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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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LyleLanley
Banned
Nice.
Yup, it's really dumb. Its power doesn't come from being able to trade into a 3HP minion. It's the low cost and the unlimited effect.
Main thing I got from that nerf list was:
*Druid Combo nerfed but Aggressive/Midrange Druid lists still strong due to untouched Savage Roar.
*Aggro all around got a big hit. Arcane Golem was used in many aggressive decks same with Juggler and Owl. The Juggler nerf wasn't as big as I expected, it's only one stat change and will still see quite a bit of play. Leper Gnome also changed, though I though they would do 2/1 and deal 1 damage to face.
*Rogue AOE/burst damage got nerfed with Blade Flurry. Not all that surprising but I certainly didn't have that card in my top 15 list.
*Molten Giant nerf makes this card very hard to play in Handlock. At 5 HP is where you get it at 0 mana and that's really dicey. This might not make it playable anymore.
No changes to Rockbiter/Doomhammer and no change to Alex means Aggro Shaman and Freeze Mage will still be crazy good which means there's still plenty of ways to die with no board.
*Druid Combo nerfed but Aggressive/Midrange Druid lists still strong due to untouched Savage Roar.
*Aggro all around got a big hit. Arcane Golem was used in many aggressive decks same with Juggler and Owl. The Juggler nerf wasn't as big as I expected, it's only one stat change and will still see quite a bit of play. Leper Gnome also changed, though I though they would do 2/1 and deal 1 damage to face.
*Rogue AOE/burst damage got nerfed with Blade Flurry. Not all that surprising but I certainly didn't have that card in my top 15 list.
*Molten Giant nerf makes this card very hard to play in Handlock. At 5 HP is where you get it at 0 mana and that's really dicey. This might not make it playable anymore.
No changes to Rockbiter/Doomhammer and no change to Alex means Aggro Shaman and Freeze Mage will still be crazy good which means there's still plenty of ways to die with no board.
Knife Juggler is actually about what I was expecting after the IGN interview.
With far less tokens in play, making it unable to trade with 2/3s seems more than sufficient.
Permanently A
Junior Member
BLIZZARD
BLIZZAAAAAAAAAAAARD
WHAT ABOUT THIS PIECE OF SHIT
Got golden millhouse from my brawl pack 
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I just realized that the weekly brawl packs also serve as a buffer against getting current expansion legendaries due to the pity timer. Because I open a classic brawl pack each week, I'll most likely get pity legendaries I already have from classic. Not that this was the main reason packs stayed as rewards for brawls, but it's certainly a side effect they'd like.
Once I start spending gold again next week, it won't be quite as likely, but it'll still be a factor.
Has anybody tested whether or not the pity counter is used upon earning a pack vs when you actually open it? It would be difficult/expensive to test, but you could earn/buy 40 packs and then earn/buy another 40 of another type. Each type should have at least one legendary. If one type ended up with two and the other none, then it must be calculated when you actually open a pack.
Maybe I could just stop opening up the classic packs until I have everything I want from the current set.
.I just realized that the weekly brawl packs also serve as a buffer against getting current expansion legendaries due to the pity timer. Because I open a classic brawl pack each week, I'll most likely get pity legendaries I already have from classic. Not that this was the main reason packs stayed as rewards for brawls, but it's certainly a side effect they'd like.
Once I start spending gold again next week, it won't be quite as likely, but it'll still be a factor.
Has anybody tested whether or not the pity counter is used upon earning a pack vs when you actually open it? It would be difficult/expensive to test, but you could earn/buy 40 packs and then earn/buy another 40 of another type. Each type should have at least one legendary. If one type ended up with two and the other none, then it must be calculated when you actually open a pack.
Maybe I could just stop opening up the classic packs until I have everything I want from the current set.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Most glaring omission is Alexstrasza. Leaving Freeze Mage untouched is going to be such a massive mistake, especially with Loatheb and Healbot gone. Hope you guy like playing control Warrior.
Also Rockbiter/Doomhammer not being touched means aggro Shaman will be essentially untouched as well.
And yeah, not nerfing Divine Favor is beyond stupid. Fuck Paladin.
Also Rockbiter/Doomhammer not being touched means aggro Shaman will be essentially untouched as well.
And yeah, not nerfing Divine Favor is beyond stupid. Fuck Paladin.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
omg blade fury
Is this the first time blizz may have under-nerfed a card? Guess I'll continue to be recked by KJ + implosion.
At least make Ancient of Lore a 6/5 or something. Geez. Too much, Blizzard, too fucking much.
Ah yes, that too. Drawing 2 cards with a minion is too much, vomiting out your hand and drawing 5+ for nothing is balanced tho.... fuck that.
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Ah yes, that too. Drawing 2 cards with a minion is too much, vomiting out your hand and drawing 5+ for nothing is balanced tho.... fuck that.
GwyndolinCinder
Member
where is the alex change????
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I don't understand though, did Blade Flurry need to be 4 mana? I feel like it'd be fine at 2 or even 3.
Is it a major problem in Hunters though? They weren't exactly rocking the world with Knife Juggler as it was already, and Paladins can't combo it with Muster for Battle anymore.
OMG I just read the Blade Flurry text.
It only effects minions!!!
Absolutely DUMPED ON!!!
Paladin may not have Muster but they have Stand for Darkness now. You just can't let Juggler live against a Paladin now either.
It only effects minions!!!
Absolutely DUMPED ON!!!
I am saying it was an auto include card for Hunter and it will remain an auto include card. Whether or not that's OP is up for debate.
Paladin may not have Muster but they have Stand for Darkness now. You just can't let Juggler live against a Paladin now either.
Well that or freeze mage mirrors, see who can discount the most burn and get their alex first.
BananasWithGuns
Member
Yeah I just saw that too.
That card has been taken out back and shot. It'll never be put in another deck again.
I would be fine with the minion only change but there's no way they can justify the mana increase on top of that.
Officerrob
Banned
Blade Flurry got completely shit on. If it can only hit minions, there is no need to raise the mana cost
Can only hope rogue gets a good weapon w/ a good deathrattle on it to justify it. That's the only way it ever gets used again.
Alex isn't nerfed but blade flurry have to be removed from the game.
Good luck playing that control rogue without board clear. 4 mana have to be combo'd with something and destroys your weapon, unplayable
ancient of lore is unplayable, you won't play a 7 mana draw 1 card ever.
other nerfs seem fine but they have to fuck up rogue and doomhammer is in the game still, good luck with your slow standard meta.
pretty mediocre.
Good luck playing that control rogue without board clear. 4 mana have to be combo'd with something and destroys your weapon, unplayable
ancient of lore is unplayable, you won't play a 7 mana draw 1 card ever.
other nerfs seem fine but they have to fuck up rogue and doomhammer is in the game still, good luck with your slow standard meta.
pretty mediocre.
Haven't thought about it much but is this pushing rogues into a scenario where they don't run deadly poison? It seems like with blade flurry being such a tempo hit it might be better to run other stuff entirely rather than poisons+flurry.
I'm still baffled by Alexstrasza. Why the hell would you not nerf her. Now, unless you're a control warrior, there is no way to get out of the range of burn after shes dropped. You might as well concede, be a control warrior with over 20+ armor or be playing reno. It makes no sense.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I'm really concerned about aggro Shaman.
Yeah just remove 245 cards instead of nerfing 12.
Such a high bar to clear ;P
I mean, most constructed decks don't even add ANY weapons to rogue, right? Just weapon buffs.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
I think there was some confusion at Blizzard as half of them said to up the mana cost of blade flurry, half of them said to only have it target minions, so they compromised and did both.
It's a +1/+1 Azure Drake that costs 2 more and doesn't give spell damage, and nobody cares about that heal in 90% of games.
Molten Giant too, but 0 mana cards are always going to be a problem in the future, so that's fair.
I think Keeper of the Grove nerf is one bit too far too. It'd be interesting to see how it would've worked at 5 mana instead of a 2/2 body and keeping it at 4.
Maybe that's what it's missing. Give it +1 spell damage.
I dunno. It is still a huge swing card and it's existence is a large reason big minions not named boom are ignored.