Arthas is a much bigger lore character than Kael or Vashj.
I could see those 2 as legendary cards, but I think they'll save Arthas for the inevitable Death Knight class. At least I hope that's what they do.
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I could see those 2 as legendary cards, but I think they'll save Arthas for the inevitable Death Knight class. At least I hope that's what they do.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I always thought they were going to do an ICC adventure and have Arthas be the last boss, but he is the best choice for the DK rep for sure.
Frostmourne would have to have the ability that if you used it to kill a minion, it would resurrect on your side.
Frostmourne would have to have the ability that if you used it to kill a minion, it would resurrect on your side.
He would have to be (although I wouldn't put it past then to make him the purchasable hero portrait). The only other super well known dk is Darion Mograine, and even he isn't as well remembered by the community. I guess you could make an argument for Teron Gorefiend as he was the first ever made dk but not the same type of dk we play as in game or that arthas is, and provably less known now.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Darion Mograine or Gorefiend would work. It's not like Demon Hunters where they are screwed because Illidan is like, the only notable one. Unless they make shit up or use someone from Legion.
The starting quest for dh in legion sets up two new demon hunters and you end up picking which one to follow. One if them might get big
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Yeah it will probably be a Yrel thing, one will get pushed hard
Chmpocalypse
Blizzard
Except that you clearly didn't outplay your opponent. Consistent Reno decks are harder to pilot well. If anything, they outplayed you.
He's right. Reno decks thrive on depriving you of resources and momentum. You're not "outplaying" them in those early turns, they're spending the minimum amount of cards necessary to stay alive while setting up the Reno swing.
Could be his hero power, equip frostmourn.
If it is a legendary weapon for him to play, make it immune to destroy affects (like frostmourn), something like 4 charges, maybe 3 damage, deathrattle any minion killed by frostmourn is revived for the dk as a 2/2 ghoul.
veryslowhand
Banned
so wild to farm portraits standard for the chest?
Someone a few pages back did mention something interesting, if they took a few of the concepts from naxx cards and made those (either the same or slightly tweaked) the standard stuff for dk. Would cut time for the devs when coming up with new class cards. Maybe a few minions and definitely new dk centric spells would still be needed.
You can get ranked rewards in Wild. The chest goes off of whichever rank is higher between Standard or Wild.
RumblingRosco
Member
So can we still get GvG packs from Arena rewards post Standard/Wild release?
Also, I can't see a new class coming out for a while. Like at least a year. They'll want to feel out Standard/Wild for a while before they throw on another variable.
Also, I can't see a new class coming out for a while. Like at least a year. They'll want to feel out Standard/Wild for a while before they throw on another variable.
MMaRsu
Member
-Stacks up poorly against 5hp minions, notably Belcher and 5/5s like Loatheb, Sylvanas, or Shieldmaiden.
-Slow, deathrattle cards do better when they have more attack than health. This made Piloted Sky Golem the better card.
-Doesn't save you against aggro, he was best against decks with poor answers like Priest (before Shrinkmeister and Entomb) and Control Warrior.
-Dr. Boom
If I had to list a top 10 most likely cards to get nerfed from Classic, these would be it:
1) Savage Roar/FoN : One of these cards will get nerfed to deter the combo strat. Probably the single most important interaction to change going forward.
2) Knife Juggler : Even with removal of the tokens and Deathrattle cards, this minion is too string still. Should just be changed to minions played.
3) BGH : This card greatly limits usage of certain current cards and will limit future cards. It will probably get nerfed.
4) Divine Favor : Secret Paladin isn't really going to die until this card is nerfed. They will just vomit their secrets and then draw like 5 more cards. This has always been a busted card design wise.
5) Innervate : This card is a problem for the future but I am not sure how to change it. I think it should just be your next minion costs 2 less and the effect does not stack with another Innervate.
6) Alex : With Loatheb and Healbot gone, this gives Alex free reign to enable combo decks. If BGH gets nerfed then this card might even reach almost Dr Boom status (nah just kidding, Dr Boom still the GOAT).
7) Molten Giant : I think Handlock probably needs some nerf and this is the card to look at especially if they want to touch BGH. Just a slight one so that you don't get an insane turn when you hit 10 HP. This card has always enabled some BS in the game in the past.
8) Owl : Effect is too strong to be on such a cheap creature. I might pass on this if classes get more silence options or if they just move it to Hunter only.
9) Preparation : People have only focused on Druids having a ton of auto includes without looking at other classes mainly Rogue. Rogue's Prep basically makes it so that they have to think three times before adding a high cost combo spell. This probably won't get touched because no one is talking about it but it's most certainly a design constraint from them.
10) Azure Drake : Before there was Loatheb and Belcher, everyone used Azure Drake as their 5 drop. The double utility of spell damage and card draw with balanced stats was very good. Thing is that Blizzard hates auto include cantrips like the Drake so it might get a very small nerf. Think of the comparison between Ogre Magi and this card, then you will realize the difference in quality. For one more mana you get a draw AND the dragon tag. I am not really sure how they would touch it though, maybe distribute the stats so it's a 5/3.
1) Savage Roar/FoN : One of these cards will get nerfed to deter the combo strat. Probably the single most important interaction to change going forward.
2) Knife Juggler : Even with removal of the tokens and Deathrattle cards, this minion is too string still. Should just be changed to minions played.
3) BGH : This card greatly limits usage of certain current cards and will limit future cards. It will probably get nerfed.
4) Divine Favor : Secret Paladin isn't really going to die until this card is nerfed. They will just vomit their secrets and then draw like 5 more cards. This has always been a busted card design wise.
5) Innervate : This card is a problem for the future but I am not sure how to change it. I think it should just be your next minion costs 2 less and the effect does not stack with another Innervate.
6) Alex : With Loatheb and Healbot gone, this gives Alex free reign to enable combo decks. If BGH gets nerfed then this card might even reach almost Dr Boom status (nah just kidding, Dr Boom still the GOAT).
7) Molten Giant : I think Handlock probably needs some nerf and this is the card to look at especially if they want to touch BGH. Just a slight one so that you don't get an insane turn when you hit 10 HP. This card has always enabled some BS in the game in the past.
8) Owl : Effect is too strong to be on such a cheap creature. I might pass on this if classes get more silence options or if they just move it to Hunter only.
9) Preparation : People have only focused on Druids having a ton of auto includes without looking at other classes mainly Rogue. Rogue's Prep basically makes it so that they have to think three times before adding a high cost combo spell. This probably won't get touched because no one is talking about it but it's most certainly a design constraint from them.
10) Azure Drake : Before there was Loatheb and Belcher, everyone used Azure Drake as their 5 drop. The double utility of spell damage and card draw with balanced stats was very good. Thing is that Blizzard hates auto include cantrips like the Drake so it might get a very small nerf. Think of the comparison between Ogre Magi and this card, then you will realize the difference in quality. For one more mana you get a draw AND the dragon tag. I am not really sure how they would touch it though, maybe distribute the stats so it's a 5/3.
Most of these aren't a factor anymore so it's a good time for Cairne's return.
Potential teases about the upcoming expansion have been spotted in the announcement of the format change. Namely in the form of some type of pixie or sprite in the thumbnail of Brode's YT video:
And another one in the image accompanying the blog post:
Those more versed in WoW lore care to speculate on what this may mean for the expansion?
On a related note, I've been trying to find the domain name for it in the WHOIS directory for the past couple days but haven't been able to find anything yet. Maybe these clues can get us on the right path and then it's just a case of trying out different potential expansion names until we hit on the correct one.
And another one in the image accompanying the blog post:
Those more versed in WoW lore care to speculate on what this may mean for the expansion?
On a related note, I've been trying to find the domain name for it in the WHOIS directory for the past couple days but haven't been able to find anything yet. Maybe these clues can get us on the right path and then it's just a case of trying out different potential expansion names until we hit on the correct one.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Also, one expansion is hardly a year, lol
It would be really, really hard to make an expansion about the Emerald Dream since it has never really been expanded on. But hey, Legion will have the Emerald Dream and Ysera shit in it. Only took them 10 years since Emerald Dream stuff has been planned since Beta.
Well so far both of the expansions have been centered more around an event rather than a particular place in WoW lore. The adventures have been more centered around places.
So I suspect the new expansion will be similar in that it won't be called "The Emerald Dream" but maybe some event related to it?
So I suspect the new expansion will be similar in that it won't be called "The Emerald Dream" but maybe some event related to it?
Emerson
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I don't know. Honestly the more time passes, the less likely I think a new class is ever to come out. It's just too much work to catch a new class up with the old ones the longer you wait.
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
The Grand Tournament was the Argent Tournament, a location in Wrath of the Lich King and 95% of the cards had to do with Northerend or the Argent Tournament event, or the dungeon Trial of the Champion and raid Trial of the Crusader which were on the Argent Tournament grounds. You are right for GvG, though. GvG was a hodgepodge from all over like Classic.
It is hard to pinpoint what Blizzard is going for right now. But unless they are prepared to make up tons of shit, they can't really do Emerald Dream and I don't think it's a big enough part of Legion to coincide with some kind of cross promotion. The most prominent Emerald Dream characters are Ysera, Malfurion and Cenarius. All in game already.
veloxStrix
Banned
On another topic, doesn't Anyfin Can Happen just spit in the face of every design pillar Team 5 has stated they follow?
Yes.
Design pillars in HS have always been somewhat of a joke to be honest. I don't think anyone took those seriously after they printed Mysterious Challenger.
It's why we get memes like these:
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
I am going to reinforce that I think the next expansion will be Burning Crusade or Mists of Pandaria based, since those two areas have the least amount of focus. Besides Warlords of Draenor but that is still current so I doubt it will get a whole lot right now.
Ideas for card sets -
A simple "Pandaria" or "Outland" card set would be my guess. You could include characters like Vashj and Kael'thas that are missing from the game, but popular in the Outland set and wouldn't need to lock it down to something specific. These are entire continents that have been basically untapped aside from a few stragglers like Gruul and Shado-Pan Rider.
Mists of Pandaria -
Timeless Isle. I think there is enough packed onto that one area to make 100+ cards and multiple legendaries. They could draw from other areas of Pandaria as well like they did with TGT.
Burning Crusade
Caverns of Time. That was introduced in BC. I'm cheating!
Adventures -
Burning Crusade -
Karazhan. Obviously. One of the most beloved raids with a strong identity, plenty of enemies and bosses and a great aesthetic.
The Eye. Three dungeons plus a raid centering around Kael'thas Sunstrider.
Hellfire Citadel has a ton of dungeons and a few raids associated with it. They could even use the Warlors of Draenor Hellfire Citadel but that would be too much for one expansion.
MoP -
Throne of Thunder has a lot of bosses and you could also include Isle of Thunder. Also I want a Lei Shen legendary.
Siege of Orgrimmar...probably won't happen, considering the final boss is Garrosh Hellscream. Well, who knows. That doesn't exactly count it out entirely.
Ideas for card sets -
A simple "Pandaria" or "Outland" card set would be my guess. You could include characters like Vashj and Kael'thas that are missing from the game, but popular in the Outland set and wouldn't need to lock it down to something specific. These are entire continents that have been basically untapped aside from a few stragglers like Gruul and Shado-Pan Rider.
Mists of Pandaria -
Timeless Isle. I think there is enough packed onto that one area to make 100+ cards and multiple legendaries. They could draw from other areas of Pandaria as well like they did with TGT.
Burning Crusade
Caverns of Time. That was introduced in BC. I'm cheating!
Adventures -
Burning Crusade -
Karazhan. Obviously. One of the most beloved raids with a strong identity, plenty of enemies and bosses and a great aesthetic.
The Eye. Three dungeons plus a raid centering around Kael'thas Sunstrider.
Hellfire Citadel has a ton of dungeons and a few raids associated with it. They could even use the Warlors of Draenor Hellfire Citadel but that would be too much for one expansion.
MoP -
Throne of Thunder has a lot of bosses and you could also include Isle of Thunder. Also I want a Lei Shen legendary.
Siege of Orgrimmar...probably won't happen, considering the final boss is Garrosh Hellscream. Well, who knows. That doesn't exactly count it out entirely.
poppedcollar69
Member
i shouldnt have fucking crafted boom i should have fucking waited it out
god damn it
bliz better give me some kind of dust refund. at least SOMETHING
god damn it
bliz better give me some kind of dust refund. at least SOMETHING
RumblingRosco
Member
Not with Standard. Just drop it with a new set cycling out a bunch of old cards. Make the new set an adventure mode that only has the new class's cards plus like 1 card for all other classes. Throw in a few basic cards for getting the class to ten.
I mean, there are a ton of ways to add a new class. I am purely speculating, but I really can't see a new class anytime soon. At this point with Standard they can add the class at any time going forward and the amount of cards the new class will be thrown up against will always be roughly the same.
If Blizzard lets you DE GvG/Naxx cards for full cost after the format change then no one will need to buy the expansion if they plan to play Standard because you could just DE your garbage GvG cards and essentially trade up for good expansion cards.
That will never happen though.
That will never happen though.
Acerac
Banned
We get jokes like that because people don't understand collectible card games.
Professor Lich
Member
And everybody is a game designer, it's so easy!
The orginal meme came from the Leeroy nerf and that was fine and dandy (the reason for the nerf that is).
Since then they haven't touched Combo Druid and then introduced Grim Patron combo, Mysterious Challenger and now Anyfin combo. They were very slow to change these non interactive strats and some still haven't been fixed so the initial Leeroy nerf explanation looks stupid in hindsight and meme worthy.
I can't wait to read the explanations of the classic cards that will get nerfed. The stream monsters are going to go HAM with the dank memes. I want Blizzard to reverse troll and just copy/paste the Leeroy explanation for SR/FoN.
I just crafted Golden Dr.7 Loatheb x2 Sludge Beltcher x2 Zombie Chow 😭
I'm actually fine with it, but I really enjoy collecting goldens and thought I was at least thought I was safe with adventures.
Now I want to just commit hard to classic and try to collect all of those, but I'm still a little hesitant because what if they change their mind on it?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Wait until announced nerfs at least.
Cho is good in some Brawls. Greenskin...might be ok at some point?
irfaanator
Banned
they won't based on zeriyah's (?) post on the official forums
markofhavoc
Member
Greenskin is fun in this brawl
I haven't seen all the brawls yet, which ones does he do well in? Is it those ones where you have to play with the other person to kill the one giant NPC?
MetroidPrimeRib
Banned
Those arent constructed, but he can be goofy in any spell based constructed brawl
Ah, well guess I'll keep him around for just in case situations.
I would chalk this one up to Blizzard not thinking about how that would play out. I think the card was entirely meant to be a way for an aggro murloc Paladin to recover on the late game. Ben Brode's comments during its reveal show that.
That's why I don't think Blizzard will actually nerf the card. If any card gets nerfed, it'll be Old Murk Eye. Blizzard doesn't like weird charge cards that enable OTKs or huge bursts and that is ultimately what OME is and he is what is driving the OTK. Double Bluegill Double Warleader is only 12 damage.
Karsticles
Member
The best thing Blizzard could do would be to create the Death Knight class and move some of the Naxx cards to it as class cards to keep them current. Even though they were crap cards, I love MtG 1/1s with regenerate. The only thing I love more than demons is an army of the undead.
I'm using a deck that costs less than 1000 dust against a guy that dropped Mal'ganis, Jaxxaris, Reno, Kel'Thuzad, AND Dreadsteed all in one match, and I still almost won. If that isn't outplaying, then I don't know what is. Sure, if you're talking two tweaked decks, then the disadvantage of solo cards is a big deal. If you're talking a tweaked deck vs. a beginner deck, then it's a different story.
SonicXtreme
Member
if they just made it refill 2 mana crystals it'd be pretty fair imo, it's not like druid doesn't have plenty of ways to gain card draw anyhow.
if you're sad you pulled cho look up some fun cho decks and have some fun in casual. i've faced some decks that while they aren't competitive, they put me in hilariously bad spots if the cho dude set them up correctly, don't be sad you pulled him put together some LOL decks and enjoy the times you draw into stupid situations that totally handcuff your opponent
RumblingRosco
Member
My Ragnaros had 3 targets, 4 targets, and then 5 targets. Goes face each time when I needed him to hit any minion each time. 33% chance, 25% chance, and 20% chance = 1.65% chance to occur.
Dammit Ragnaros wtf.
Dammit Ragnaros wtf.
WesternHeretic
Member
Malganis and jaxx are both a 9 drop though unless you get it in hand and a void caller which is still a 4 drop. And if they are holding all of these then they are essentially holding dead cards until they have the mana to play them. You play Zoo right? Your deck is built around having the board and playing aggressive. Reno isnt so just because the life points may be close in the end doesn't mean it was a close match. Different decks have different win conditions. Like someone who plays a demonlock might seem like they are close and in the verge of losing but they could of had control the whole time while the other player doesn't realize it.
I personally look at any match in 3 category at any point. Who has life advantage? Who has board advantage? And who has card advantage?
For example a game where you might have life advantage but the other player has board and card I wouldn't say the player with the life advantage is winning or played great.
Then again you can always top deck lethal from burst.
