WesternHeretic
Member
Ooh i turn my face hunter hate into aggro shaman hate long ago.
I did start out the game with eboladin so I don't have too much hate against aggro.
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Ooh i turn my face hunter hate into aggro shaman hate long ago.
I did start out the game with eboladin so I don't have too much hate against aggro.
Super Nothing
Member
Shaman also has garbage card draw and doesn't have enough decent class minions to only play one of each card. They do have a ton of direct damage spells, but they're mostly just used to burn face and come with Overload. And then they have the worst hero power in the game by a wide margin. What Shaman really needs is a sticky class minion like Imp Gang Boss. Shaman's original design looks to trade cheap minions up with Rockbiter and Flame Tongue and then finish off with burst through Al'Akir and Bloodlust, but they never got anything to actually support this strategy. Paladins, Warlocks, and Druids can all flood the board more effectively and can recover better from board wipes and have more consistent finishers once they have board control.
RumblingRosco
Member
Because Blizzard still has no idea what's wrong with Shaman, and for some reason, they keep blowing at least one or two Shaman cards per set on relatively worthless Murloc cards... and then give the best two Murloc cards since Classic to Paladin.
Seriously, Shaman is still my favorite class but I just rarely play them these days because it's too disappointing. Truly, I can only think of two viable decks that Shaman have had in the past two years: Mech Shaman (aggro) and Hyper-Aggro Shaman (aggro; what we see on ladder now adays). In Classic, there were some decent Shaman decks thanks to just how insanely good Fire Elemental was and also how much burst a Shaman could do with Al'akir and Leeroy (pre-nerf) combo'd with Windfury and/or Rockbiter, but those days are long gone.
Oh, and Deathrattle Shaman was moderately OK. Never great.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
How would Shaman even use Reno in an effective way? I'm sure everyone looked at that card and thought Warlock, Mage and Warrior.
Karsticles
Member
Some weird hate on aggro decks when that's all new players really have access to.
Blame Blizzard for making it hard to grow your collection - this isn't my ideal deck, it's just the most effective deck I can afford for ~1000 dust and one expansion wing.
Blame Blizzard for making it hard to grow your collection - this isn't my ideal deck, it's just the most effective deck I can afford for ~1000 dust and one expansion wing.
I can't beat Face Hunter, Priests, and Reno.
Yes. It will become too strong.
Just like in WoW, Blizzard will never get Shamans right. It's my least favorite class (coming from a person who is new to HS).
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I think one of the more interesting things about LoE as someone who cares too much about lore is that the HS team just made shit up. All the legendaries minus Brann aren't WarCraft characters.
That's bound to happen considering they can pump out cards faster than WW can make content/characters.
I played against someone running ResidentSleeper warrior at rank 19. Really dude? You're going to climb ladder playing a deck that needs 15 minutes to close a game? Fuck it, I walked away, made coffee, got ready for work, came back and dude is letting me die to fatigue.
I mean yeah that's generally what we're doing
Was the same for classic warlock zoo before Naxx.
"They just life tap and puke their hand onto the board!!!"
Officerrob
Banned
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Reno. The cards that need to be addressed are MC, Mad Scientist , Piloted Shredder, Force/Roar combo, and Knife Juggler
MC: Lower stats and or a smaller limit on the number of secrets it can pull
Mad Scientist: Lower stats, likely a 1/2, or make it cost 3 mana
Piloted Shredder: Lower stats, 3/3 or 4/2
Force Roar combo: Make force hit minions only and adjust from there
Knife Juggler: Make it so that it only throws a knife when a minion is played, this stops the Muster/Implosion crap
I think Dr. Boom is fine these days, but if they want to lower the boom bot damage (1-3?) that would be ok as well
MC: Lower stats and or a smaller limit on the number of secrets it can pull
Mad Scientist: Lower stats, likely a 1/2, or make it cost 3 mana
Piloted Shredder: Lower stats, 3/3 or 4/2
Force Roar combo: Make force hit minions only and adjust from there
Knife Juggler: Make it so that it only throws a knife when a minion is played, this stops the Muster/Implosion crap
I think Dr. Boom is fine these days, but if they want to lower the boom bot damage (1-3?) that would be ok as well
Princess Carl
Member
Theres still so much to cover, but yeah i suppose.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Kripp getting super salty never fails to crack me up
"There's like a serious RNG switch going on here"
"There's like a serious RNG switch going on here"
Problem with Reno is in the power it offers. It doesn't pull someone back from the brink of death like Healbot, where the game can still be kept in sight. It's a huge swing card that can grant 29 life back if an arbitrary and invisible window is missed. If it was "fine" I don't think Hunters would be where they are right now.
Mad Scientist needs a fundamental redesign or banned. It has clear variable power based on what class is put in. If you made it 3 mana you basically turn it into a Mage card and don't address the fundamental problem. Make it a 1/2 or 1/1 battlecry that discovers a secret from ANY class or something. You could actually balance that and even introduce more expensive secrets in other classes.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Mad Scientist I would not mind being nerfed to the point of being unusable because I'm so sick of that asshole.
I don't see why it isn't a 1/1. Novice Engineer was nowhere near as good as him and she got the nerf bat. Same could be said for Knife Juggler as well.
Blizzard made him intentionally overpowered because they like secrets.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
yep
I do find it odd that all of the great aggro cards are cheap. They even nerfed Leeroy Jenkins, which was the one card an aggro player would aspire to, and Black Knight was made obsolete when they introduced Sludge Belcher, so actually the aggro decks are cheaper now than ever.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Premiere aggro deck seems to be aggro shaman right now which requires LoE and two Doomhammers, so not as cheap as they used to be.
Starting to see Eboladin come back, thought people played secret pally instead because it was more busted. Maybe people finally looked at seal of champions and realized its actually pretty nuts
Starting to see Eboladin come back, thought people played secret pally instead because it was more busted. Maybe people finally looked at seal of champions and realized its actually pretty nuts
But it's so fun! Just kinda middling at best.
Deal 2 to 4 damage and summon that many webspinners. Boom card fixed.
Freeze mage that banned warrior would be pretty nasty.
Paladin queue times would skyrocket
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Freeze Mages would love this. Suddenly your 9-1 matchup is gone.
Professor Lich
Member
After playing WoW for eight years and dabbling very slightly into PvP, both Battlegrounds and Arena, it feels like Blizzard is very against any type of restrictions. Sure it's a different team and different game but it just doesn't feel like how they would want to handle things.
Granted, it's interesting to think about how this as a possibility would turn out. With the exclusion of having to deal with a single class, wouldn't people just be able to refine their their decks even more to a more powerful degree?
Granted, it's interesting to think about how this as a possibility would turn out. With the exclusion of having to deal with a single class, wouldn't people just be able to refine their their decks even more to a more powerful degree?
Haunted
Member
I've played Justicar in Shaman before.And i just made a Reno Shaman deck
The Dream is dead before even starting
Anything is possible.
Everything can work.
Believe in your dreams.
I fucking lost every game.
Acerac
Banned
People get frustrated if they get rushed down before they feel that their decks never had the chance to get going. It makes sense in a way, they get to play only their cheapest cards but there is a lack of interaction between players.
Alternatively, if you play control and negate big targets people also get upset. Doubly so if you're a priest and "steal" their cards. If people get to drop their bombs and they do nothing, it's only natural to get flustered.
Worst of all is if you play mid-range decks. Druid and Secret Paladin transition come out of early game incredibly strong and never let up, they're dropping bombs turn after turn before you've even set up. Whether you die to force/roar or the trio of Dr. 6, 7, and 8, it's impossible to stop these plays in an efficient manner. Once they're set up you might as well just forfeit.
Hearthstone was a mistake. It is nothing but trash.
Personally I think it's worse that attacking a water elemental freezes you for 2 turns.
This game loves to troll. Oh hey, you needed this one card to save you last game, well here are two copies of it on the initial draw for the next game, Oh, You trying to mulligan them out, here, let me put back at least 1 more of them on the retry.
Every single time
Wow, fucking bullshit, So i just found out silence takes away freeze, wtf is that shit, how does that make sense. Wow fuck this game
Every single time
Wow, fucking bullshit, So i just found out silence takes away freeze, wtf is that shit, how does that make sense. Wow fuck this game
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
silence removes all effects and card text, it makes sense.
I'm not talking about taking away card text, I knew that. I had silenced a sylvanas and then used a frostbolt to stop her from raming my face till I could deal with her the next turn. His turn comes up, silences off the frozen effect on his sylvanas and then comes and smack me in the face with it.
I'm fine if it took the card text off something liek I knew it did, but that it could do what I just described is beyond crazy
Thta is selection bias at it's finest. The RNG at time completely screws you over but it can also completely save your ass. The screwups are just more aparent to you because they make you angry.
Haunted
Member
At least now you know!
Professor Lich
Member
Everyone always forgets the best anti-Freeze Mage card...
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
It's for cards like Zombie Chow, Ancient Watcher, Eeerie Statue, Argent Watchman etc
Professor Lich
Member
It also counters Eldric the Pure!
Brofist
Member
There are a handful of cards that if played would completely wreck freeze mage, but they suck in all the other matchups.