Well, I don't see how any of that is relevant to my point. My point is that it isn't a tool that Shamans (who can play fast decks too) have, full stop. So to say that Shaman variations are as ridiculous as Secret Paladin variations is a bit of a stretch.
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Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
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Well, I don't see how any of that is relevant to my point. My point is that it isn't a tool that Shamans (who can play fast decks too) have, full stop. So to say that Shaman variations are as ridiculous as Secret Paladin variations is a bit of a stretch.
Gentle Rodriguez
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I'm just disagreeing with you saying Divine Favor is a "general Paladin problem" when it's only viable in certain archetypes, I agree with your overall point.
I just said it that way because it wasn't exclusively a "Secret Paladin" problem, which is what the other posters where talking about. I meant that it could work in other decks not that it worked in every single variation of Paladin, or in Control Paladin, etc. just that i worked in some non-Secret Paladin too. It wasn't tied to the specific archetype.
Shamans can make all sorts of grievous mistakes, bad trades, fuck up their overload and still win. I think I'm legitimately at 0% against them so far in Standard except when I played Freeze Mage.
Its not meant to be literal, but maybe..
BLIZZARD PLS
So it's what, a figurative hammer? It just seems really weird.
Paladins in wow have spells like hammer of justice,lights hammer,hammer of the righteous and hammer of wrath that you use without actually having a hammer equipped. In fact hammer of wrath and lights hammer are a magical hammer paladins can create from the light.
I guess you can compare it a bit to the green lantern corps rings, where they can make whatever they want with it, paladins manifest the light as hammers
Wish they'd just let us buy her. Not everyone has a computer.
Got a swank, all-powerful Paladin N'zoth deck, but still playing the jank version I'm Priest.
I considered dusting that golden Tirion for a new Hogger. Wish I hadn't pulled the Lightlord or I never would have been looking at Paladin legendaries.
Got a swank, all-powerful Paladin N'zoth deck, but still playing the jank version I'm Priest.
I considered dusting that golden Tirion for a new Hogger. Wish I hadn't pulled the Lightlord or I never would have been looking at Paladin legendaries.
Infernodash
Member
There is nothing like a Priest game. Forbidden shaping and Palatress brings forth Rags, Tyrion, and Aviana... Lol. Sometimes these wins are just too easy. Still wish I didn't have to always rely on insane pulls to win consistently.
Here I am trying to play flood zoo with everybody raving about Darkshire Councilman (and he is good) but I fail 3 times trying to rank up to Rank 5 with it.
Then I go to Midrange Hunter and put everybody on an 8 Turn Clock and get it immediately.
Call of the Wild is real, guys.
Then I go to Midrange Hunter and put everybody on an 8 Turn Clock and get it immediately.
Call of the Wild is real, guys.
Woke up, got excited there was a tournament to watch, saw mad scientist in a freeze mage, closed that tab immediately.
I have much respect for the folks out there who can craft and refine decks. I'm trying to make a Control Warrior in standard that doesn't rely on C'thun synergy, and it just doesn't feel like 30 cards is enough to get in everything I want.
Here's the first draft of my list, and here's an example of when it works:
That's Doomhammer I've got equipped, by the way, and a second Grom in my hand I got from Blood Brothers.
Not sure it's even worth playing CW without C'thun since that means forgoing Ancient Shieldbearer and Twin Emperor, but I feel like's there some way to make it work.
I have spent most of my Hearthstone time yesterday refining Control Warrior and eventually came up with this
I originally went with a Reno build but eventually it morphed into this. I must have hit a sweet spot at some point because I went on an 11 game win streak at the end of the day and am close enough to Legend now that I may go for it today!
I tried Blood Warriors but was never able to get more than one or two hits with it so I dropped it. I also dropped Arcanite Reaper for Kokron Elite and second Brawl at some point.
Blood to Ichor is an insane card, just outclasses Cruel Taskmaster in my opinion. I have stalled out so many early game decks with that card. Hardcounters Argent Squire haha. I would also give Blood Knight a try (potentially with Sparring Partner) if you have it.
Shifter Zerus is also a fun card to play and I think it is actually pretty good in long game decks like this since you have the opportunity to wait until you find the right minion at the right time.
The last card on the list is a Varian Wrynn that I have been running in Control Warrior since I opened a golden one in a pack months ago. I still don't know if it is good but I can't not run it because its fun
It wrecks Mid-range decks (getting taunts/charge minions off it it is great). Against Control decks I can always turn it into a random legendary if I am worried about losing the Fatigue battle.
There is nothing like a Priest game. Forbidden shaping and Palatress brings forth Rags, Tyrion, and Aviana... Lol. Sometimes these wins are just too easy. Still wish I didn't have to always rely on insane pulls to win consistently.
What the heck is that, Dragon C'thun with Shaping?
They summon hammers of light out of holy magic.
yup, fuck this game, You think reynad has bad RNG? I wish i had Reynads RNG.
This fucking brawl, apart from being stupid as fuck, gave me a me gelbin, fine you think. Play it i get the Poultryizer. Ok, my opponent has a board maybe it can do work. Fist time up, it chickens one of my guys, ok I think, random, better luck next time. My opponent gets a bigger board for the next one, surely this time It'll help, it chickens melkin. fuck, ok. Third turn comes around, the think chickens itself. This game can go fuck itself
This fucking brawl, apart from being stupid as fuck, gave me a me gelbin, fine you think. Play it i get the Poultryizer. Ok, my opponent has a board maybe it can do work. Fist time up, it chickens one of my guys, ok I think, random, better luck next time. My opponent gets a bigger board for the next one, surely this time It'll help, it chickens melkin. fuck, ok. Third turn comes around, the think chickens itself. This game can go fuck itself
Infernodash
Member
It's a Dragon deck with Paletress, Elise, and shaping as backup win conditions. I have a CTHUN deck I'm refining but it's looking pretty outclassed by the Rogue, Druid, and Warrior equivalent.
TetraxShards
Member
I laughed. I almost got to 10 this month, first time I seriously laddered in months. 11 and max stars, lost a game to Yogg. Enough Hearthstone for this season.
I'd love another EU tournament after a few more weeks though. Last one was fantastic fun, even though I went out in the first round it was the most fun game I played that year. NA guys should do one too.
Think it's this:
When I played my Paladin for the Liadrin hero, they had a magic hammer thing as well that would crash on top of people.
slightconfuse
Banned
Shadow strike is such an insane card for 3 mana
LucidMomentum
Member
On a win streak, first time I've hit 14 just like the other poster.
I'm super stoked. I have to pack for a week long trip tonight, but I put hearthstone on my phone so I'll manage without DSIII for the week.
Portugeezer
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Yeah it's just one of those cards in which its downside isn't really that bad. Basically kill most 4 and a lot of 5 mana minions for 3 mana.
poppedcollar69
Member
What if they gave evolve "overload: 10"
Oh wait, no, that's just a trogg buff
Oh wait, no, that's just a trogg buff
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Damn why wasn't I playing upgrade in my pirate deck, that's going in.
TetraxShards
Member
It's more that Danj's run of luck has ascended to memetic status in this thread.
Probably one of the best direct removal spells in the game right now. Although not as good as Fireball.
Blood knight I may tech in if I start seeing Paladin, but where I'm at (15-10 up and down) there aren't any. Mostly I'm facing zoo with the occasional Rogue or C'Thun deck.
Shifter I didn't pull and isn't a crafting priority for me--it's a fun card, for sure, and if I had it I'd tech it in to see what I could do.
Varian I dislike in the style of CW I like to play because I rely so much on my battlecries. If I lose the Justicar battlecry, for example, and I'm also trying Malkorok out, which so far has been better than just running an Arcanite Reaper in that spot. Puts something on board and even a bad weapon is pretty decent for reach or to give me a ping. Only got Cursed Blade once and it was a non-issue.
Blood Brothers is a fun one of--card advantage really helps the control game, anytime you can get it without getting closer to fatigue I think is very powerful. I even run Blood Brothers in my C'thun Warrior:
I don't like C'thun itself, but the synergy cards are very strong. Bran+Ancient Shieldbearer is 20 armor. Bran+Twin Emperor is three big taunts. People also prioritize removing Bran which means an Ancient or an Emperor can stick and then I can dupe it with Blood Brothers for another 10 armor or big Taunt.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
But your trogg would no longer be a trogg.
poppedcollar69
Member
I wish jaraxxus had interactions with the old gods. Hes part of the burning legion, they have beef with the old gods. I still wish the old gods talked at each other if they wer eon the board at the same time, they all disliked each other
Weird seeing so many Sylvanas now compared to before the expansion.
Theres a really aggro pirate warrior deck right now, I'm sure you could find a spot for them in there
Weird seeing so many Sylvanas now compared to before the expansion.
Theres a really aggro pirate warrior deck right now, I'm sure you could find a spot for them in there
I'm quite sure control is just going to morph into cthun fully, it's pretty much all I see people playing with at the moment in terms of warrior, that and patron of course since it's still strong. (Very strong with zoo and shaman being popular)
I'm loving it at the moment, both decks flow nicely. Druid is still the best cthun deck by far but warrior offers much more after the fact, cthun just feels like he's chilling there as a board clear and not much more and I like it.
Playing double brawl because fuck shaman and shaman culture. (Which is working great by the way peaked at 96 with it)
I'm loving it at the moment, both decks flow nicely. Druid is still the best cthun deck by far but warrior offers much more after the fact, cthun just feels like he's chilling there as a board clear and not much more and I like it.
Playing double brawl because fuck shaman and shaman culture. (Which is working great by the way peaked at 96 with it)
Blood knight I may tech in if I start seeing Paladin, but where I'm at (15-10 up and down) there aren't any. Mostly I'm facing zoo with the occasional Rogue or C'Thun deck.
Shifter I didn't pull and isn't a crafting priority for me--it's a fun card, for sure, and if I had it I'd tech it in to see what I could do.
Varian I dislike in the style of CW I like to play because I rely so much on my battlecries. If I lose the Justicar battlecry, for example, and I'm also trying Malkorok out, which so far has been better than just running an Arcanite Reaper in that spot. Puts something on board and even a bad weapon is pretty decent for reach or to give me a ping. Only got Cursed Blade once and it was a non-issue.
Blood Brothers is a fun one of--card advantage really helps the control game, anytime you can get it without getting closer to fatigue I think is very powerful. I even run Blood Brothers in my C'thun Warrior:
I don't like C'thun itself, but the synergy cards are very strong. Bran+Ancient Shieldbearer is 20 armor. Bran+Twin Emperor is three big taunts. People also prioritize removing Bran which means an Ancient or an Emperor can stick and then I can dupe it with Blood Brothers for another 10 armor or big Taunt.
Sorry I mean Black Knight not Blood Knight! Also try Blood to Ichor I love that card.
slightconfuse
Banned
Nothing like having your C'thun killed, playing doomsayer and top decking C'thun
LucidMomentum
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Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Hence I prefer humiliating cthun and keeping it on board as 1/18
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I was interested to watch this millenium tournament, despite it being cast in french.
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Professor Lich
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I KNEW IT!
The way Twilight Summoner says his entrance line makes me laugh.
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Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Miracle rogue is doing quite well on ladder. I think he just got some bad luck. Ryzen brought malygos rogue up the ladder quite a bit. Running almost the exact same list as I was too, whereas I had middling result (I'm a malyrogue noob though).
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
I actually think miracle rogue is a superb pick in the tournament, because if people are running cthun decks (and they are), miracle rogue matches up really well against them. I only saw him lose to the cthun druid list, I think in most games he wins that match up with even average draws. But he had saps, preps, sinister strike (i think) and never drew into a draw engine. I didn't pay that much attention to it because it seemed like a slaughter and over twitter he said he lost due to bad draws.
Black Knight makes more sense! I would like room for him and Harrison but hard to cut anything. 5-1 so far and back to rank 10 so I'm pleased.
Blackout had rank 1 for like a day and a half with it I believe, malyrogue as well as chessdude.