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[Cooper]

As far as no true 1080i direct view displays?
I think that's wrong. I know for a fact that there are a lot of CRT HDTVs that support the dull 1920 by 1080 resolution. Unless I've simply been lied to.

Care to explain? Point me to some that AREN'T truly 1080i.

The one you linked to? Pretty much all of them?

From Toshiba

Notice the "1000 lines of resolution" comment.

 

[sonycowboy]

There are plenty of sets that will display a 1080i image, as that only needs them to draw 540 lines per 1/60 second. And due to CRTs inherent analog nature, it can adjust where it draws those 540 lines, moving them up/down slightly to fill the gaps for the next field.

Do they even really support 1080i? I can understand that they only need to shoot 540 lines per cycle, but they still have to have 1920 for the horizontal resolution. In addition, don't they have to be able to have all 1080 lines visible at once. I know the odd lines are fading while the even lines are being drawn, but can they actually handle 1080 "lines" or would they simply be drawing over the previous image?

If so, that's really just 540p, right? Which is NOT the same thing as 1080i.

 

[Cooper]

can understand that they only need to shoot 540 lines per cycle, but they still have to have 1920 for the horizontal resolution.

Actually, most of them have far less than 1920 horizontal as well. The exact quote from the Toshiba page I linked to is:

1000-Lines Horizontal Resolution

This isn't uncommon. A really high quality rear projection CRT can get almost 1800 lines of horizontal resolution.

 

[Mrbob]

The closest is the Sony Super Fine Pitch tubes (30XS955, 34XS955, and 34XBR960) which all l carry the same tube and support 1400 horizontal lines. The next closest are the Toshiba 34 inch sets (Maybe 30" too) which supports up to 1200 lines of horizontal resolution. What the output is lower though.

Rumor has it the current Sony HDTV tube sets may have a price decrease in July.

 

[Flo_Evans]

even the top of the line sony XBR 34" CRT (which is widely accepted as the best direct view CRT money can buy) only has 1400 'pixels' of horizontal resolution. I say 'pixels' because like others have explained, and you don't seem to get is that CRTs fire a beam at the screen that is divided into 'pixels' with an aperture grill.

edit: too slow and all that^^

2nd edit: actually I misspoke - if you dont mind spending $ 23,499.95 for a 24" TV then you could get this :lol

Sony BVM-D24E1WU 24-Inch Digital Series Broadcast Display Monitor, Flat CRT, 1000 Lines Resolution, Optional HD/SD/NTSC/PAL/SECAM Decode and Expansion

 

[borghe]

wtf? now you guys are saying a 1080i set will downconvert a 720p signal to 540p? ugghhhh... misinformation in this thread is ridiculous.

most sets will "sideconvert" a 720p source to 1080i. they will scale it then interlace it. many sets do give you an option of either 1080i or 480/540p. but there is no decent set I know of that just downsamples a 720p image to 480/540p without prompting.

this thread is bordering on retarded in some areas.

 

[HokieJoe]

Is it even possible for "fixed pixel" sets to have multiple native resolutions? Other than simply blacking out the extra million pixels to go down to 720p from 1080i?

What's more important to me, is can CRT's have multiple native resolutions and will they EVER get up to 1080p?

Probably not, but who knows. Right now, the closest you will get is 1080i. The only CRT-based set that will do it is Mitsubishi's 65" HD RPTV. It has 9" guns, and 9" guns can resolve 1080i.

 

[Mrbob]

Damn! Sweet! :lol


Anyway, its tough to not overthink purchases like these. Decide what you are going to watch and what the TV is used for and make your decision. Sports HD is broadcasted in 720P most of the time (I'd like to hear a convincing argument as to why you would want to watch sports in 1080i instead of 720P! ). I watch sports most of the time on TV. Coupled with X360 and PS3 supported 720P it makes sense for me to look at a 720P set. Movies with an upconverting DVD player should look good too. If you have a different agenda then look for a difference set. I, for one, don't share the same love for DLP sets as Shog does! :lol You don't have to spend 3000 to get a nice HDTV set.

 

[gblues]

I recently purchased one of the new Samsung SlimFit direct view HDTV sets (30" widescreen). It's only got about 800 pixels of horizontal resolution, but the damn thing looks awesome. GT4 in 1080i mode is a wonder to behold.

Really, you guys are just having penis fights over specs numbers. For a 30" widescreen set, all that extra detail that "true 1920" horizontal resolution would've provided is lost as soon as you're like 4 feet away from the set. Don't panic about the horizontal resolution unless you're getting a really large set.

Nathan

 

[Shogmaster]

even the top of the line sony XBR 34" CRT (which is widely accepted as the best direct view CRT money can buy) only has 1400 'pixels' of horizontal resolution. I say 'pixels' because like others have explained, and you don't seem to get is that CRTs fire a beam at the screen that is divided into 'pixels' with an aperture grill.

edit: too slow and all that^^

2nd edit: actually I misspoke - if you dont mind spending $ 23,499.95 for a 24" TV then you could get this :lol

Sony BVM-D24E1WU 24-Inch Digital Series Broadcast Display Monitor, Flat CRT, 1000 Lines Resolution, Optional HD/SD/NTSC/PAL/SECAM Decode and Expansion

I'd rather spend $1000 on a used FW900. They are both 24", FW900 has far better resolution, and you just need a component > VGA adapter for couple hundred.

 

[Mrbob]

Really, you guys are just having penis fights over specs numbers. For a 30" widescreen set, all that extra detail that "true 1920" horizontal resolution would've provided is lost as soon as you're like 4 feet away from the set. Don't panic about the horizontal resolution unless you're getting a really large set.

Nathan

Finally someone agrees with me on this topic! :lol

 

[Shawn]

wow, i learned things from this very thread that i never knew before... like how crt hdtvs cannot support a true 720p/1080i signal. that's really too bad, as i don't want anything OTHER than a crt.

if it's true that there is no such thing as an inexpensive crt that supports 720p/1080i natively, then i might just "settle" for 480p natively.

if there is a "dark side" to the whole reality of hdtvs, then, i think, this would be it.

someone PLEASE tell me that widescreen crt hdtvs support true 480p natively. please???

 

[Shogmaster]

wow, i learned things from this very thread that i never knew before... like how crt hdtvs cannot support a true 720p/1080i signal. that's really too bad, as i don't want anything OTHER than a crt.

if it's true that there is no such thing as an inexpensive crt that supports 720p/1080i natively, then i might just "settle" for 480p natively.

if there is a "dark side" to the whole reality of hdtvs, then, i think, this would be it.

someone PLEASE tell me that widescreen crt hdtvs support true 480p natively. please???

There are, but I don't know any of them would take 720p and scale it down to 480p..... I think they all do messed up stuff like take 720p, convert only to 1080i to display it. Good news is that 280p 30" jobs are cheap~ish.

 

[8BALL]

See? You started off really well - even Shog was impressed. But now you've gone all silly, and in only 3 posts too. Never mind.


There are probably *zero* CRTs that will display a 1080p image. There are plenty of sets that will display a 1080i image,

I meant 1080i, not p.

There are a few sets that claim 1080p, but they can only handle the signal!
Displaying 1080p is a different stroy - they don't exist on a consumer level yet.

If you find one, SHOW ME.

As far as CRTs displaying 1920 by 1080i, I've seen plenty that claim to do it.

I would asusme that they get the full vertical resolution, an dnot the horizontal resolution though. As I've said - I haven't looked at many specific models for HDTVs yet. Going from the ads/retailer sites to the manufacturer sites is the key to getting the true story.

I'm looking for something that will display 1080i, hopefully with 1920 wide as well. (Yeah right)
A lot of CRTs will show the 1080 vertical resolution, but will not have the full horizontal resolution.

As far as scaling 540p and shit,

"HDSC 1080i/540p HD-Compatible Display"

They say the display is capable of 1080i and 540p. I count that as being a 1080i display, even though it only has 1000 horizontal. 1920 would be nice, but it's not going to fucking happen, now is it?

As far as 720 being converted to 540?
"Selectable 540p/1080i Display"

What do you do? 720p source, 540p or 1080i? Fuck, that's actually a difficult choice.

That TV was just one candidate, mainly because of the price and physical size. It's fucking old though, and I'll start seriously looking at shit come July/August.

 

[Flo_Evans]

I think we need a separate TV-age forum or something.. there is a new thead ever other day about HDTV on here. Not that I mind, I am in the market for a new HDTV soon and I like talking about TV's... just seems like its the same thread over and over

 

[Mrbob]

If you guys want to see the owners manual for the upcoming 42 and 50 inch 720P Grand Wega LCD sets you can find it online here:

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDFE42-50A10.pdf

 

[Blimblim]

I'll get my DLP TV set tomorrow. I soooo can't wait

 

[Cooper]

There's just no convincing you, is there?

There are a few sets that claim 1080p, but they can only handle the signal!
Displaying 1080p is a different stroy - they don't exist on a consumer level yet.

If you find one, SHOW ME.

Sharp's 45" direct view LCD panel has a full 1920x1080 pixels, as does Sony's Qualia 70" LCoS. Oddly enough, these TVs are backwards from what you said. They display 1920x1080 pixels, but don't accept 1080p signals as input!

As far as CRTs displaying 1920 by 1080i, I've seen plenty that claim to do it.

I would asusme that they get the full vertical resolution, an dnot the horizontal resolution though.

Sorry, they won't. You might get 600 - 700 vertical pixels.

As far as 720 being converted to 540?
"Selectable 540p/1080i Display"

What do you do? 720p source, 540p or 1080i? Fuck, that's actually a difficult choice.

You try both, and stick with the one that gives a more pleasing result.

 

[HokieJoe]

(HDTV is 1920 by 1080 i/p ! Anything lower is EDTV, enhanced definition, but the marketing bastards got their way and now it's become accepted that anything above 480 can be called HDTV! BULLSHIT!)

Uhhh, along with 1080i, 720p is considered HD.

480i is SDTV, 480p is EDTV.

 

[Flo_Evans]

If you guys want to see the owners manual for the upcoming 42 and 50 inch 720P Grand Wega LCD sets you can find it online here:

http://www.docs.sony.com/release/KDFE42-50A10.pdf

oo thanks^^ I can't wait till these come out. I was this close to getting the Sony KD-34XS955, but I think I want a 720p set since it will be used mostly for gaming.

man looks like a good set! I definatly appreciate the computer VGA in, the new menu system looks nice too^^ can't wait till they have some of these in store to demo... I'll just have to avoid looking at the CRTs so I wouln't be spoiled by the contrast and black levels >_<

 

[Mrbob]

So if I hook up my upcoming Xbox 360 to the new 42" Sony RPTV LCD will I get true 1:1 pixel mapping? That would be nice!

Right now my plan is to look for a set with VGA and HDMI inputs. My plan will be to run the X360 through VGA and the PS3 through HDMI.

 

[Flo_Evans]

So if I hook up my upcoming Xbox 360 to the new 42" Sony RPTV LCD will I get true 1:1 pixel mapping? That would be nice!

Right now my plan is to look for a set with VGA and HDMI inputs. My plan will be to run the X360 through VGA and the PS3 through HDMI.

the new Sony RP LCD does have HDMI + VGA! (didn't you even look at the PDF you posted? :lol )

which brings up an interesting point... if the LCDs are 720... what happens when you hook up your PC with a 768 res?

 

[Mrbob]

Well, yeah.

I'm just a little worried if I get a VGA adapter for the X360 a little bit gets lost in the translation.

I want to give this TV a spin! I'm looking at the 34XS955 myself. Or maybe the 52" mitsubishi 52" DLP. My viewing space is going to be about 6-7 feet so I'm worried 50 or 52 inch set will be too big. Conversely, I'm also thinking 34" may be too small for what I want. My hope is that the 42" Sony RPTV LCD is the real deal because I think it'll be the sweet spot for me!

 

[Flo_Evans]

currently I have a 27" WEGA 4:3 in a pretty small apartment. The 34" would be prefect I think for my current set up, but of course I hope to buy a home in the next year... Now that I think about it, I had a bitch of a time getting that 27" up the stairs in the box... I don't know if the 34" let alone the 42" would even fit >_<

 

[Crazymoogle]

which brings up an interesting point... if the LCDs are 720... what happens when you hook up your PC with a 768 res?

For the maximum supported res - WXGA (1280x768), one of two things, I guess:

1. Internal scaler kicks in to squish the screen horizontally
2. 48 lines are lost

 

[Mrbob]

currently I have a 27" WEGA 4:3 in a pretty small apartment. The 34" would be prefect I think for my current set up, but of course I hope to buy a home in the next year... Now that I think about it, I had a bitch of a time getting that 27" up the stairs in the box... I don't know if the 34" let alone the 42" would even fit >_<

Heh, same here. I have a 27" Wega 4:3 and have been patiently waiting for the right time to upgrade. The 34"XS955 will be a bitch to move because it big and bulky and 200 pounds. The 42" LCD RPTV is only like 80 pounds though. It's really light! Same with DLP sets. Because of all the electronic circuitry in these sets they are a lot lighter!

 

[borghe]

Sorry, they won't. You might get 600 - 700 vertical pixels.

I'll assume AGAIN here we are talking about direct view sets as almost every CRT projection set ever made has at least 1080 lines (my Mits 55819 has 1200 lines). As for directview sets, I know my sony Wega has 1080 horizontal lines (vertical pixels), though considerably less than 1920 horizontal pixels (I believe even a bit less than 1440).

 

[Cooper]

As for directview sets, I know my sony Wega has 1080 horizontal lines (vertical pixels), though considerably less than 1920 horizontal pixels (I believe even a bit less than 1440).

Yes, I am talking about direct view. Test patterns I had seen on older direct view HDTVs had far fewer than 1080 horizontal lines/vertical pixels. Do you have a test pattern you could show for your TV? I would be genuinely impressed if it resolved 1080 lines.

Edit - Here's a review of an HD CRT with some resolution measurements. The article comments that

"The 46HX83 displays approximately 480 lines (per picture height) with NTSC sources and, using our Leader LT-446 HD generator, can resolve 720p signals out to 620 (pph) and 1080i sources out to 690 (pph)."

I looked here for a technical explanation of the terms

Unless I'm reading these articles wrong, I take it to mean the TV can't display 1080 unique lines. Correct me if I'm making a mistake, as I would love to learn.

 

[Mrbob]

Those of you looking at perhaps a 30 or 34 inch Sony Tube CRT HDTV, I found the thread where a potential July price drop is going to occur:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519003

I'm very interested and seeing where these new prices fall. Also, in this thread it is talked about that the new 42 and 50 inch Grand Wega RPTV LCD models may have a contrast ratio of 5000:1! But that would make Shogmaster angry!

 

[Shogmaster]

Those of you looking at perhaps a 30 or 34 inch Sony Tube CRT HDTV, I found the thread where a potential July price drop is going to occur:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519003

I'm very interested and seeing where these new prices fall. Also, in this thread it is talked about that the new 42 and 50 inch Grand Wega RPTV LCD models may have a contrast ratio of 5000:1! But that would make Shogmaster angry!

I. AM. ANGRY!!!! GWAR!!!

Seriously though, don't confuse contrast ratings with good black levels. You can have 10,000:1 contrast rating (the 70" Sammy 1080p DLP RP at CES this year had 10,000:1 rating), but it could still make for indistinguishable images in dark scenes. The Sammy was still not good as CRTs in black levels.

 

[Mrbob]

Heh, true. I've pretty much resolved myself to the fact that we won't see as good of black levels on LCD or DLP for a long time. But you gotta admit Sony's dynamic IRIS technology is intriguing in the LCD arena. This will be the first consumer friendly set (According to pricepoint) to incorporate it! I'm actually more concerned with how the screen refreshes on the new sets. I don't remember seeing many ghosting problems about earlier grand wega sets, but I notice some bad ghosting in PSP games. Imagine is this is translated into a 42 inch screen. Yikes! This is why I'd like to try out some fast paced PS2/Xbox games on the set first before buying it.

Speaking of DLP sets. I noticed TV Authority has the 52HM94 for 2100 bucks! I'm so tempted to grab that now. It has the HD2+ chip inside plus a game mode that is suppose to help elimate any lag from 480i games! But I must wait for the new Sony RPTV LCD sets first!

 

[HokieJoe]

wtf? now you guys are saying a 1080i set will downconvert a 720p signal to 540p? ugghhhh... misinformation in this thread is ridiculous.

most sets will "sideconvert" a 720p source to 1080i. they will scale it then interlace it. many sets do give you an option of either 1080i or 480/540p. but there is no decent set I know of that just downsamples a 720p image to 480/540p without prompting.

this thread is bordering on retarded in some areas.

Interesting. I knew that TV stations side-convert; but I didn't know that TV scalers did the same. I also thought that scalers deinterlaced first and then scaled. So they scale first then deinterlace?

 

[HokieJoe]

Heh, true. I've pretty much resolved myself to the fact that we won't see as good of black levels on LCD or DLP for a long time. But you gotta admit Sony's dynamic IRIS technology is intriguing in the LCD arena. This will be the first consumer friendly set (According to pricepoint) to incorporate it! I'm actually more concerned with how the screen refreshes on the new sets. I don't remember seeing many ghosting problems about earlier grand wega sets, but I notice some bad ghosting in PSP games. Imagine is this is translated into a 42 inch screen. Yikes! This is why I'd like to try out some fast paced PS2/Xbox games on the set first before buying it.

Speaking of DLP sets. I noticed TV Authority has the 52HM94 for 2100 bucks! I'm so tempted to grab that now. It has the HD2+ chip inside plus a game mode that is suppose to help elimate any lag from 480i games! But I must wait for the new Sony RPTV LCD sets first!

Yep, I've seen the dynamic iris technology on my buddies Panny AE700 front projector. GT 4 looked great; but upon recollection, Half Life 2 did lack a bit in dark scenes. Things tended to blend together more than I would like. Of course, it hasn't been professionally calibrated yet. He just used my AVIA and DVE disks to get it close.

Interestingly enough, http://www.cine4home.de did a review of the AE700; and with a photo filter in place over the PJ lense they measured just over a 2000:1 CR. That's real contrast ratio because the cats over there know their stuff. The Sony HS-51 was measured at a real 5000:1 CR, (~5900:1 I think).

 

[Mrbob]

Have you seen the HS-51? Because in the avsforum thread I linked there was a post specifically stating the upcoming 42 and 50" 720P sets will have the same dynamic iris technology of the HS-51. Not some cheap knock off version. Whether or not this is true I guess we'll find out soon!

 

[borghe]

Interesting. I knew that TV stations side-convert; but I didn't know that TV scalers did the same. I also thought that scalers deinterlaced first and then scaled. So they scale first then deinterlace?

If TVs just dropped 720p down to 480/540p, 720p input would have been in TVs from the start. Not to mention going to 1080i is a linear conversion, where as dropping to either 720x480 or 1080(ish)x540 is not a linear equation. It makes sense that they go the easier route.

I am not positive on the order of interlacing/scaling. Personally I would assume interlacing would be the last step, as anything you do after the interlacing could end up with undesirable artifacts. But I am not positive for sure.

 

[Blimblim]

If TVs just dropped 720p down to 480/540p, 720p input would have been in TVs from the start. Not to mention going to 1080i is a linear conversion, where as dropping to either 720x480 or 1080(ish)x540 is not a linear equation. It makes sense that they go the easier route.

I am not positive on the order of interlacing/scaling. Personally I would assume interlacing would be the last step, as anything you do after the interlacing could end up with undesirable artifacts. But I am not positive for sure.

I'd say the deinterlacing is first. If you scale first, especially if it's not *2, then how do you know which line belongs to which odd/even frame?
Btw I've got my DLP set a few hours ago. The few 720p games I have (SC2 and Amped 2) look *amazing*, and even 480p really changes how a game looks. I can't believe how much clearer Rallisport 2 looks for example. The bad thing is that I'm a bit sensitive to the rainbow effect, it's nothing major for the moment but I sure notice it from time to time.

 

[borghe]

I'd say the deinterlacing is first. If you scale first, especially if it's not *2, then how do you know which line belongs to which odd/even frame?

we are talking about interlacing, not deinterlacing. though your question still holds. if you split a 1280x720p progressive frame, and then you scale it, you would essentially have to redo the interlacing (unless I am not thinking about it right).

 

[Cooper]

As a follow up to some of borghe's earlier comments:

there are no true direct view 1080i sets out there. there are plenty of true 1080i projection sets out there.

almost every CRT projection set ever made has at least 1080 lines (my Mits 55819 has 1200 lines)

I couldn't find a review of your set with measurements. However, I did see this review of Mits' 73" CRT with 9" guns. I'm going to assume the 55819 has similar resolution. The article states

"The output from our generator indicates that the set is capable of resolving about 1,550 to 1,600 of the 1,920 horizontal pixels in a 1080i signal."

The article makes no mention of vertical resolution. Looking at Mits' own spec sheets, I believe you got the 1200 lines figure from their "Horizontal TV lines of resolution" statement. Unfortunately, that's ambiguously worded and could mean either dimension. Based on the the review's numbers and the fact that manufacturers usually specify horizontal resolution, I'm inclined to believe that the 1200 is actually horizontal resolution for the 7" guns. Even if 1200 is vertical resolution, it's still short in the horizontal dimension.

But regardless of what numbers mean what, you're entirely right with this comment:

a nice 1080i set will make all HD sources look gorgeous. a nice 720p set will make all HD sources look gorgeous. End of story.

 

[Mrbob]

^^^^

Yes, but what looks better?

A 720P signal converted on a 1080i set

OR

a 1080i signal converted onto a 720P set


??

You gotta choose one or the other.

 

[Cooper]

^^^^

Yes, but what looks better?

A 720P signal converted on a 1080i set

OR

a 1080i signal converted onto a 720P set


??

You gotta choose one or the other.

That's like asking "What looks better, a picture taken with a 3 megapixel camera or a 4 megapixel one?" It's really impossible to make a general answer. Some 720p sets do a great job converting 1080i signals, some not so much. The same is true with 1080i sets. You just have to look at the particular sets you're interested in and pick the one you find most satisfying.

 

[Mrbob]

Ahh, damn. I almost figured as much. :/ The Grand Wega 42" LCD really interests me. I'm trying to look up info on how it scales 1080I signals to 720P and can't find anything. If you can find something I would appreciate it!

 

[Cooper]

Ahh, damn. I almost figured as much. :/ The Grand Wega 42" LCD really interests me. I'm trying to look up info on how it scales 1080I signals to 720P and can't find anything. If you can find something I would appreciate it!

I can look for some formal numbers later if you're that interested. However, I know two people with Grand Wegas that are hooked up to HD sources. I've watched a good amount of HD material at their places, both 720p and 1080i formats, as well as DVDs. It looks great.

 

[Mrbob]

Awesome! I appreciate it!

 

[HokieJoe]

Have you seen the HS-51? Because in the avsforum thread I linked there was a post specifically stating the upcoming 42 and 50" 720P sets will have the same dynamic iris technology of the HS-51. Not some cheap knock off version. Whether or not this is true I guess we'll find out soon!

No I haven't seen the HS-51 personally, but I'd like to. I think the question of whether the dynamic iris tech is exactly the same or not is still up in the air; but I need to read a bit more.

 

[HokieJoe]

I am not positive on the order of interlacing/scaling. Personally I would assume interlacing would be the last step, as anything you do after the interlacing could end up with undesirable artifacts. But I am not positive for sure.

OK, I found it. I was sure I had read this:

Once the image has been properly de-interlaced, it must then be re-sampled, or re-sized, to the desired output format. This process requires interpolation filters. There are two basic classes of interpolation filters: optimal, and non-optimal...

DTV Format Conversion Guide


Anyway, not a big deal really, just interesting to know.

 

[borghe]

actually that is talking about going from 480i to 720p, or de-interlacing. we are talking about interlacing here, or going from a progressive image to an interlaced device.

if you have 720 lines of res in a field (refresh), and then you were to interlace those, you would now have 360 lines of resolution for the interlace field. so would you now apply a linear interpolation on them (duplicate every other line)? If you do, you would essentially be interpolating only half the picture. Then on the next field, (assuming you are taking the next progressive frame) you would take the other scna lines (from the next frame) and do the same thing again. The potential for artifacts to be introduced are huge.

However, if you took the progressive frame, scaled it to 1.5 and THEN interlaced it, you would in theory end up with perfect fields every time that would be one half of the original picture (depending on any filtering done on the linear scale).

it would be interesting to know, but at the end all that matters is the end result.

 

[sonycowboy]

Seems like a pretty affordable 1080p DLP set announced today. Might actually be a viable choice for me mid next year if prices come down.

52-inch WD-52627, 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV @ $3,699 MSRP

Mitsubishi to release 1080P sets on June 30th
Looks like Mitsubishi will beat Samsung to the market with their 1080P sets.

Press Release Source: Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc.


Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America is First to Deliver 1080p DLP High Definition TVs to Retailers
Monday June 27, 10:32 am ET
Industry Pioneer is Again First-to-Market with Eagerly Awaited Technology


IRVINE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--June 27, 2005--Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America, Inc., the company that introduced big screen and plasma televisions to North America, makes history again by being the first to introduce high definition 1080p televisions featuring DLP(TM) technology from Texas Instruments. The latest in TV technology, 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV provides the highest display resolution available for today's large screen televisions.

On June 30, Mitsubishi will deliver its 52-inch WD-52627, 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV to select Southern California retailers. National distribution of the WD-52627, which carries a suggested retail price of $3,699, will begin in the weeks following.

Not only will Mitsubishi be first-to-market with 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV, the company will also introduce the largest 1080p DLP(TM) televisions available in North America this year with three 73-inch models (WD-73727, WD-73827 and WD-73927). Overall, Mitsubishi will ship nine 1080p DLP(TM) models this summer and fall, ranging in size from 52 to 73 inches.

"1080p is just what is needed for today's larger TV screen sizes," said Frank DeMartin, vice president of marketing for Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America. "People who have seen our 1080p sets, from customers and retailers to industry writers and experts, have been amazed by the picture clarity, brightness and depth that Mitsubishi 1080p DLP(TM) HDTVs deliver."

Because 1080p provides twice the resolution of the high definition 720p or 1080i displays found in most HDTVs today, viewers will be treated to more vivid pictures, no matter what the scene or content. And given its higher pixel density, even a super-sized 73-inch 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV can deliver a sharper picture than a 50-inch 720p model.

"This is truly a milestone in home theater, and being the first to deliver 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV is consistent with Mitsubishi's history of giving consumers the very best," said Max Wasinger, senior vice president of sales and marketing for Mitsubishi Digital Electronics America. "The retailers who will carry these new models are eager to make the latest technology available to customers. They share Mitsubishi's passion for innovation and quality, and know that 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV delivers the best picture available."

As part of its pledge to provide "the perfect picture every time," the new models feature Mitsubishi's proprietary 1080p DLP(TM) light engine with Dark Detailer(TM) for improved dark scene detail. The sets also use Mitsubishi's exclusive Plush1080p(TM) technology to upconvert all signals--including 1080i--to 1080p for the best quality image from any source.

While Mitsubishi's 1080p DLP(TM) HDTVs produce the best possible picture from today's 1080i high definition sources, such as broadcast, cable and satellite TV, they are also designed with the future in mind.

"We will be seeing many new sources of 1080 content later this year and next year," said DeMartin. "The new gaming consoles, Blu-ray/HD-DVD technologies and media center PCs will all offer HD content, and the major broadcast and cable networks will begin to transmit 1080 signals at 24 and 30 frames progressive, among the highest HDTV broadcast resolutions available. Mitsubishi 1080p DLP(TM) HDTVs will be poised to take advantage of the latest HD content and deliver it with unsurpassed picture quality."

 

[Crazymoogle]

Seems like a pretty affordable 1080p DLP set announced today. Might actually be a viable choice for me mid next year if prices come down.

52-inch WD-52627, 1080p DLP(TM) HDTV @ $3,699 MSRP

Isn't this the wobulation set? Too rich for my blood but sounds nifty if you have the cash.

 

[HokieJoe]

Isn't this the wobulation set?

Yep, I think it is.

 

[Mrbob]

The first 1080P sets may only have 1080i HDMI inputs. WTF I say. Time to buy a 720P set this year and then wait for the 1080P sets to get their inputs connections straightened out and prices to go down.

By the way the first plans for 1080P broadcast (Seems like it may be ESPN for football games) is about 2 years away or so.