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[LakeOf9]

Any list with games like Pokemon Arceus on it immediately become a joke...

If Sony had either of these companies' production they would got torched...

Pokemon Arceus is rated an 84, which is as much as Ghost of Tsushima, and higher than Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin, both part of your lists

If you are unable to separate your personal opinion from objective fact, then yes, of course, no other company has managed to put out a lineup of games that you enjoy as much as your favorite company. No shit.

 

[ProtoByte]

Bitter critters. The narrative early on the generation was that Sony was focusing way too much on AAA action-adventures, and now that the likes of Helldivers 2, Stellar Blade, Astro Bot and Fighting Souls started gaining traction, people want those AAA action-adventures back (not that they went away, but fuck me if DS2 isn't considered first-party now, when Sony has repeatedly called it 'first-party').

I was never on that wave, and always said people who were were salty af and lying through their teeth. That Sony Template shit always pissed me off.

Nobody was or ever will buy consoles for peewee software. Give me expensive AAA games with high production values, or I'm out of the medium.

 

[IntentionalPun]

I think TLOU being hailed as the greatest game ever (way overrated IMO) broke gaming journalists (and many gamers) brains.

Too much "prestige" handed to it, and they'll never top that amount of fart huffing praise (for a game I never hear anyone actually talk about the gameplay of, which is pretty good to terrible *cough stealth cough*.

They've point out plenty of "quality" games this gen.

 

[onnextflix5]

They put all their teams on gass games ,is what happened, even naughty dog

 

[RetroGamingUK]

What happened to Xbox console exclusives this generation?

 

[Topher]

At the end of the day it comes down to a lot of salty people who prefer PC, Xbox, and Nintendo.

Nope. I've always preferred PlayStation. Disagreeing on game output doesn't mean those you disagree with automatically must be fanboys of other platforms.

 

[TGO]

The hardware is good.

So was the Vita.

 

[RetroGamingUK]

Can anyone name a company that has produced more quality titles in the last 5 years than Sony?

Since June 2020

Last of Us Part 2
Ghost of Tsushima
Spider-Man Miles Morales
Demon's Souls
Returnal
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Gran Turismo 7
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
Helldivers 2
Astro Bot

Upcoming titles
Death Stranding 2
Ghost of Yotei
Saros
Intergalactic
Marvel Tokon Fighting Souls

It's laughable that people give this company so much shit while they produce way more games of note than anyone else.




Some choice excerpts

Quite right

Sony, Nintendo and Capcom stand far about any other publisher my a fucking mile.

 

[Loomy]

No. Exclusivity isn't good for gamers.
The only positive I can think of is exclusives may use the hardware more to its max potential.

I agree it's bad for gamers overall, but if you're a Sony only gamer, there's relatively little you can't play on PlayStation this gen.

But that's only good for bragging about exclusives. Personally I got nothing out of the fact that FF XVI was exclusive to PS5 until recently.

Yeah at this rate it's more a marketing tool than anything.

It's more about how they have operated the past 6-7 years. They invested heavily in live service, it blew up in their face, and it is showing in their game output.

I still like my PS5 and think it's the best platform but it could have been way better than it turned out to be.

Definitely lots of missed opportunities

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Pokemon Arceus is rated an 84, which is as much as Ghost of Tsushima, and higher than Stellar Blade and Rise of the Ronin, both part of your lists

If you are unable to separate your personal opinion from objective fact, then yes, of course, no other company has managed to put out a lineup of games that you enjoy as much as your favorite company. No shit.

I have zero interest in either Stellar Blade or Rise of the Ronin but anyone with eyes can tell that more effort and quality went into both of those games compared to Pokemon Arceus.

 

[ReBurn]

They went after GAAS and hopefully they will course correct

In before "but the sales numbers mean everyone loves what they are doing"

They're making so much profit!

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Nope. I've always preferred PlayStation. Disagreeing on game output doesn't mean those you disagree with automatically must be fanboys of other platforms.

I'm not calling all criticism that of fanboys and console warring.

There are PlayStation fans and fanboys who are just as delusional about the production levels here as well.

Games take longer to develop. Tell me what companies are producing more AAA bangers than Sony... go on...

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

They're making so much profit!

Very true, the vast majority seem to love their output and can't wait for games like Marathon and Fairgames

Guess I am just old

 

[nial]

I was never on that wave, and always said people who were were salty af and lying through their teeth. That Sony Template shit always pissed me off.

Nobody was or ever will buy consoles for peewee software. Give me expensive AAA games with high production values, or I'm out of the medium.

Well, what do even expect, then? You already know those expensive AAA games take a lot of time to make.
What's exactly the difference of having God of War and Spider-Man in 2018 versus having Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2 in 2025?

 

[TGO]

Last of Us Part 2
Ghost of Tsushima
Spider-Man Miles Morales
Demon's Souls
Returnal
Ratchet and Clank Rift Apart
Gran Turismo 7
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War Ragnarok
Spider-Man 2
Stellar Blade
Rise of the Ronin
Helldivers 2
Astro Bot

That looks like a okay 1st & 2nd wave of titles.
Sadly 2 waves are usually done within a year and half onto launch.
This is 5 years

 

[LakeOf9]

I have zero interest in either Stellar Blade or Rise of the Ronin but anyone with eyes can tell that more effort and quality went into both of those games compared to Pokemon Arceus.

lol ok

 

[Topher]

I'm not calling all criticism that of fanboys and console warring.

There are PlayStation fans and fanboys who are just as delusional about the production levels here as well.

Games take longer to develop. Tell me what companies are producing more AAA bangers than Sony... go on...

I'm not engaging in list wars. Just a useless exercise where folks end up arguing more about what should and should not be on the list. If you think I'm delusional then that's fine by me.

 

[ReBurn]

 

[nial]

That looks like a okay 1st & 2nd wave of titles.
Sadly 2 waves are usually done within a year and half onto launch.
This is 5 years

PS2 having an equal lineup to that by September 2001, or PS3 by May 2008, or PS4 by May 2015, is certainly a take.

 

[Horseganador]

The number of exclusives of past generations will NEVER be achieved, due to costs and development time.

 

[ElCasual]

Hermen Hulst happen.

 

[ReBurn]

Very true, the vast majority seem to love their output and can't wait for games like Marathon and Fairgames

Guess I am just old

Me too. Here I am just playing Arcade Archives Ridge Racer and being perfectly happy

 

[pulicat]

Any list with games like Pokemon Arceus on it immediately become a joke...

If Sony had either of these companies' production they would got torched...

15 million units sold and an 83 Meta score. How is that a joke?

 

[Mibu no ookami]

I'm not engaging in list wars. Just a useless exercise where folks end up arguing more about what should and should not be on the list. If you think I'm delusional then that's fine by me.

Refuses to back their arguments because their arguments have no legs to stand on, but still says they aren't delusional.

No company comes close to the production Sony has put out this gen. Not even close... And it's the primary reason why they distanced themselves from Xbox who has struggled to put out anything of quality.

T2 hasn't put out anything of note this generation and won't until MAYBE Mafia the Old Country.

CDPR released Cyberpunk the same year as TLOUP2 and it was a buggy mess out of the gate.

FromSoftware keeps releasing the same game and DLC.

Capcom also releases the same game over and over and games like Wilds which are tech disasters.

Square Enix has put out FF16 and FF7 Rebirth... 2 games...

Who are these companies putting out bangers year in and year out that makes Sony look like they're resting on their laurels...

 

[ProtoByte]

Well, what do even expect, then? You already know those expensive AAA games take a lot of time to make.
What's exactly the difference of having God of War and Spider-Man in 2018 versus having Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2 in 2025?

Because 2018 is GOATed and Ghost of Yotei and DS2 look and sound mid af, just like the first games in both franchises.

 

[nial]

Because 2018 is GOATed and Ghost of Yotei and DS2 look and sound mid af, just like the first games in both franchises.

It's a you problem, then?

 

[KungFucius]

My PS5 drive doesn't play "sales numbers", unfortunately.

It doesn't play many compelling 1st party exclusives either. PS6 is gonna be a hard sell.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Sony has dropped the ball this generation for sure.

 

[nial]

ProtoByte Also, curious to hear you opinion on 2019 and 2020 for the GOATStation 4 if you thought both GOT and DS were mid and don't even like AA games.

 

[delirium trigger]

It definitely feels like they've lost a lot of momentum.

We've got some continuation of really great ps4 games but didn't get anything new or exciting.

 

[LakeOf9]

Because 2018 is GOATed and Ghost of Yotei and DS2 look and sound mid af, just like the first games in both franchises.

Ghost of Tsushima, mid

Wtf

Who are these companies putting out bangers year in and year out that makes Sony look like they're resting on their laurels...

No point giving you an answer when you dismiss any responses based on opinion, is there?

 

[TGO]

PS2 having an equal lineup to that by September 2001, or PS3 by May 2008, or PS4 by May 2015, is certainly a take.

They didn't have the big strong developer & publishing power you rave about back then so they relied on real exclusives.
So today's Playstation doesn't get that slack because they are bigger and got more studios than nearly every publisher out there, but those studio's are way behind even smaller studios.
Every recent article you ignore and every recent comments from even Sony indicates they know like everyone else does that they are slacking.
You're working defence for someone that's already pleaded guilty.

 

[semiconscious]

Because 2018 is GOATed and Ghost of Yotei and DS2 look and sound mid af, just like the first games in both franchises.

what? are you implying that the world isn't enthusiastically anticipating yet another samurai game?...

 

[Topher]

Refuses to back their arguments because their arguments have no legs to stand on, but still says they aren't delusional.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

No point giving you an answer when you dismiss any responses based on opinion, is there?

Ask ChatGPT what company has put out the most high quality AAA titles since June of 2020 and tell me what it says. And then ask it if it is biased.

 

[Fake]

DEI/GaaS happened.

 

[Lunarorbit]

Sadly my PS5 hasn't played an actual exclusive in quite awhile and can't remember the last one that stood out to me besides Astro which was great but still, its Astro


If the broad market is happy with the games Sony has been producing thats cool with me, I can't tell people what to like

Seems a decent chunk of people here haven't been thrilled with their output this gen though

Holy shit, I had to look at my trophy list on psnprofiles and the last trophy I have for a ps5 exclusive is on June 2nd last year for helldivers 2. I thought Moss was exclusive but nope it's on a bunch of vr but that was the 2nd closest "exclusive" I have in the last year.

Thats really grim and by far the longest gap in Sony trophies for me

 

[mckmas8808]

Not only should he not compare it to previous generations, but he shouldn't expect the PS6 to change this if he does not consider cross gen games "true exclusives". Cross gen is here to stay. And that's a good thing.

This is true. Weird when people act like Cross Gen games can't be counted. As if people on the PS5 didn't have access to Spider Man Miles Morales.

 

[LakeOf9]

Ask ChatGPT

Bro

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Bro

I wouldn't normally use the argument, but there are a couple things I'm looking for here

Impartiality and a clear and obvious answer.

Sony has been clearing the board the last 5 years and as much as people want to lambast them on forums, they continue to clear.

 

[adamsapple]

Right click > save as.

This will get some mileage.

 

[nial]

They didn't have the big strong developer & publishing power you rave about back then so they relied on real exclusives.

In 2015 they already had as many studios as they do now, and the question still comes in: what other console had a lineup like that 1.5 years in?

So today's Playstation doesn't get that slack because they are bigger and got more studios than nearly every publisher out there, but those studio's are way behind even smaller studios.
Every recent article you ignore and every recent comments from even Sony indicates they know like everyone else does that they are slacking.
You're working defence for someone that's already pleaded guilty.

"b-but...", answer the damn question.
And lol, what recent comments from Sony are you even talking about?

 

[EN250]

Question for you – as much as I dislike the direction Sony went this gen, don't sales numbers conclusively prove that the broader market has no issues? It obviously wouldn't continue doing as well as it has if it wasn't a continually appealing product, surely.

That's only because Nintendo went their own way and didn't got much third party support and Xbox shot itself in both feet, getting the same TP support but losing market share during all these years, leaving Sony to coast this whole gen

If things weren't that easy, they would be pumping quality content out of need and not wasting time and resources chasing trends like GAAS trash

 

[Embearded]

They went after GAAS and hopefully they will course correct

In before "but the sales numbers mean everyone loves what they are doing"

This.

They lost money on the GaaS goose.
Concord + the cancelled games are money down the drain and i am convinced that a Days Gone 2 could have released by now and would have made at least 1$ of profit.

 

[SJRB]

A day in the life of Taul Passi:

1. browse NeoGAF to see what people are talking about at that moment
2. write some fluff piece / hit piece about it
3. submit "article"
4. restart if you haven't reached your daily quota

 

[HeisenbergFX4]

This.

They lost money on the GaaS goose.
Concord + the cancelled games are money down the drain and i am convinced that a Days Gone 2 could have released by now and would have made at least 1$ of profit.

Now Marathon is circling the drain

 

[ProtoByte]

It's a you problem, then?

It's a problem that most of the base is feeling. Do you really see people being excited for Ghost 2 or Death Stranding 2? To anywhere of the same level?

When the critical response and sales for both are somewhat muted, don't be surprised. There's a reason they're behind the PS4 when they should be ahead.

ProtoByte Also, curious to hear you opinion on 2019 and 2020 for the GOATStation 4 if you thought both GOT and DS were mid and don't even like AA games.

2019 was mediocre. Days Gone wasn't terrible but it just doesn't measure up even to Ghost. Death Stranding is just... ugh.

2020 was pretty great, actually. Part II's story was extremely flawed imo, but the gameplay was close to flawless. Ghost was fine, but didn't take itself high enough for my tastes. Even then I could see how tough it was going to be to make a compelling "franchise" out of it. I will count Miles Morales since it was cross gen. Pretty good game.

2018 > 2020 > 2017 >> 2019.

 

[Embearded]

Now Marathon is circling the drain

Sony's sewage system is made of gold.

 

[Artistic]

The hardware is good.

Series S/X is better if we're being honest.

 

[bender]

Thankfully Xbox exclusives are here to save the day.