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The ninja farmer said:
It so worked as a cold opening 👍

All that was missing was a lame joke from the host 'About how you don't get pandemics anymore' to break the uneasy silence, cut to commercial 😁
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There longer opening does raise questions how in that era, news would spread so slowly. It takes about half a day for that area to be visibly affected. The watch shop seemed to know something serious was going on but they don't warn the customer? :unsure: Also all the more than usual police activity and army planes should've primed Sarah that something's going on and keep an eye on the news.
 
Ulysses 31 said:
Oh yeah and Abby was willing to slit the throat of someone pregnant saying the pregnancy made that deed even better.
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Wasn't that Ellie?
I haven't played Part 2 yet, still on my shelf, but I remember some talk early on that Ellie was taking her hate too far.
 
Fredrik said:
Wasn't that Ellie?
I haven't played Part 2 yet, still on my shelf, but I remember some talk early on that Ellie was taking her hate too far.
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No, Ellie killed a pregnant women in self-defence, she attacked her with a knife though the game is a bit underhanded with how that pregnant women happens to wear a jacket that conseals that she's pregnant just in that scene while in all other parts of the game she walks around in clothing that clearly shows she's pregnant.
 
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Ulysses 31 said:
There longer opening does raise questions how in that era, news would spread so slowly. It takes about half a day for that area to be visibly affected. The watch shop seemed to know something serious was going on but they don't warn the customer? :unsure: Also all the more than usual police activity and army planes should've primed Sarah that something's going on and keep an eye on the news.
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Isn't that the conundrum of these end of the world stories. To make the world believable (in a sense) if you show how it starts, you gotta stick the landing. Very few movies do this and most skip to 'after the event'. Followed by a few lines of government fell, chaos or confusion reigned in those last days

But as recent years have shown us, the spread of something's are inevitable, but when it doesn't turn you into bitey, the toadstool monsters. Then wheels don't turn so fast. But news does and I think, what they have alluded to so far was the yeast, being used around the world and consumed by millions was triggered. With the news reports of the far east being the start of the end

And I also thought that with how busy with work Joel is and hoe the day spent with his daughter (on the show). Seems to go out of its way to show her not being in the news loop.

Maybe they will focus on spores in the air, in later episodes
 
The ninja farmer said:
Isn't that the conundrum of these end of the world stories. To make the world believable (in a sense) if you show how it starts, you gotta stick the landing. Very few movies do this and most skip to 'after the event'. Followed by a few lines of government fell, chaos or confusion reigned in those last days

But as recent years have shown us, the spread of something's are inevitable, but when it doesn't turn you into bitey, the toadstool monsters. Then wheels don't turn so fast. But news does and I think, what they have alluded to so far was the yeast, being used around the world and consumed by millions was triggered. With the news reports of the far east being the start of the end

And I also thought that with how busy with work Joel is and hoe the day spent with his daughter (on the show). Seems to go out of its way to show her not being in the news loop.
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Yes but The Walking Dead, 28 Days Later handled it decent enough with the protag being in some sort of coma and waking up in a post apocalypse world. The game just doesn't really bothers to show signs of society slowly breaking down but instead throws you into the thick of it. I think the game gets away it so well because it's done right at the beginning where players are introduced to the world that's on the brink of societal collapse and you feel in the moment with the characters initially just trying to survive and not trying to understand what lead to all this.
The ninja farmer said:
Maybe they will focus on spores in the air, in later episodes
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To my understanding, the airborne infectious spores are not in the show.
 
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ChiefDada said:
Not with me he didn't. I will NEVER understand the hate for Abby from people who actually played the game. Between her, Joel, and Ellie, she was the one I felt for the most by far. She had every reason to hunt Joel down for killing her father and to add more evidence to her humanity, she made it clear that she was only out for Joel and passed on killing Ellie and Tommy. But like she said, "they wasted it".
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That's because she didn't exist in TLOU1, same for the doctor. Nobody cared about that bitch. The fireflies were also terrorists. People wanted more Joel and Ellie, not a new cast.

The same backlash will happen with the show. WLF, Abby, Lev, Seraphites. TV viewers will be like WTF? We don't care.
BadBurger said:
Great post. Mostly agree.

I liked TLoU 2, but also had problems with the core narrative. Druckmann wanted to basically use an anti-hero to kill an anti-hero - or even villain in his mind. The problem was that most people, IMO, never saw Joel as an anti-hero or villain, but merely a pragmatic guy who got dealt such bad cards in life he became kind of fatalist. And then we as an audience, through him, got to watch him grow and prove he was still that same great father we saw in the harrowing opening minutes of the first game.

It was jarring, it threw the tone off in weird ways, it made Abby instantly unlikable, and brought out the worst aspects of Ellie's character.

All of obvious intent by Druckmann, but I just wasn't feeling it. There's better ways to tell a tragedy IMO.
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Exactly! Nobody saw Joel as a villain or anti-hero until TLOU2 came out. Then we were all confused oh we were supposed to hate him? Imagine if Ellie had died and Joel just leave and left her there. That was supposed to be a better ending?
 
GhostOfTsu said:
That's because she didn't exist in TLOU1, same for the doctor. Nobody cared about that bitch. The fireflies were also terrorists. People wanted more Joel and Ellie, not a new cast.

The same backlash will happen with the show. WLF, Abby, Lev, Seraphites. TV viewers will be like WTF? We don't care.

Exactly! Nobody saw Joel as a villain or anti-hero until TLOU2 came out. Then we were all confused oh we were supposed to hate him? Imagine if Ellie had died and Joel just leave and left her there. That was supposed to be a better ending?
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Show me what part of the game that the fireflies was supposed to be terrorists.
Go on I'll wait.


You can dig neogaf threads from the past and see for yourself. There was a heated debate about tlous ending. And Joel character

Case in point:

So get over your daddy issues.
 
John Bilbo said:
Woah, Nelly. You might want to take a step back from the internet.

But I did forget something like that. I participate in this conversation in good faith and expect good faith in return.
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Vick said:
Christ.. I guess the blame on Part II is on this fucking place.

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That's exactly what. Is so frustrating reading shut like. "Oh people only change their mind after Part 2. 'No one cared about the doctor"

We have being having these debate for years even before everyone knew a sequel was possibility
 
SLB1904 said:
That's exactly what. Is so frustrating reading shut like. "Oh people only change their mind after Part 2. 'No one cared about the doctor"

We have being having these debate for years even before everyone knew a sequel was possibility
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Well, to be fair I also discussed the game for years, and while there was certainly discussions to be had about his choice, they were NEVER judgemental.
I've played and seen the game being played next to me countless times, we all shared Joel decision, without even the slightest doubt. We were all pumped as fuck during the "Where is the operating room?", in fact, I've never been pumped more in my entire life ffs! Camera angles, score, the whole direction, all was MEANT to pump the player.
And same goes for when he picks up Ellie on that heartbreaking music.. Intentions behind the game were clear as water. And afterall:

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This was the general consensus, no doubt about it.
Remember reactions when Joel appeared on screen:




Let's not forget every retard currently spreading their mental retardation on Retardera was part of this forum at the time.
 
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SLB1904 said:
Show me what part of the game that the fireflies was supposed to be terrorists.
Go on I'll wait.


You can dig neogaf threads from the past and see for yourself. There was a heated debate about tlous ending. And Joel character

Case in point:

So get over your daddy issues.
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That was the ree people before the split. Regular people didn't want Joel to leave like a dumbass after getting attacked by the Fireflies and leave Ellie unconscious on the operating table.

Basically you wanted Ellie to die at the end? After playing these characters for 20 hours you wanted her dead instead of the random no name doctor and Marlene?

Yeah very normal behaviour. I believe you 🙄
 
GhostOfTsu said:
That was the ree people before the split. Regular people didn't want Joel to leave like a dumbass after getting attacked by the Fireflies and leave Ellie unconscious on the operating table.



Yeah very normal behaviour. I believe you 🙄
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Nice deflection. Generalise without evidence. Who sounds more resetear now.
You got nothing.

Basically you wanted Ellie to die at the end? After playing these characters for 20 hours you wanted her dead instead of the random no name doctor and Marlene?
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Is not about what me or you want . I sided we Joel. And I would do it the same.

The fact is. Ellie was fireflies property, she was a cargo for him to transport nothing else.

Nuances kid. The world doesn't revolve around you. We are just a mere spectators through that story. We didn't have the power to make any choices
 
SLB1904 said:
Nice deflection. Generalise without evidence. Who sounds more resetear now.
You got nothing.



Is not about what me or you want . I sided we Joel. And I would do it the same.

The fact is. Ellie was fireflies property, she was a cargo for him to transport nothing else.

Nuances kid. The world doesn't revolve around you. We are just a mere spectators through that story. We didn't have the power to make any choices
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He's got plenty of things if he looks at the wiki. It says the Fireflies carried out terrorist attacks and had terrorist cells.

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Fireflies

The Fireflies were a revolutionary militia group featured as an antagonistic faction in The Last of Us and The Last of Us Part II, and a playable faction in Factions MP. They revolted against FEDRA's rule in many quarantine zones around the United States. The Fireflies' ultimate goal was to...
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A few weeks later, the Fireflies orchestrated a terrorist attack on a military checkpoint, bombing a vehicle, which prompts Boston troops to lock down the streets.
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GhostOfTsu said:
That's because she didn't exist in TLOU1, same for the doctor. Nobody cared about that bitch. The fireflies were also terrorists. People wanted more Joel and Ellie, not a new cast.

The same backlash will happen with the show. WLF, Abby, Lev, Seraphites. TV viewers will be like WTF? We don't care.
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Nope. They will not. TV audiences will be intelligent enough to realize a show cant just be retelling the same story over and over. New characters and villains need to be introduced - it happens in all television.

Walking Dead introduced Negan, The Whisperers, The Govenor, The Terminus canibals, Hiltop, Alexandria, The Commonwealth, Beta, Alpha.... No complaints.
 
Watched the first episode last night. Really enjoyed it. Not sure about the casting of Ellie. Maybe she will grow on me.
 
Ulysses 31 said:
Probably also referring to Tess who Joel is now seemingly awaits orders from rather than taking initiative.
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Tess is ordering Joel to find Tommy?
I mean I agree it does seem more like Joel is working for Tess as an on going thing rather then a partnership on a deal.
But Joel is looking for Tommy, not Tess
 
TGO said:
Tess is ordering Joel to find Tommy?
I mean I agree it does seem more like Joel is working for Tess as an on going thing rather then a partnership on a deal.
But Joel is looking for Tommy, not Tess
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Not quite, I was more talking about their relationship in the TV show where it seems more like Tess is the brains and Joel the muscle waiting for her orders while in the game it seemed more like 50/50 partnership with Tess more like telling Joel was the next move should be and Joel getting convinced and then proceeding with that plan.

Granted, this is how I and some reviewers remember it but I'd have to rewatch how Tess and Joel are in the game to be certain since it's been years. Also depends on how the Tess Joel dynamic is portrayed in the rest of the series for me to go back and see how it was in the game.
 
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Ulysses 31 said:
Not quite, I was more talking about their relationship in the TV show where it seems more like Tess is the brains and Joel the muscle waiting for her orders while in the game it seemed more like 50/50 partnership with Tess more like telling Joel was the next move should be and Joel getting convinced and then proceeding with that plan.

Granted, this is how I and some reviewers remember it but I'd have to rewatch how Tess and Joel are in the game to be certain since it's been years. Also depends on how the Tess Joel dynamic is portrayed in the rest of the series for me to go back and see how it was in the game.
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Why do you keep repeating this BS? You were corrected by me and other people who have actually played the game that Tess is the boss in the game. If you actually played the game you would know this.
 
BlitzerRadic said:
Why do you keep repeating this BS? You were corrected by me and other people who have actually played the game that Tess is the boss in the game. If you actually played the game you would know this.
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I've not verified what you said since so far it's not a huge deal of a change to me. I've been forthcoming with saying that's how I remember it so if anyone really cares to show I'm wrong they can send video evidence showing that TV Tess Joel dynamic is practically the same as in the game.
 
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Ulysses 31 said:
Not quite, I was more talking about their relationship in the TV show where it seems more like Tess is the brains and Joel the muscle waiting for her orders while in the game it seemed more like 50/50 partnership with Tess more like telling Joel was the next move should be and Joel getting convinced and then proceeding with that plan.

Granted, this is how I and some reviewers remember it but I'd have to rewatch how Tess and Joel are in the game to be certain since it's been years. Also depends on how the Tess Joel dynamic is portrayed in the rest of the series for me to go back and see how it was in the game.
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You really need to ask yourself why it is that you remember that way when it clearly wasn't the case...

I think the idea of Joel in people's heads is pretty warped from the reality of him.
 
Mibu no ookami said:
You really need to ask yourself why it is that you remember that way when it clearly wasn't the case...

I think the idea of Joel in people's heads is pretty warped from the reality of him.
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I don't feel the need to since it's not a big enough change so far so maybe you can say why you think I really should.
 
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Tripolygon said:
Its just so easy to tell who is in charge of their dynamic. A simple youtube would clarify that Tess is in charge.

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I see it alternating, she seems the one with the connections so Joel follows her but in combat there's moments where Joel takes the initiative and Tess urging to be smart about it. He asks Tess how they're going to get their stuff back and Marlene how she's not screwing them over. He does look at Tess and makes a go ahead move after which Tess also says to go to their guns. Joel generally does what Tess tells him to after they dealt with Robert but he is visibly annoyed having to watch over Ellie and warns Tess not to take too long verifying the trade with Marlene.

So it looks like a mutually beneficial partnership of brains/connections with muscle rather than someone's clearly being in charge there to me.
 
It will be interesting to see Neil direct arguably the most boring section in the game in terms of story. Yes, the Tess scene is a great fucking scene but the rest is pretty uneventful. I guess we might get our first clicker fight, and they might introduce Bill a bit early.

I dont see the entire episode revolving around them fighting their way through downtown Boston.
 
Why they have to show scenes from the episode right before it plays, stupid HBO

Edit: noticed Druckmann is this episode's director
 
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