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[Spiral1407]

2011 and 2013 don't exactly suffer in terms of quantity, but rather of quality; Killzone 3, Motorstorm: Apocalypse, Uncharted 3, Sly Cooper: Thieves in Time (I don't like the series as a whole, but this one in particular is even worse than 3), God of War Ascension and Gran Turismo 6 were all disappointing and VERY inferior sequels, with a lot of them also straight up bombing.
There are bright spots, sure; LittleBigPlanet 2, Infamous 2, Resistance 3, The Last of Us, Rain and Ratchet & Clank: Into the Nexus, but that's kinda it? The problem is that those years are mostly filled with actual bad to garbage games among the likes of Ratchet & Clank: All 4 One, Beyond: Two Souls, and virtually every PS Move title (as bad as the EyeToy stuff on PS2).
I may be biased for 2007, but a year with Folklore, Everybody's Golf 5, Boku no Natusyasumi 3, Warhawk, Ratchet & Clank Future: Tools of Destruction and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (which wasn't that good, but it gets points for launching such an important IP)? It's just... *chef's kiss*

'07 was literally the PS3s worst year in sales so I don't think many people would agree with you...

PS3 had 3rd party games that ran at 30fps that were 60fps on Xbox 360.

For that reason, I say ps3 was the worst.

I can only think of two games that were like that (bayonetta and COD3) and both were clearly lazy ports. 360 generally had a performance advantage, but it wasn't a 30fps gap lol

PS3 was worse. It had some gems but the hardware was a steaming pile of shit.

PS4 was also crappy hardware (for different reasons) but nobody ever brings that up

 

[onQ123]

Ps1 100+ games I liked
PS2 200+ games I liked
Ps3 80+ games I liked
Ps4 200+ games I liked

The PS5 I could count 5 serious exclusives and 10 + 3rd party games, it's not over yet but we surely live in an age where missing anything worthy is not an option.

Did the 200+ PS4 games you liked stop working on PS5?

There is no possible way for PS4 to be better than PS5 other than you holding your mind in a prison by saying this game doesn't count because it's playable elsewhere.

 

[SHA]

I don't get it.

Every new generation we get fewer games
and Sony is part of the problem.

 

[Romulus]

PS4 was also crappy hardware (for different reasons) but nobody ever brings that up

They were both bad but at least ps4 x86 was easier on developers. Ps3 was a pile of shit and also crazy difficult to develop for.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Another thing Sony has been shitty about, both this gen and last, and the one before that, is their internet servers go down frequently, like right now. With so much depending on their online games, their subscriptions, their digital content etc. fix that shit Sony when you have so much riding on online.

 

[Crayon]

Sometimes I wonder if I just have low standards in general.

 

[Spiral1407]

They were both bad but at least ps4 x86 was easier on developers. Ps3 was a pile of shit and also crazy difficult to develop for.

The difference is that CELL could truly shine when programmed for correctly. The PS4 didn't have that option, it was stuck with its abysmal CPU performance for the entire gen.

 

[Pasta la Vista]

It has and the Pro is the most useless piece of shit of an upgrade. For what games? Like maybe 10? You fools that bought it got swindled.

 

[SHA]

Did the 200+ PS4 games you liked stop working on PS5?

There is no possible way for PS4 to be better than PS5 other than you holding your mind in a prison by saying this game doesn't count because it's playable elsewhere.

I put effort like in every generation and move on and visit what I missed. I appreciate free upgrades but original games are different, you could tell like the last of us they squeezed every inch in the system, these games are one step ahead, definitely not in the same category.

 

[nial]

'07 was literally the PS3s worst year in sales so I don't think many people would agree with you...

Being a $599 console in the late 2000s has way more to do with that, bro.

Every new generation we get fewer games
and Sony is part of the problem.

Sure, but most of that comes down to rising development times and costs.
Come on, people here act like Sony only publishes 1 or 2 games per year, and they will go on their way to discredit the externally-developed itles of this gen (like Ronin and Stellar Blade), while at the same time praising previous consoles for the exact same thing (think of stuff like Infamous 1-2 or Spider-Man 2018).

 

[Spiral1407]

Being a $599 console in the late 2000s has way more to do with that, bro.

The cheapest model was $499 and it PS3s didn't even drop below $400 until the slim came out. And yet sales were consistently higher in every year other than 2007. This is even with '08 dealing with the full effects of the financial crash

 

[Romulus]

The difference is that CELL could truly shine when programmed for correctly. The PS4 didn't have that option, it was stuck with its abysmal CPU performance for the entire gen.

I never believed the cell hype. Not a single game on ps3 i felt couldn't be done on a similarly priced pc at the time or 360 if Sony developers pushed them. Not to mention it was ram starved and the gpu wasn't good at all.

 

[Spiral1407]

I never believed the cell hype. Not a single game on ps3 i felt couldn't be done on a similarly priced pc at the time or 360 if Sony developers pushed them. Not to mention it was ram starved and the gpu wasn't good at all.

While I think it's overall capabilities were exaggerated by Sony, CELL did boast very impressive SIMD performance and multicore capabilities for a CPU at launch and remained undefeated in those categories for a while. PS3 wins hands down when you compare its best looking exclusives to the 360, which leads me to believe that they wouldn't survive the porting process unscathed (and vice versa for 360 exclusives).

Comparing it to PC is pointless for a number of reasons too

 

[sharp weiner]

'07 was literally the PS3s worst year in sales so I don't think many people would agree with you...

I can only think of two games that were like that (bayonetta and COD3) and both were clearly lazy ports. 360 generally had a performance advantage, but it wasn't a 30fps gap lol

PS4 was also crappy hardware (for different reasons) but nobody ever brings that up

I had to look it up since it’s been so long. The 2008 versions of EA sports games were 30fps. By 2009 they were 60fps on both.

 

[Spiral1407]

I had to look it up since it’s been so long. The 2008 versions of EA sports games were 30fps. By 2009 they were 60fps on both.

Which proves that they were crappy ports. Either way, a +30fps gap between 360 and PS3 was very rare.

 

[Romulus]

While I think it's overall capabilities were exaggerated by Sony, CELL did boast very impressive SIMD performance and multicore capabilities for a CPU at launch and remained undefeated in those categories for a while. PS3 wins hands down when you compare its best looking exclusives to the 360, which leads me to believe that they wouldn't survive the porting process unscathed (and vice versa for 360 exclusives).

Comparing it to PC is pointless for a number of reasons too

It's impossible to really associate the better visuals on ps3 as hardware related when much of it came down to animation and art. To further that point, Sony has the best developers by far, especially back then.
I don't think the games were technically better. Most every exclusive was super linear and even the case of GOW, the camera was restricted from movement. It was all directed at showcasing great art in a very restrictive package. And even then the framerates typically suffered horrendously. Overall, the best developers on the planet couldn't get stable framerates when a generation before, many were pushing 60fps.

 

[TropicanaTwista]

Uhh probably, at least so far. Don't think it's anywhere as drastic as people make it out to be though. Pretty much feel its on par with PS4, maybe a slight downgrade as I felt Horizon forbidden West was worse in every way compared to Zero dawn.

Picking the worst is hard though. PS3 was the oddest generation. Feel like Sony had their highest highs and lowest lows in that gen. Like, the first couple of years were dog shit and probably the worst console I felt I ever bought, then Sony just went on an absolute heater for a couple of years.

Best is easy, PS2 by far.

 

[nial]

The cheapest model was $499 and it PS3s didn't even drop below $400 until the slim came out. And yet sales were consistently higher in every year other than 2007. This is even with '08 dealing with the full effects of the financial crash

But it already dropped to $399 by November 2007, Sony was already entering 2008 with a less expensive starting point.

 

[AngelMuffin]

It’s not even debatable.

 

[Spiral1407]

It's impossible to really associate the better visuals on ps3 as hardware related when much of it came down to animation and art. To further that point, Sony has the best developers by far, especially back then.
I don't think the games were technically better. Most every exclusive was super linear and even the case of GOW, the camera was restricted from movement. It was all directed at showcasing great art in a very restrictive package. And even then the framerates typically suffered horrendously. Overall, the best developers on the planet couldn't get stable framerates when a generation before, many were pushing 60fps.

It's actually pretty logical to assign the superior visuals of PS3 exclusives to the CELL architecture. The SPEs have a SIMD based ISA and so are suited for graphical tasks, which skilled programmers often took advantage off when creating PS3 exclusives. Its one of the few major advantages PS3 actually had over 360, alongside blu-ray and a guaranteed HDD.

Regarding linearity, that hasn't really changed much even today, despite huge improvements in hardware. I think that's just how Sony studios like designing their games, you could even see it with their PS1/PS2 games.

Framerates were horrible that gen because Sony/M$ and game developers pushed for HD when neither console could really handle it. It wasn't a flaw specific to PS3, but a general problem with the industry.

 

[Spiral1407]

But it already dropped to $399 by November 2007, Sony was already entering 2008 with a less expensive starting point.

This was during the financial crash which would balance it out. And that starting price was still $100 more than the competition too.

 

[Radical_3d]

Sometimes I wonder if I just have low standards in general.

 

[dreamcastluvr]

I'm loving my PS5 Pro and the controller is easily my favorite PS controller. With that said, this gen has been the most anemic in the quantity of quality games. Both first party and 3rd party. I realize this gen is not over yet, so I'm really hoping that changes.

In the meantime...

PS2>PS3>PS4>PS1>PS5

 

[EruditeHobo]

C'mon, it's pretty sane compared to all the shit I've read here...

It's not... it's Men In Boxes-level nonsense. Shame on you.

Ps1 100+ games I liked
PS2 200+ games I liked
Ps3 80+ games I liked
Ps4 200+ games I liked

lol please list your "580+ games" so we can compare most of them against what's available for PS5. I'd really love to see that.

I assume you have a spreadsheet or something, since you ballparked these specific numbers. 80+ for PS3? Huh?

 

[Kotaro]

The worst of the worst, and it started at the top Jim Ryan and Herman Hulst

 

[Fess]

The PS exclusives started to come to PC this generation, they release several games per year. So from a PC gamer perspective it has been a great generation. But from a console perspective it is terrible, I basically just played Astro Bot last year.

 

[ArtHands]

The PS exclusives started to come to PC this generation, they release several games per year. So from a PC gamer perspective it has been a great generation. But from a console perspective it is terrible, I basically just played Astro Bot last year.

Yah. PC players would have consider this as the best Playstation generation.

But on the other hand, perhaps they have also realized after playing them, that Playstation first party exclusives are nothing special compared to the numerous Steam games they played, and they get disappointed as a result.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yah. PC players would have consider this as the best Playstation generation.

But on the other hand, perhaps they have also realized after playing them, that Playstation first party exclusives are nothing special compared to the numerous Steam games they played, and they get disappointed as a result.

True. Probably why sales of Sony games on PC are a fraction of PS except for Helldivers 2 which I think is about 50/50-ish. I dont get a feeling all their SP games would be 50/50 sellers if they were day one PC. PC gamers just have more to play, and the typical PC gamer hold true just like decades ago. They are more about depth, replayability, and options. PC gamers due to mindset and PC rigs are always more about mature gaming and complexity like the stereotypical WWII hex gamer which hardly any console gamers would care to play. If they did, there would be tons of these games on console. Sony's heavy hitters are typically short SP games you can blow through in a week if you wanted to. I dont see the avg PC gamer paying $70 for that. If they are that interested, they'll wait for a half price Steam deal. But I can see H2 being a hit. It's caught fire as a MP game (replayability).

Aside from a handful of games like GT, baseball, Demon Souls, practically all their other games have come to PC. So the backlog is mostly done. So it now comes down to a normal cadence of 12-24 month releases for future PC ports. If those games I mentioned havent been on PC yet, they probably never will. The big surprise for me is baseball. Unless the MLB some reason doesnt want it on PC, if there's any sport that can sell on PC is baseball. Its on Xbox and Switch. And MLB the Show even has pure turn based coach mode which PC old timers can play like OOTP. It wont have all the super details of OOTP, but the aesthetics are there.

 

[Fess]

Yah. PC players would have consider this as the best Playstation generation.

But on the other hand, perhaps they have also realized after playing them, that Playstation first party exclusives are nothing special compared to the numerous Steam games they played, and they get disappointed as a result.

Nah the games are great. I just wish they pushed the visuals further on the PC releases. But it is what it is, the porting studios probably have a strict budget.

 

[Fess]

True. Probably why sales of Sony games on PC are a fraction of PS except for Helldivers 2 which I think is about 50/50-ish.

Everything except Helldivers 2 are late releases, that’s why the sales numbers are mid, it’s not about the quality of the games.

 

[Balducci30]

No question

• Demon’s Souls
• Destruction AllStars
• Returnal
• Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart
• Final Fantasy VII Remake Intergrade
• God of war ragnarok
• Horizon Forbidden West
• The Last of Us Part I
• Marvel’s Spider-Man 2
• Gran Turismo 7
• Astro Bot
• Helldivers II
• Horizon Zero Dawn Remastered
• Stellar Blade
• Until Dawn
• The Last of Us Part II Remastered

Half are remasters, remakes and available on ps4 as well. The best ones are what? Astrobot? Returnal? It’s crazy. Am I forgetting some super incredible game that came out?

 

[SkylineRKR]

You like Playstation games. They like Playstation Sales Figures.

Remember Bo_Hazam? He literally didnt care about the games. He said he only cared about the Sony brand. That's what you are seeing here.

The PS3 era is where Sony first party truly came alive. Before the PS3 era, they had just Jak and Daxter, Ratchet, Twisted Metal, a couple of Team Ico games and GOW. The rest were all third party moneyhats that went away as soon as Playstation stumbled. It was then when Sony started investing in studios cultivating them with new IPs like Motorstorm, Warhawk, Uncharted, Infamous, Resistance, TLOU, and yes, KZ2. A game that got a sequel even though the first one bombed, both commercially and critically. But they stuck with it and it literally saved the PS3 from all the bad press E3 2005 and the Cell had generated. It showed people that the cell was indeed a beast and Sony wasn't going to go down without a fight.

But it sold only 250k units in the first month while Halo and Gears were selling 3 and 2 million respectively. So sales fans dismissed games like Infamous and KZ2.

Yes PS3 exclusives didn't sell that well. Sucker Punch, Insomniac and Guerrilla games couldn't really light the charts on fire. Yet Sony purchased these studios. Its commendable because it would've been easy to just axe those IP like MS did. A lot of PS3 games, except for Naughty Dog games, weren't really top sellers. It all exploded on PS4 which was a more popular system from the get go, Horizon sold like 10 times as much as Killzone 2, Tsushima sold like 10 times as much as Infamous, etc. They reaped the rewards because they stuck with these single player games.

 

[sendit]

My PS5 is almost entirely a third-party machine. You know it's bad when you're looking forward to more Xbox "exclusives" than to Playstation ones.

Dear Oxymoron,

Imagine almost knowing what Sony will release, having zero interest in those releases, and still getting a PS5.

Person has to be a complete idiot to do that.

Thanks
- Phil Spencer

 

[Optimus Lime]

The PS5 is a heap of shit. The defense force on this site never fail to make me laugh. What the fuck is there to get excited about?

It just sucks. It's expensive, it has no games, it's packed with subscriptions upon subscriptions, it has an absolutely worthless 'upgrade' in the PS5 Pro, and it's a huge pile of shit. Such a fall from the glory days of the PS2 - every week, another incredible game seemed to come out. It was genuinely exciting.

Sony sucks balls now, and anyone still defending them - and you know who they are on here - have incurable brain worms.

 

[CashPrizes]

Worst post in the thread by far. Some of the games you mentioned were pretty good but they have nothing on the PS2 era. PS2 had banger after banger for years.

Original Xbox was objectively better then PS2 that generation. Had the better versions of nearly every 3rd party game shared across both systems (Splinter Cell, Psychonaughts, Dark Alliance 2), the better SSX (3 > Tricky), Bioware exclusives KOTOR and Jade Empire, Halo 1 and 2 (far away better then any fps on PS2 it is not even funny). 3rd party exclusives such as Panzer Dragoon Orta, Riddik, Jet Set Radio Future, Ninja Gaiden, Phantasy Star Online.

Besides Persona 3 AND 4 (and honestly I don't know anyone who played those on PS2, anecdotal I guess but I am sure sales numbers in the West reflect that) and like Shadow of the Colossus and Twisted Metal Black, PS2 exclusives blow chunks. God of Wars are overrated (beat them both once and never needed to touch them ever again), MGS2 is a piece of crap, the Final Fantasies (and JRPGs that entire gen) are weak. PS2 really is the most overrated system of all time. It was a good time for gaming overall to be sure, PC and Xbox were killing it (Nintendo not so much). But PS2's output amongst it's peers is pretty shit.

PS1 and PS3 were way better.

 

[Balducci30]

Wait some people think that Ps2 was the WORST Sony generation? What???

 

[Balducci30]

Original Xbox was objectively better then PS2 that generation. Had the better versions of nearly every 3rd party game shared across both systems (Splinter Cell, Psychonaughts, Dark Alliance 2), the better SSX (3 > Tricky), Bioware exclusives KOTOR and Jade Empire, Halo 1 and 2 (far away better then any fps on PS2 it is not even funny). 3rd party exclusives such as Panzer Dragoon Orta, Riddik, Jet Set Radio Future, Ninja Gaiden, Phantasy Star Online.

Besides Persona 3 AND 4 (and honestly I don't know anyone who played those on PS2, anecdotal I guess but I am sure sales numbers in the West reflect that) and like Shadow of the Colossus and Twisted Metal Black, PS2 exclusives blow chunks. God of Wars are overrated (beat them both once and never needed to touch them ever again), MGS2 is a piece of crap, the Final Fantasies (and JRPGs that entire gen) are weak. PS2 really is the most overrated system of all time. It was a good time for gaming overall to be sure, PC and Xbox were killing it (Nintendo not so much). PS1 and PS3 were way better.

The GTA’s came out on ps2 first, and were initially exclusive. mgs 2 and 3 sucked? Devil may cry? Silent hill 2? ICO? Shadow of Colossus you mentioned - Disagree on OG God of wars

 

[Three]

Wait some people think that Ps2 was the WORST Sony generation? What???

They've been led to believe only first party output counts and in that dumb criteria they'd be right.

 

[Darius87]

PS2>PS1>PS4>PS3>PS5
PS5 lost all of it's value at this point there's no reason to buy PS5.

 

[Thebonehead]

“Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.
The same applies when you are stupid.”​

― Ricky Gervais

Saw the thread title and came here for Jame's meltdown.

Not been disappointed.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Opinions, but I enjoyed Sony first party a heck of a lot more with PS3 than PS5. Not even close really. For me, that's the defining aspect of a PlayStation console as it is the primary reason I ever buy a PlayStation.

This here is my feelings 100%

That’s your situation but most consumers only play on one device, so if they are playing on ps5 many people only play on ps5 and their multiplats are there as well

Cmon man. The attraction and praise Sony has always received from their fans is their exclusive output. This can't suddenly change.

You are completely right, the vast majority of end users will play everything on their ps5...they are probably only playing a selection of around 4 games album yes I 100% agree.

The exclusives chat. For enthusiasts, which what we are has always been the case on here is about Sony ip and exclusives. I don't think hat narrative should change or Sony will end up like Xbox.

I think the ps5 is great hardware. Super fast loading, more or less silent and the best performance on a console this gen. It's just not been taped out for its potential and Sony management have displayed the worst gen of miss management they ever have.

It's selling because they are cemented as the market leader and there's not any good competition outside of PC and it seems like many are choosing to migrate there. That's sonys problem and they should look to deliver those amazing games like precious gens to curb this.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Cmon man. The attraction and praise Sony has always received from their fans is their exclusive output. This can't suddenly change.

No, this wasn’t until the end of the ps3 era. PS1 and ps2 exclusives were the side piece at best, not the primary dish.

Doesn’t matter either way though, as PS5’s exclusive start is strong as evidenced by any quantifiable metric (sales, reception, etc)

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

you know what is Crazy?

the second half of the PS5 life cycle they are going to get games like Halo and Gears.

So, in the annals (and anuses) of history, the PS5 gen will cement itself as the generation where Xbox bent the knee to the true king of gaming.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Ps3 nearly sank playstation because of the choice to go with Blu Ray and Cell.

The hardware was terrible to dev for and they suffered due to the cost of the machine.

So if someone wants to make a poll for worst designed playstation then yes. For ease of development the ps3 is the worst and it cost Sony dearly.

If we are talking about game catalogue the ln ps5 is by far the worst.

You're talking about an MVP player in the game having one bad term at a team. This doesn't mean they can't come back and do something amazing in the future. That's what I thought we were discussing.

The star players stats against themselves, not anyone else.

And, we all know it's because that star player got a new manager and they were trying to get him to play football when he is a baseball player.

You ain't Deion Sanders.

 

[KittyKatMan]

Yes, this may in fact be the last generation of Playstations I buy into and I've been gaming on the platform since 1995.

I thought I might be excited for Switch 2 but I'm more on the fence after the recent reveal.

This is the way I feel

 

[xrnzaaas]

This generation started promising with very good PS5 exclusives (Demon's Souls, Returnal, Ratchet & Clank), but then we got hit with covid shortages and Sony decided to make everything cross-gen. But the worst part is focusing on gaas games and trying to offer pointless remakes / remasters as a substitute for the lack of more big singleplayer games.

At least the hardware works good, minus the (lack of) quality of Dualsense controllers. It's still my primary console, I just use it to play third-party and multiplatform games.

 

[Radical_3d]

you know what is Crazy?

the second half of the PS5 life cycle they are going to get games like Halo and Gears.

So, in the annals (and anuses) of history, the PS5 gen will cement itself as the generation where Xbox bent the knee to the true king of gaming.

Is this a castle vidcons reference?

 

[xenosys]

PS3 for me. It was the only gen I switched over to Microsoft and the Xbox 360 for.

 

[Neolombax]

Ps3 for me. Having games that perform comparatively worse on the PS3 compared to xbox360 was not a good feeling.

 

[manzo]

For me, PS1 > PS4 > PS2 > PS3 > PS5

I actually had more playtime on the PS4 than PS2. PS5 has been a joke of a generation, my PS5 is mostly used for playing PS4 games bar a few PS5 versions of PS4 games. Although one thing; I'm now playing a lot less than I used to back in the day, I have way better things to do in the evenings than video games. My game time is mostly split between older consoles (currently playing King Colossus on Megadrive) and Wangan Midnight on PC. As my game time is considered premium, I'm absolutely ruthless when it comes to a game entertaining me. Older games and arcade games that are fun the second you start playing it is currently king. On the other side, MMORPGS and Sony slop (bad movies with a barebones game hidden somewhere in between cutscenes) are things that I avoid like the plague.