Mobius and pet octopus
Member
C'thun Invented Evolution
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
Hearthstone |OT6| C'THUN for President! Why pick the lesser evil?
- Thread starter ZealousD
- Start date
C'thun Invented Evolution
"Wow..." - Anduin looking at the cards everyone else got this expansion.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Knife juggler is still complete bullshit of a card. Nerf did nothing.
Skill is always an interesting term for proficiency in this game.
For example I have Lifecoach stream on in the background, he made his new Y'shaaraj deck and he is already at rank 7 from 18 in just this afternoon. Some of his wins are the luckiest bullshit I've ever seen.
This is the typical stuff I see with popular streamers. The funny part is half the chat questions every play he makes while he flies up the ladder.
I think the reality is that the game is full of random events and you build decks the best you can to navigate the games with the best curve according to your game plan. Sometimes you get shitty match ups (Freeze vs Control Warrior) or you get blown out by a low curve deck (Zoo) even if you are teched to beat them.
Lifecoach does well with Hearthstone because he plays, what he feels, is the best possible deck and he plays every turn with well thought out plans for possible outcomes.
For example I have Lifecoach stream on in the background, he made his new Y'shaaraj deck and he is already at rank 7 from 18 in just this afternoon. Some of his wins are the luckiest bullshit I've ever seen.
This is the typical stuff I see with popular streamers. The funny part is half the chat questions every play he makes while he flies up the ladder.
I think the reality is that the game is full of random events and you build decks the best you can to navigate the games with the best curve according to your game plan. Sometimes you get shitty match ups (Freeze vs Control Warrior) or you get blown out by a low curve deck (Zoo) even if you are teched to beat them.
Lifecoach does well with Hearthstone because he plays, what he feels, is the best possible deck and he plays every turn with well thought out plans for possible outcomes.
What about decks without legends as socialist? One legend can be is tyrannic. Multiple legends is oligarchic.
I'm working on a new tyrannic theist shaman brew.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
Lifecoach always approaches the game from discerning the play that has the highest possible chance to win, even from a deck building perspective. I think finding the absolute best chance to win every single turn is actually really hard considering all the variables.
Karsticles
Member
What's your deck?
toddhunter
Member
Maybe next expansion they can give Priest discover based evolution cards.
Then things will get spicy.
Yeah it did. You'd see a lot more of it if it wasn't nerfed. Every time you see a Flame Juggler, just imagine that's a Knife Juggler.
The nerf changed it from the best 2-drop in the game to a thing you play in a flood deck.
irfaanator
Banned
yea ropecoach really thinks about the action of his play and what the opponent can do on the next turn and tries to find the best course of action. Then he makes weird noises when it works out.
I made it to rank 16 today and it is only day 2. I hope this is the first month I make it to 5.
I've figured out how to make my c'thun druid deck win against N'zoth. Mulligan for wild growth and a mire keeper then charge to the face with only minimal trades. Also I think it is worth keeping C'thun in your hand as long as you are not facing a shaman.
In general a wild growth and mire keeper in hand at the beginning is almost certain victory against anything even without C'thun.
By the way what is a good replacement for Emperor in the 6 slot? I feel like he is not worth the tempo loss despite the mana decrease. I'm leaning toward a boulder fist ogre since I already have sylvanas in the deck and I just don't know what would be better.
Any suggestions?
I've figured out how to make my c'thun druid deck win against N'zoth. Mulligan for wild growth and a mire keeper then charge to the face with only minimal trades. Also I think it is worth keeping C'thun in your hand as long as you are not facing a shaman.
In general a wild growth and mire keeper in hand at the beginning is almost certain victory against anything even without C'thun.
By the way what is a good replacement for Emperor in the 6 slot? I feel like he is not worth the tempo loss despite the mana decrease. I'm leaning toward a boulder fist ogre since I already have sylvanas in the deck and I just don't know what would be better.
Any suggestions?
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
You could argue that the nerf didn't do enough but I wouldn't say knife juggler is the reason Zoo is still as insane as ever, that's more because of Warlock's hero power and the power of 1 drops.
A socialist deck runs two equalities.
Hohoho
There is apparently a subset of diehards who are trying to make a neo-Backspace Rogue work. I suppose there are people who will make every list try to work, but without Arcane Golem and with 5 cost Leeroy, plus this new guy put Xaril in his list.. makes me think it's probably not optimal. That mantid is as far from an aggro card as they come.
Mobius and pet octopus
Member
You think just because someone includes flame juggler they aren't running knife juggler or that they shouldn't be running knife juggler?
And nearly every single aggro deck in the game is about flooding the board, so you're pretty much describing every single aggro deck.
edit:
Hell, even my tempo rogue deck should be running knife juggler. I am just more interested in seeing how other card combinations play out, like huckster. It worked well enough in LOE pre-nerf. The 1 attack reduction means nothing.
I don't think I've seen a single deck that runs both.
Aggro decks that go face and rely on direct-face burn don't flood the board. See: Face Hunter. Or just hunter in general these days.
I played the new zoo a decent amount and would actualy mulligan juggler away when would not happen before. He's still good with cards like forbidden tentacles but that's later in the game. I think he's not worth it in hunter anymore, not sure about aggro pally lists.
This is god damn stupid now.
At least I didn't imagine it and it's a real documented thing.
lol just last night I was googling "priest alternate hero"
give sally whitemane
this is also the reason I don't play shaman and druid
RecRoulette
Member
Knife Juggler can't trade with 2/3s alone anymore, and since a ton of people are using them thanks to C'thun, that's a pretty big deal. That's what stood out to me the most
It also doesn't trade favorably with 1/3's anymore. So Juggler doesn't straight up kill Voidwalkers, Northshire Clerics, Mana Wyrms, or Tunnel Troggs.
Man-is-Obsolete
Member
Knife juggler value is comboing a flood. And it got a great flood combo with that tentacle card.
Karsticles
Member
I think Knife Juggler is perfect now. Still a great combo card, but a bad card played on curve in most situations.
Stephen_drewz
Member
Feel your pain. My best is also 3. My issue though is that I let 'ladder anxiety' get the best of me and I don't play enough.
Stupid I know
I must be doing something wrong. I went through two equality / wipes, one consecrate, and a Forbidden healing.
Guess I just need to L2P Paladin, I only have 30 wins with Duhther.
i never line up any combos. Mech warper into piloted shredder, pinging an enrage target with a minion's battlecry, or last arena where a druid had an addled grizzly into an echoing ooze which was crazy good stats. I am starting to play better, pro tip: Don't go face with a Worgen Infiltror against someone that can kill it with a hero power, save it to kill a two hp minion.
Yeah, good post.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Watch good arena streamers, helped me out a ton. What really helps is to check out a vod of an arena run and every time it's the streamer's turn pause the video and ask yourself how you would play that turn, then unpause, see what they did and think about how/why that differed from what you would have done. You'll learn a lot this way.
You can do the same with drafting, watch how they draft and compare it with what you would have drafted.
At some point spamming arena runs and hoping you'll get better becomes the equivalent of banging your head against the wall.
toddhunter
Member
Trade?
Well, how else do you deal with taunt! Me can't attack face because me must attack minion with taunt!
Professor Lich
Member
Just had a Shaman use Rockbiter on his 8/8 C'Thun, then play Twin Emperors to get both.
Pretty clever move.
Pretty clever move.
I see! That's why Strifecro runs Humility in his list. I wonder why Kolento didn't. Probably because he's Kolento and can win without it.
I'll give it another shot. I already (accidentally) crafted a gold Tirion. I don't really want to invest more dust into Paladin unless it's Vilefin Inquisitioner. There's probably a reason I only have 30ish wins with Uther. I just pulled a Lightlord and thought I'd give it a shot. The golden versions of Yirion, True silver and Lay on Hands look amazing though.
What are you going to be running this cycle?
I want to check out those posts Mil put up, but wanted to mirror this sentiment.
I play Nzoth Pally, but it feels really difficult. The list is really top heavy and around the time I want to play Nzoth, I'm usually too far behind. Nzoth in Priest, while weaker power-wise, feels more natural as my DR minions are coming out at turns 4, 5, and 6. Then at 6-8 I can Nova, EE, Cabal or Entomb to help steal or neutralize board, then Nzoth. Nzoth with Tyrion is so bad ass though.
QUESTION: How does Entomb work with C'thun? If I Entomb and he Doomspeaker(?)s, does C'thun go back into his deck?
toddhunter
Member
IMO, you need 2 Fan of Knives to deal with zoo decks.
This is what I was running last night:
Are the Shadowcasters any good? They seem so slow...kind of like Twilight Summoner.
Yes they are good, you just can't be greedy. Take what you can hit on the board, same with Raptor, but there are so many good targets in your deck that you probably won't feel too bad about what you get.
RecRoulette
Member
Damn, that's really smart.
Oh my gosh, this.
The wait for Tyrande is soul-crushing.
Going to try to get gold Anduin before then.