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Hearthstone |OT4| The warsong has ended, please patron other decks
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Yeah, every deck can run into horrible bursts of luck like this. The special perk of stuff like face hunter or eboladin is that it's not nearly as painful to make up the losses due to the speed of the games.
In my last 68 matches, I have played 0 shamans. I am at rank 3-2. For reference I played mostly mage, warrior, and paladin. I played 1 rogue, and 2 priests.
Surprisingly, like 1/3 of the paladins have been midrange or control, which really surprised me and screwed me over as patron warrior.
Surprisingly, like 1/3 of the paladins have been midrange or control, which really surprised me and screwed me over as patron warrior.
As Rogue is my least interesting class, along side their hero power vs. Inspire as a mechanic, it was something I caught myself pondering about today. What would be the motivation for Rogues to use Inspire cards over their regular ones. Daggering up more than once can be wasteful because of how the 1/2 weapon operates. Does the drawback of destroying one's own weapon each time you hero power outweigh getting a 2-mana cost combo starter on demand? It's what makes the coin so powerful in Rogue, right? Combo starter, free cost, extra mana into whatever you want.
I'm not sure, to be honest. Not all combo effects are created equal. Some have boosted effects, where as others the combo IS the only effect. I can definitely see how Tinker's Oil would be beneficial if they made the change. But seeing garbage like Poisoned Blade is pretty astounding. In the end, it doesn't matter to me all that much. I suppose combo is like pseudo-inspire anyway, in that the mechanic can only function once per turn.
crazygambit
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That might be your problem. You want to maybe trade on the first few turns to clear the board for your minions, but after that it's face all the way (do kill the northshire cleric though). He should trade into your minions because you can outburst him. Leaving your minions on the board with less than 20 health is usually suicide for him, so he'll do the trading for you. You use your weapons and direct spells for removal late game if you have to, but usually face is the place.
That said, Priest is a tough match up because the heal could put them out of range and you'll run out of gas.
CHARGE FORWA.... *thunk*
The coin debate has been going on probably since at least the beta. I completely agree with you but I doubt Blizzard is going to change their minds now.
Yeah, essentially I ran out of steam even with weapons was too far behind. Couldn't take anymore
Outside of Tempo Mage and Rogue there's no advantage to having the coin. Going first is still better. I actually cringe when people come up with combos using the coin about stuff coming out a turn earlier than it should because doing that combo on the next turn without the coin is a negligible difference.
If Lock n Load Hunter becomes a thing then that would be another class that gets advantage from coin.
In all honestly most of the matches that I have won in that brawl was when I had coin as Hunter with LnL.
Point being is that having those decks get a spell advantage from the coin actually helps keep the game balanced. Outside of these decks the coin is significantly less meaningful and does not give you an advantage.
As a Priest with Pyro, coin is everything.
Getting Prophet Velen on the board to make your Shadowform ping for 6 is AMAZING.
FieryBalrog
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It really is insanely hard unless you tech Brawl. I had pretty much a perfect hand, drew most of my deck and still lost to Handlock because 2 executes won't get you through 5+ taunts (double Belcher, 3 giants that got sunfuried, etc.)
crazygambit
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Well it shouldn't give you an advantage. The whole point is to negate the advantage the other player has of going first so you're both equal. It's a clever piece of design.
There was another game of iPad called Shadow Era that was remarkably similar to Hearthstone. Same basic premise, heroes, crystals for mana that increase by 1 each turn, minions, weapons, armor, etc. But it didn't have the coin and balance was shit. Going first was just too good in that game, like 80% win rate in a mirror. That's a problem and I think the coin solves it quite elegantly.
Making it a spell though or activating combos is going too far. In a rogue mirror going second is a huge advantage and that was not the intention of creating the coin in the first place.
BananasWithGuns
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Coldarra Drake is such an annoying card. You either remove it right away or you lose.
There's getting to be way too many cards like that in Hearthstone and I'm not a fan.
There's getting to be way too many cards like that in Hearthstone and I'm not a fan.
The player who goes first still has an advantage of like 6%. I don't remember where I first read it, but here is an old Reddit thread with some of those statistics.
Since going first is still to the advantage, I'm not surprised they have cards that offer a little more help to players who go second.
Those spell or combo cards are the only thing that help cover the 6% advantage the first player has against you, and you have to draw them before you have to use the coin to fix your mana curve.
It seems pretty balanced I think. I would love to see some stats on new decks. Rogue was the only class able to beat the disadvantage before, but now we have tempo mage who can make use of the coin as well.
There were also some stats that showed most players prefer going second, even when they lose more often going second. There is a mind trick where having the coin & card advantage seems better than it really is. I wish I had a link for this, but I can't find the stats right now.
Learn to play faster than 1 card per min. Rope coach!
Should've Kill Commanded the taunt anyway. That was a bad play imo. KK was dead.
He was fishing for lethal with Boom Bots and King Crush.
It wasn't a bad play... what was awful was that he waited until the rope to send the bots in and then make his play based on the bots RNG.
If he got to hit with the 1/1 into Loatheb he would've been in ok shape. But the 1/1 didn't do anything and he failed.
Haunted
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He's often aggravating to watch, so the schadenfreude feels good when roping bites him in the ass.
I'd like to show people how good the Mage deck is, but they just concede as Hunter because no one wants to play with the bad deck.
Has coach lost every game?
So far yes.
He does have Unleash.
Professor Lich
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Does anyone remember when GvG was available time of day wise? I need to know when to be prepared.
I remember the servers getting hammered and a lot of people not being able to get in and open their packs.
If I remember correctly Amaz wanted to open like 200 packs but couldn't and had to wait until the next day to do it.
Going through all the new cards' sounds on Hearthhead now. I like how Crowd Favorite is a Twitch reference.
http://www.hearthhead.com/card=2518/crowd-favorite
http://www.hearthhead.com/card=2518/crowd-favorite
Professor Lich
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Sounds about right. Wonder if pre-orders will help at all if less people barrage the store. Probably not.
I might run Tournament Attende just for his death sound. It's like he got a spear through him, and his last realization is that he dropped his popcorn.
All the sounds are great for sure.
The point is that making it not a spell doesn't make it more equal. It puts the winrate back on the going first side. If you look at winrates in arena, where the coin being a spell is still mostly negligible except for Rogue, you still see higher winrates for going first. By making it not act as a spell, you make the coin mechanic less equal, not more.
Yes.
Same as the rest.
That only happens because brawl decks are garbage. Anyone bringing that shit to constructed and getting le epic value pings next turn is gonna get demolished.
phazedplasma
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how is worgen infiltrator not a beast
wtf blizz
wtf blizz
I was queuing my berserkers, first one went then second one become unresponsive. The rope was going and whatever I did I couldn't select it, I was like ffff DC now??? turns out the guy has conceded before I even hit. This is not fair, I worked so hard for this moment and they give me panic instead of satisfaction? There should be some penalty for conceding. What if I didn't have lethal and you conceded prematurely? I only had 44 damage. see it all the way through please. thanks.
yeah why not? Typically you would need those big drops against classes like control warrior or druid. The other stuff you throw at them tend to exhaust their removals and silence except BGH. warlock, warrior, druids all run BGH. Because of that Boom will get hit on the spot but Tirion can't be killed by BGH. Even if he dies on turn, ashbringer to face can win the game. It's definitely better than boombots here, since you want everything tohit face at that point and boombots can go elsewhere.
yeah why not? Typically you would need those big drops against classes like control warrior or druid. The other stuff you throw at them tend to exhaust their removals and silence except BGH. warlock, warrior, druids all run BGH. Because of that Boom will get hit on the spot but Tirion can't be killed by BGH. Even if he dies on turn, ashbringer to face can win the game. It's definitely better than boombots here, since you want everything tohit face at that point and boombots can go elsewhere.
TetraxShards
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I think I spent an hour watching him try to order McDonalds online that day.
It was a strange time in my life.
I will never support this. Conceding when you have no way back is the right thing to do, it saves time for both players. They've even made it faster now in the new patch, you don't have to watch all the animations queue up now.
The only time I would disagree is if you're at 2 losses in Arena, and that's a big if.
Speaking of saving time, how one can think it's a good idea to ladder with mill rogue? Like really? The game you MIGHT win will take forever and you just lose every other game against aggro. Can you even mill hunter or paladin? seems like a bad idea...
Third time I face a mill rogue with my patron warrior and guess how it ended all three times. Milling isn't the counter to patron. You gotta be so lucky to burn something good, you likely just end up burning card draw.
Third time I face a mill rogue with my patron warrior and guess how it ended all three times. Milling isn't the counter to patron. You gotta be so lucky to burn something good, you likely just end up burning card draw.
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