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Has the PS5 already cemented itself as the worst Playstation generation in history?
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FoxMcChief
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Worst generation ever. I’ve said it for at least the last 2 years. And with Sonys NUMEROUS amount of cancelled titles, we will see even fewer PS5 exclusives.
Nintendo was smart on exiting the graphics race and sticking to their own lane. All while still staying King of console sales.
Nintendo was smart on exiting the graphics race and sticking to their own lane. All while still staying King of console sales.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
You either dont play third party games or play them elsewhere, which means you aren’t the average ps5 consumer
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Best generation ever tbh, Microsoft now releasing their games on PlayStation means I don’t need an Xbox
I can see how it would be the worst for a primarily Xbox gamer though
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Luckily there was only 12 of them.
But it’s not like the Xbox games aren’t coming. And if anything, Sony should be thankful they’re coming. Not much on the Horizon as far as non-cancelled exclusives. So they need as many games as possible from anyone.
Long Far Gone
Member
Playstation 5 has been profitable for Sony so far.
Playstation 3 was the worst because it almost killed them off entirely, and a lot of the games released were truly awful.
I still remember Haze being described as the Halo Killer.
Playstation 3 was the worst because it almost killed them off entirely, and a lot of the games released were truly awful.
I still remember Haze being described as the Halo Killer.
Moonjt9
No Silksong? = Delivering the pain.
Amen brother. I’ve never had so much easy fun as I’ve had with ps5. I’ve been playing more than ever.
I think ps3 was the worst. So bad I skipped it. And I got to play all the good games from that gen on ps5. Another one for ps5.
I bought my PS5 at releaseday, bought the headset and the chargerstation(3 or 4 controllers during the years, couse they are pure shitquality) and its hooked up to a samsung q75 65" from 2020 with hdmi 2.1 and VRR(not good but not totaly shit). Played alot on it, but switched between PS5 and PC. Since a year i just use the PS5 when i want to lay in the sofa and watch youtube, i dont play at all on it. I feel that its just so much better to sit at my pc, everything feels just better on a pc. And my pc is not good, its just a 3070 and a I711700. I dont think its the PS5, its just that i might be done with consoles, for gaming.
mayham2199
Member
I wouldn't have come back to console if it wasn't for 60 FPS being common now. I can't stand PC gaming but 30 FPS is even worse. I got to use to it on my PC and just couldn't go back.
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kaizenkko
Member
Even with the ridiculous live service push, I can see PS5 generation receiving a good bunch of Sony's first-party/second-party funded games:
2025: Ghost of Yotei, Death Stranding 2, Firesprite's new game
2026: Intergalactic, Wolverine, Housemarque's new game
2027: Cory's Barlog new IP, Horizon 3, Stellar Blade 2
2028: Spider-Man 3, TLOU3, new Team Asobi's game
Also, people in this forum have spend years saying that ps4 has no games, and now the same is happening with the ps5. lol
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Plenty on the horizon with death stranding 2, ghost of yotei, Wolverine, and intergalactic which will be followed by titles from Housemarque and Sony Santa Monica
But yes the value proposition of owning a PlayStation has never been better now that Halo, Gears, Fable, Perfect Dark, etc will now be on their system
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Spiral1407
Member
Logically it would have to be. The RSX is inferior to Xenos in multiple ways, so the only way a PS3 ever could punch above 360 would be because of CELL. If you look at the GDC talks, you'll see how much they utilized CELL for a variety graphical tasks in KZ2, or how they developed an entirely new SPE based AA technique for GoW 3. Some of this is obviously down to developer talent, but do you really think the 360s Xenon could do all this by itself?
As for the PS4/XB1, that is an entirely different situation. The Xbox one was inferior to the PS4 in pretty much every way, while sharing the same CPU and GPU architecture, so obviously it's games looked worse 90% of the time. In contrast, PS3 has a major CPU and storage advantage over 360, alongside a few bonuses like: a lack of EDRAM framebuffer restrictions, better texture filtering, a 100GFLOP FP32 advantage or lower memory latency (for the XDR).
And as for linearity, it pretty much is the same. Afaik, all their studios other than sucker punch (who were always making open world games anyways), bend and insomniac (who still make the linear R&C games) focus on linear games to this day.
Juja
Neo Member
I would be really disappointed in the PS5 if I ever had a PS4, but I skipped that entire Playstation generation. I pretty much just use my PS5 as a PS4 Pro+. It's mostly my Resident Evil machine, and I got crazy deals on some of them. REmake 4 Gold for $30, RE VIllage Gold for $20, RE7 Gold for $15, and the craziest deal of all - The Raccoon City Collection (REmake 2 AND 3 plus some online game) for only $10. It definitely paid off for me to be a patient gamer this time.
MacReady13
Member
This is pretty much the correct answer. This gen isn’t over yet so I’d still have PS4 worse than PS5 but by the end of this gen, PS5 will easily be the worst for PlayStation.
Gamerfan81
Member
As a PC gamer, I consider the PS5 the greatest generation, because they started porting a lot more games to PC. Thank you Sony.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
lol so you never played it and you think its the worst? Hilarious.
And Sony only ported the Uncharted games, TLOU and GOW3.
The following great games were never ported:
KZ2
KZ3
Infamous 1
Infamous 2
LBP
LBP2
Warhawk
GT5
Ratchet Future Tools of Destruction
Ratchet Crack in Time
MGS4
Motorstorm
Motorstorm Pacific Rift
Motorstorm Apocalypse
$170 more. The base slim comes with 1tb ssd not 2tb.
wait until they bring out a true handheld that plays PS5 games and hooks to your tv. You'll have another ~5 years of this generation after it takes off and Sony abandons the traditional console.
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I made a list for some of them before, I don't remember when, and they called it the periodic table.
STARSBarry
Gold Member
You know this thread was like an epiphany for me.
"No playstation had a really rough launch with the PS3... but then the PS3 became one of my favorite generations after Sony got their act together."
And I realised yeah... for me as the type of Sony player who wants single player story games from them, the PS5 fucking sucks. I have the Pro, but until Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii I won't be playing much on it.
Half the games are just remake of PS4 games.
"No playstation had a really rough launch with the PS3... but then the PS3 became one of my favorite generations after Sony got their act together."
And I realised yeah... for me as the type of Sony player who wants single player story games from them, the PS5 fucking sucks. I have the Pro, but until Pirate Yakuza in Hawaii I won't be playing much on it.
Half the games are just remake of PS4 games.
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ToneyJ
Member
Yeah, and I'm someone that doesnt really care for Sony first party anymore, so the amount of games I played on PS5 this gen can be counted on two hands. It's become a GaaS machine for me due to a lack of good traditional games.
edit: 2024 was a great year for me though with Tekken 8, Unicorn Overlord, Astro Bot and Stellar Blade.
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Saber
Member
I was honestly divided.
PS5 by all means its a great piece of console. Sure the hud(or whatever is called the ui of main screen) sucks ass, but hey its silent machine and it loads fast.
But then I asked myself, for fucking what? Bunch of soy projects, full focus on stupid GaaS games and horrendous reason to even keep a PS5. Imagine doing PS directs and thinking "hey maybe theres a treat for the fans" only to show a bunch of ports to PC. Imagine if Nintendo showed a Nintendo Direct games that isn't focused on their Switch users, its uter ridiculous.
And don't get me on the woke Sony games. Yes they are woke and they don't even had hadn't the balls to stand to their views on certain countries.
This generation was so brainrot that I literally broke all my support for their first party games. I don't remember the last time I bough one. The last interest I had on a Sony game was perhaps on this Ghost sequel, but even being dubious about this route earned me a tag of problematic because the character is a girl and you all know if I don't like well thats what you get.
I was trully considering PS3. But PS3 gave me the games, thats all that trully matters. PS5 didn't gave me shit and did more harm than good. To the point of considering abandoning the brand for good. Because just answer, what do I lost moving away from them? Nothing, on the contrary I can have anything I want from Nintendo, something I wouldn't consider heavy investing for quite a time. Nothing of value is lost quitting on Sony games, and this doesn't even have anything to do with PC. I lost all my interest, Sony kill my interest.
PS5 by all means its a great piece of console. Sure the hud(or whatever is called the ui of main screen) sucks ass, but hey its silent machine and it loads fast.
But then I asked myself, for fucking what? Bunch of soy projects, full focus on stupid GaaS games and horrendous reason to even keep a PS5. Imagine doing PS directs and thinking "hey maybe theres a treat for the fans" only to show a bunch of ports to PC. Imagine if Nintendo showed a Nintendo Direct games that isn't focused on their Switch users, its uter ridiculous.
And don't get me on the woke Sony games. Yes they are woke and they don't even had hadn't the balls to stand to their views on certain countries.
This generation was so brainrot that I literally broke all my support for their first party games. I don't remember the last time I bough one. The last interest I had on a Sony game was perhaps on this Ghost sequel, but even being dubious about this route earned me a tag of problematic because the character is a girl and you all know if I don't like well thats what you get.
I was trully considering PS3. But PS3 gave me the games, thats all that trully matters. PS5 didn't gave me shit and did more harm than good. To the point of considering abandoning the brand for good. Because just answer, what do I lost moving away from them? Nothing, on the contrary I can have anything I want from Nintendo, something I wouldn't consider heavy investing for quite a time. Nothing of value is lost quitting on Sony games, and this doesn't even have anything to do with PC. I lost all my interest, Sony kill my interest.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Right there with you as I really enjoyed the PS3 as well even though it gets a lot of hate
I too have a Pro and its just a 3rd party machine mainly
FOR ME (just an option here people don't get out the pitchforks) I think outside of maybe Astrobot that companies exclusives are creatively bankrupt and nothing makes me go wow I am really happy I played that again outside of Astro
snapdragon
Member
the cope is strong with this one
aclar00
Member
I dont know how the hell PS4 is ahead of PS3 in votes, but the PS4 essentially started the downward spiral of Playstation thats lead to abysmal PS5. I can only guess age demographics skew the poll.
No backwards compatabilty (gift and a curse), removal of multimedia features, removal of start and select (fuckers), began the 5-7 year game cycle, pushed subscription services, pushed DLC and pay to win....
For all the purported Cell developmental issues PS3 had, Sony sure as hell churned out more 1st party games.
No backwards compatabilty (gift and a curse), removal of multimedia features, removal of start and select (fuckers), began the 5-7 year game cycle, pushed subscription services, pushed DLC and pay to win....
For all the purported Cell developmental issues PS3 had, Sony sure as hell churned out more 1st party games.
Bond007
Member
To this point? Probably.
The console itself has been fine to me so far. What Sony has put out I have fully enjoyed along with what their Third Party partnerships have in between. Truth is- they have zero competition to put this stuff out quickly.
I full expect Sony to fully give us the goods in the later half. Time will tell where it falls - but it's def behind the power curve on first party output. PS3 finished super strong - the same can happen here and i fully expect it to. Sony already mentioned 2024 was gonna be slow first party wise- and they held true to that. lol
The console itself has been fine to me so far. What Sony has put out I have fully enjoyed along with what their Third Party partnerships have in between. Truth is- they have zero competition to put this stuff out quickly.
I full expect Sony to fully give us the goods in the later half. Time will tell where it falls - but it's def behind the power curve on first party output. PS3 finished super strong - the same can happen here and i fully expect it to. Sony already mentioned 2024 was gonna be slow first party wise- and they held true to that. lol
lakitu1982
Member
For me:
1. Playstaion 1
2. Playstation 2
3. Playstation 3
4. Playstation 4
5. Playstation 5
I'm seeing a theme here.
1. Playstaion 1
2. Playstation 2
3. Playstation 3
4. Playstation 4
5. Playstation 5
I'm seeing a theme here.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
If you’re talking COVID(?), fair point I guess.
But every other industry is back to normal the past couple years. And most other companies doing business and products also went through the hassle of port strikes, trucker strikes, and a lot more back to the office work. everything seems chill. Not too many industries can have companies doing digital file sharing for workers and digital downloads for customers at a whim.
I thought WFH was suppose to be ultimate productivity booster as people save time and energy commuting, gas, and wasting time talking at the water cooler. So any company with a big wfh focus should be firing on all cylinders.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Nope, the reality is strong, I posted a huge lineup of high quality games, if you disagree you have poor taste
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Says the dude that loves him some recycled CoD comfort food that hasn’t had a single creative thing done to the franchise since it started
Radical_3d
Member
Sony cancels 5 billion GaaS and still have more in line to be released and the fault that this gen is trash is COVID, huh?
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Juja
Neo Member
Probably the same for me, but I lump 4 and 5 together since I skipped PS4. Considering that, I might actually put PS4/5 above PS3 just for the amount of cheap but amazing Resident Evil games available. I think PS1 is by far the best, though. Sooo many good JRPGs, a whole Resident Evil trilogy, the OG Silent Hill and MGS, and also a fair amount of quirky little games like Parappa, Tomba, and Blasto.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I enjoy shooters
I never said there was anything wrong with enjoying creatively bankrupt series
I just don’t see how that’s an issue, most games are just refinements of what’s done before.
But apparently certain companies have different categories of judgment than others
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
That's pretty rich coming from you
Romulus
Member
Logically it would have to be. The RSX is inferior to Xenos in multiple ways, so the only way a PS3 ever could punch above 360 would be because of CELL. If you look at the GDC talks, you'll see how much they utilized CELL for a variety graphical tasks in KZ2, or how they developed an entirely new SPE based AA technique for GoW 3. Some of this is obviously down to developer talent, but do you really think the 360s Xenon could do all this by itself?
As for the PS4/XB1, that is an entirely different situation. The Xbox one was inferior to the PS4 in pretty much every way, while sharing the same CPU and GPU architecture, so obviously it's games looked worse 90% of the time. In contrast, PS3 has a major CPU and storage advantage over 360, alongside a few bonuses like: a lack of EDRAM framebuffer restrictions, better texture filtering, a 100GFLOP FP32 advantage or lower memory latency (for the XDR).
And as for linearity, it pretty much is the same. Afaik, all their studios other than sucker punch (who were always making open world games anyways), bend and insomniac (who still make the linear R&C games) focus on linear games to this day.
A cpu handling more tasks because the gpu isn't capable enough isn't an argument for the cell, it's more of an argument for it lacking as a well rounded platform. It was forced to do all those things.
Bur I see what you're saying. The cell would have to be the catalyst because everything else was lacking. But in the end, I don't think there's a single game on ps3 that couldn't be done on 360, some might have even has advantages if built from the ground up by Sony developers. I've always believed that time is one of the most valuable resources with development, and the 360 architecture was not only easier to use(saving alot of time) but it was easier to push because it was well rounded.
The disparity between Xbox one and ps4 was marginal at best. Developer working on both would tell you the advantage for ps4 was chewed up the the resolution bump to 1080p, as many games were 720p-900p on xbox. I read the comparisons from developers all through that generation and they were very similar.
However the exclusive games looked incredibly good compared to Xbox one games despite this because Sony developer prowess is a real thing. Xbox never had that level of talent.
The number of larger games wasn't the same. Uncharted ps3 and KZ were incredibly linear. Shadowfall flexed with more open ended levels as did UC4. UC4 level in Africa could now be done without the restrictive feel of previous games.
God of War on ps3 was exceptionally linear to the point the camera couldn't even be rotated to save resources.
ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
The average PS4 user wasn't playing all of the exclusives either. But there's a reason why the PS5 will end up selling 10-20 million less. Sorry James, but there's no excuse.
cinnamonandgravy
Member
ps3 was the last gen with any real luster
even though they flew too close to the sun and straight 'tarded themselves--have to respect the ambition though
even though they flew too close to the sun and straight 'tarded themselves--have to respect the ambition though
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Because it costs more, Sony’s active user base is the largest it’s ever been
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ProtoByte
Weeb Underling
1, we don't have the data of the PS3 crossover during the PS4 gen probably because they weren't collecting that data. In any case, these people on PS4 are on PS4 because they're playing old games - because the new games aren't compelling enough.
2, this is Microsoft's talking point. Do not provide the groundwork for PlayStation to wind up like them.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I’m not even convinced ps5 will sell less
GTA has yet to come out and their competition is going third party
If ps5 gets price drops + gta6 and ps6 doesn’t release until 2028 or later, ps5 is probably going to have a long tail. Especially since ps6 cross gen will be even more of a factor for longer
64gigabyteram
Reverse groomer.
how is ps1 better than ps2
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I could see if it someone likes JRPGs.
PS1 was a better system than ps2 for those
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