civil Unions were the way to go, marriage had to be a man and women, etc. Not a very strongly held belief, but it was there.

Seems silly now.
 
I thought about it a lot and yes, I believe they're much worse.
Kids at school will make his life a living hell.
That just what I believe, at least.

Wait, let me get this right...you believe that a child who's raised by 2 loving gay parents would be worse off than a child that is being raised by hetero parents where one and/or both are abusive (physically/emotionally/sexually)?
 
I thought about it a lot and yes, I believe they're much worse.
Kids at school will make his life a living hell.
That just what I believe, at least.

Your beliefs are bad.

Stop trying to pass off your statements as acceptable because you believe them.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...

So you would rather the child be left to rot in the foster care system than be adopted into a loving home?

Fuck that garbage.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...

You'd rather ban a child from growing up in a loving home environment because of the potential of a stigma by other people? What's your opinion on children being allowed to be brought up in terrible straight home environments?
 
As someone who grew up in a smallish Australian town out in the country that had locals of all types including Lesbian couples and gay couples, some of which had kids from previous relationships. It never once occurred to me until I was older that it was a big deal to the rest of the world, as a kid I realized these people were different from a regular man or woman, but it was just one of those things where it just made me think "Oh I guess other kinds of couples exist too, fair enough"

I did always wonder why these couples weren't married yet lived together for years and it took me a long time to know why that was, when I did I was kind of baffled that it was a problem or that it wasn't legal for them to be married, they were regular people like anyone else I knew and I just thought it was common sense that it was okay.

So of course I support it, I've just never made a big deal out of it because to me there shouldn't be anything about this that causes a fuss, it should just be common sense that it's fine, why wouldn't it be?

But, I guess the world is just like that sometimes.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...

I get what you mean but it comes out as concern trolling in a way, because the problem is not on the fault of the gay couple or the child but rather with the environment and the way you change the environment is absolutely not by avoiding the issue.

Let's be honest, social stigma comes out in a lot of dumb stupid places, it's no reason to feed into it
 
I was raised in a conservative Christian home (Southern Baptist) so was conditioned from a young age to believe that homosexuality was a sin. It was always presented as a conscious choice to dabble in the most sexually deviant behaviors, not as love or even normal romantic attraction. The AIDs epidemic was used as a form of fear mongering, and the stereotype that LGBT+ people were promiscuous, sinful, and unnatural was repeated ad nauseam.

Unfortunately I bought into this thinking hook, line, and sinker (despite being bisexual/pansexual myself) throughout my preteen and teenage years. My mindset began to change when I was about 17, after talking to a homosexual man that a friend of mine worked with, only to discover (to my shock) that he was a perfectly nice and normal person.

It was somewhat of a rough process after that point, the beliefs I was raised to accept without question weren't easy to disregard, and once you realize that one part of the doctrine you've clung to doesn't hold up, the entire belief system falls apart. This caused a bit of an existential crisis for me.

In short - yes I was against gay marriage when I was young and being spoon fed other people's beliefs, but then I grew the fuck up and realized that love has little to do with a person's genitals and it's no one else's business who you love to begin with.
 
I am still figuring it out. As a Christian it comes down to the fact that I don't believe it is right, but I also dont believe it is my place to judge. Jesus said love one another. I as a Christian should love all others as I love myself. A sin is a sin and I sin as do all. It is not my place to judge, but I also should not be open and okay with sin. This is where my questioning comes in. I don't claim to be all knowing. Just trying to figure it out.
Well most things people do are sins. In the bible Divorce being bad is a much bigger topic but people are just fine with that sin.
 
I used to think that it shouldn't be legalized. I'm a Christian. But I've changed over the years, especially as the political fight got bitter and brutal.

Even though I agree the Bible labels any sexual acts outside a married relationship between a man and a woman as sexual immorality/sin, I eventually agreed that this should have NO bearing on the legal rights of a human to do as they wish. Even if the Christian God thinks it's immoral, separation of church and state means that gay couples should have the legal, political right to do it because it has important ramifications on their lives that they are lacking without the right to marry.

As a Christian, I actually wish my fellow believers would have let people do as they wish and stopped fighting so hard against this cause. It did nothing but embitter gays and non-Christians against the gospel, cause hatred and bickering, and divide our nation. That is not what Jesus would have wanted us to do. He would have wanted us to be straightforward and truthful about what the Word of God says, but we are in NO position to police people on spiritual/moral matters!! Jesus never did that. He spoke boldly but manipulated/controlled no one, especially legally/politically!

If you are not a Christian, and you don't have the Holy Spirit within you, you don't profess to follow God's commands, then the Bible means nothing to you, so why do my brothers try to beat people over the head with it? I wouldn't want a Jew or Muslim to force me what I can and cannot eat because I do not ascribe to their set of moral standards. Similarly, non-Christians don't ascribe to our standards, and as long as what gays are doing doesn't infringe on my American freedoms or hurt me or society, then I shouldn't stand in their way.



I believe that the struggle on religious people's side against gay people has only hurt the gospel. Which I believe dishonors God.

In conclusion, I don't mind what happened on Friday. To confuse all of you even more, I identify as bisexual (though mostly gay).

My greatest hope is that legal gay marriage being decided will remove one awful obstacle in between discussions of the gospel, and hopefully Christians can get back to figuring out how to love and embrace the LGBTQ community instead of fighting bitterly to keep them from legal rights they should have in this country.

I agree completely with this. I do not get why some Christians have fought so hard for keeping same-sex marriage illegal. Everyone should have the same rights even if you support gay marriage or not in and of itself. Even when it was illegal, people were still getting married. It just was not recognized by law. With that in mind, how does it being legal change anything anyway? Why are those people exploding with hatred about this issue?

No one comes to Christ in hatred. Only in love. I don't know why the Christians who have fought against this do not get that. Why would people want anything with the message of the Bible they were getting thumped in the head with it with such hatred and disrespect? That just fires up my temper! And this is coming from a Christian.

Christians like that need to respect other people's beliefs and go on with their lives.
 
Well most things people do are sins. In the bible Divorce being bad is a much bigger topic but people are just fine with that sin.

That's the problem with the stance that Christians have on gay marriage, as much as they always try to deny it, the outdated aspects that are no longer accepted (such as saying that slaves should obey their master) is chalked up to being a part of the outdated culture of that time (even though just a few decades ago this same verse was used in the South to support keeping slavery legal), but things that are still controversial are magically still relevant somehow.

The Bible has been used time and time again to oppress various groups of people - minorities, women, and LGBT+ being the most relevant for the last couple of generations.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...

Ahh yes the tried and tested 100% effective way of ending bigotry: punishing the victims of bigotry.

Fucking brilliant.
 
For now,Im against adopting children for Gay couples, not because i believe they are any worse or better than "normal" couples, but because the social stigma is going to hurt the child, im talking for how the environment is around here so maybe on other places there is more tolerance, but still...
Mm. And there are gay children up for adoption too, but then they could bring social stigma to whatever family they're adopted to! Best solution there is to not let anyone adopt them.

Saving children from potential humiliation by denying them loving families. That's the American way.
 
Some of my earliest posts here are now Old Shame because I was arguing against gay marriage. Since then, thanks to GAF and life experience, I have come to understand that my objections were specious and I had little empathy or understanding of the situation. I changed my mind about two years ago because I realized finally that I had no right to keep them from marriage, just as they have no right to keep heterosexuals from marriage. That showed me how absurd I had been.
 
I am still figuring it out. As a Christian it comes down to the fact that I don't believe it is right, but I also dont believe it is my place to judge. Jesus said love one another. I as a Christian should love all others as I love myself. A sin is a sin and I sin as do all. It is not my place to judge, but I also should not be open and okay with sin. This is where my questioning comes in. I don't claim to be all knowing. Just trying to figure it out.

If your religion tells you that someone being born a certain way is a sin, it's time you question your religion. I encourage you to.
 
I am still figuring it out. As a Christian it comes down to the fact that I don't believe it is right, but I also dont believe it is my place to judge. Jesus said love one another. I as a Christian should love all others as I love myself. A sin is a sin and I sin as do all. It is not my place to judge, but I also should not be open and okay with sin. This is where my questioning comes in. I don't claim to be all knowing. Just trying to figure it out.
I can respect that, I don't think it's a sign of human decency to dismiss someone else's entire belief system when they are going to the effort of trying to understand a different part of life and trying to find a sensible middle ground within their beliefs.
One extreme is usually just as impractical and ineffective as the other.
 
I am still figuring it out. As a Christian it comes down to the fact that I don't believe it is right, but I also dont believe it is my place to judge. Jesus said love one another. I as a Christian should love all others as I love myself. A sin is a sin and I sin as do all. It is not my place to judge, but I also should not be open and okay with sin. This is where my questioning comes in. I don't claim to be all knowing. Just trying to figure it out.
Be calm knowing that the only parts on the bible pertaining to homosexualism come from:

- Leviticus: The horrible book with guidelines about stonning your daughters and treating your slaves. That doesn't come from God.

-Paul's letter to the Romans: Paul didn't meet Jesus, and he was a murderer who started preaching to avoid judgment (while judging everything and everyone). He's closer to those jail pastors than the Apostles.

Jesus said "I'm the truth and the life, only through me you shall reach my father" so as a christian you have to have faith in that every stone on the path to salvation comes from Jesus, and he didn't condemn homosexuality, and he was not a man to forget important things. He also valued love over everything else in the world. That's where your confidence in the right thing should come from.
 
I don't know if it counts, but about ten years ago I can remember thinking "civil unions" were an acceptable compromise as long as they had all the same recognitions under the law. But since then I started to care about it more; I was affected by it personally when my sister became a teenager and came out as gay, and after that "separate but equal" was not gonna cut it.
 
So you would rather the child be left to rot in the foster care system than be adopted into a loving home?

Fuck that garbage.

You'd rather ban a child from growing up in a loving home environment because of the potential of a stigma by other people? What's your opinion on children being allowed to be brought up in terrible straight home environments?

I get what you mean but it comes out as concern trolling in a way, because the problem is not on the fault of the gay couple or the child but rather with the environment and the way you change the environment is absolutely not by avoiding the issue.

Let's be honest, social stigma comes out in a lot of dumb stupid places, it's no reason to feed into it

Ahh yes the tried and tested 100% effective way of ending bigotry: punishing the victims of bigotry.

Fucking brilliant.
well, thats an issue, im not going to deny that my current opinion is wrong but, i , guess i see it step by step.pushing Gay Marriage is good for now,and that would be next but i think we need a little time first to accept things..

Of course, you can criticise me for being passive its deserved.
 
I"m not afraid to admit I was straight up a bigot in the past. You can blame it on Christian doctrination and whatnot, but I grew up a bigot and remained one (when it came to homosexuals) even after I started moving away from Christianity in my teens. I reversed my opinion around the time I graduated from high school and one of my friends since adolescence came out. Up to that point, gays were more or less boogeymen, some abstract foreign group that I defined without even knowing them. Wasn't until my friend came out and after meeting many others that I realized I was living in a bubble of ignorance.

I'm sure my experiences mirror quite a few others here, even if they don't want to admit their former bigotry. It's ok to admit when you're wrong. The important step is admittance and figuring out how to change for the better.
 
Be calm knowing that the only parts on the bible pertaining to homosexualism come from:

- Leviticus: The horrible book with guidelines about stonning your daughters and treating your slaves. That doesn't come from God.

-Paul's letter to the Romans: Paul didn't meet Jesus, and he was a murderer who started preaching to avoid judgment (while judging everything and everyone). He's closer to those jail pastors than the Apostles.

Jesus said "I'm the truth and the life, only through me you shall reach my father" so as a christian you have to have faith in that every stone on the path to salvation comes from Jesus, and he didn't condemn homosexuality, and he was not a man to forget important things. He also valued love over everything else in the world. That's where your confidence in the right thing should come from.

This is all true, minus the fact that Paul wrote about homosexuality in more than just the book of Romans, but he was still the author of every verse that condemns homosexuality in the New Testament. I believe there are 3 verses in total from the New Testament that refer to homosexuality being a sin.

Unfortunately the issue is that Christians are taught that every word of the bible is the perfect divine word of God. The Old Testament is only taken with a grain of salt because with Jesus' arrival and subsequent death/resurrection, the "old ways" were abolished - following strict rules and moral codes was no longer the key to staying within the grace of God. Jesus' sacrifice allows everyone to be "saved" from their sins and enter the kingdom of heaven, but sin is still sin, and the New Testament mentions quite a few of these sins by name - as we all know, homosexuality is included in this, which is why it is condemned by Christians. The way most Christians try to balance Jesus' message of love and acceptance with the condemnation of the teachings of Paul is through the "Hate the sin, love the sinner" mentality. We see how that turns out though, people in the LGBT+ community don't feel loved by Christians, they feel persecuted. And yet most Christians continue to turn a blind eye to this and stay in denial of their own grave failings.

It's also worth noting that it is also taught in Christianity that all sins are equal. Therefore homosexuality should be seen as no worse than telling a lie or driving over the speed limit, but it is clearly not viewed in the same light. I am no longer a Christian, but I still believe in the power of some verses, one of which is simply "Love covers a multitude of sins." That is the way that Christians should be living their lives - full of love and acceptance, not judgement and condemnation.
 
well, thats an issue, im not going to deny that my current opinion is wrong but, i , guess i see it step by step.pushing Gay Marriage is good for now,and that would be next but i think we need a little time first to accept things..

Of course, you can criticise me for being passive its deserved.

it's cool man
 
Was anti before, but looking back it was more a matter of time for me.

I grew up in a religious household that took the "don't identify with either party" stance, yet remember, that despite this, my parents held some very liberal points of view, were supportive of minorities, and were very concerned about humanitarian issues. They would often agree with actions or policies more liberal politicians held/did.

I especially remember any human rights issues around the globe being a topic of discussion. To this day, foreign policy and humanitarian issues are the two parts of politics that matter the MOST to me.

On top of that, GAF and a personal experience of someone close to me helped close the deal. Internet arguments have a bigger impact than people think.

It was really a matter of time, and my views aligning early with what I heard my parents say versus what they professed, and expanding away from them as I got older.. Mind you, they aren't pro gay marriage, but I can see myself making a case in the future, or at least improving their position.

Happened in early high school for me
 
If your religion tells you that someone being born a certain way is a sin, it's time you question your religion. I encourage you to.

I disagree.

Well most things people do are sins. In the bible Divorce being bad is a much bigger topic but people are just fine with that sin.

I don't believe in divorce. But I also don't judge people for it. That is between them and God.
 
Oddly enough, I never had homophobia pressed on me growing up. Sure, my dad was mildly racist from time to time, but there was never much talk about homosexuality in my household.

As I got older, I simply became more open-minded. I always wanted to make people happy so holding to this ideal that makes a huge swath of people unhappy wasn't something I was interested in.

At 25 years old, I continue to think that way. It is not my concern what a loving couple wants to do with their lives and I never want to impede on someone else's happiness.

Seeing and hearing the objections to the SCOTUS ruling has left me sick. Unfortunately, my wife and I are a couple of liberal minded young adults in a family full of conservative white washers. I love them, but I can't stand their narrow-mindedness.
 
Be calm knowing that the only parts on the bible pertaining to homosexualism come from:

- Leviticus: The horrible book with guidelines about stonning your daughters and treating your slaves. That doesn't come from God.

-Paul's letter to the Romans: Paul didn't meet Jesus, and he was a murderer who started preaching to avoid judgment (while judging everything and everyone). He's closer to those jail pastors than the Apostles.

Jesus said "I'm the truth and the life, only through me you shall reach my father" so as a christian you have to have faith in that every stone on the path to salvation comes from Jesus, and he didn't condemn homosexuality, and he was not a man to forget important things. He also valued love over everything else in the world. That's where your confidence in the right thing should come from.

So my basic outlook on this currently is this: the fornication between two people is the sin. So being married and loving each other, being Gay or straight is acceptable to me. You love who you love. It is the sexual acts that, in my eyes make it sinful. I am not saying that is correct, because I am not a biblical scholar by any means, just my interruption and belief at this time. As a Christian I am always in search of understanding.
 
Was raised in an extremely Catholic home, was homophobic pretty much up until high school, and then I realized I was a dumb jackass not forming my own opinions. Now I'm pretty adamant in supporting it.
 
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